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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #390 - Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 12:37pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 11:29am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 4:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 12:29pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 12:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 4:20pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 3:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

Israel for Israelis, Arabia for Arabs.

(Not a serious reply to #363...)

And Palestine for Palestinians?

Judea and Samaria are parts of Israel not Arabia.

Are you new to ozpolitcs? That's been done to death: Samaria was erased by the Assyrian Empire c 750 BC, and independent (sovereign) Judea by the Babylonian Empire 600 BC.

Hadrian erased Israel from the map in the first century AD, creating 'Syria-Palestina'

(google)

Following the second Jewish revolt against Rome, in 135 C.E., the Jews were driven out of Jerusalem and thereafter lived throughout the Roman Empire and later the emerging medieval states.

So...Palestine for Palestinians - at least as determined by the UN Palestine Partition Plan?

Always was Israeli land, always will be, eh? Some Jews remained and thus they hold unbroken claim to their land and it is now theirs once again.

"Always was Israeli land" - even after the facts have been shown to you?

I think you are confusing the fact that some Jews have always lived in Palestine (ie since the Davidian conquest of Canaanite land c. 1200BC), with the fact Israel hasn't existed since Hadrian's time - until the UN 's bungled Partition Partiton came into being. For the last 2000 years, (before 1947) most Jews lived in the diaspora countries.

That bungled recreation of a long disappeared Israel is the cause of the terrorism the world has been dealing with ever since, because the Islamic world objected to the confiscation of Muslim land by the UN, and the UNSC wasn't equipped to maintain the peace.

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the arse .. you Jew hating prick.

Note: graps couldn't refute the facts, so he remained silent.

As for "Jew hating"...the facts speak for themselves: Palestine didn't "belong" to Jews, at the time of the implemetation of the bungled UN Partition Plan.

At one point in time .... that doesn't mean they didn't then & don't have now have as much right to be there as any Arab.

Cherry picking the UN partition Plan & ignoring all other history is weak as piss... & I'll say it again you're a jew hating prick.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #392 - Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 11:10am

Gnads wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 12:33pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 5:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 4:58pm:

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Israel did not win the war on Gaza

I don't know about that but the Palestinians haven't won any prizes -

Gaza looks like Hiroshima in 1945. Shocked

The Japanese rose from the ashes. The Palestinians will too.

Israeli Jews are frightened of allowing freedom for Palestinians because there are 70+ years of grievances to be avenged if they are free and able to acquire and use weapons to defend themselves.

The Japanese & the Germans were assisted from the ashes by the western Allies.

Trust you to want to help terrorists Roll Eyes

Er..."the Germans amd Japanese" were "terrorists".

But the Palestinians are backed by international law, while the terrorist Netanyahu wants all of Palestine.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #393 - Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 11:17am

Gnads wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 12:37pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 11:29am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 4:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 12:29pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 12:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 4:20pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 3:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

Israel for Israelis, Arabia for Arabs.

(Not a serious reply to #363...)

And Palestine for Palestinians?

Judea and Samaria are parts of Israel not Arabia.

Are you new to ozpolitcs? That's been done to death: Samaria was erased by the Assyrian Empire c 750 BC, and independent (sovereign) Judea by the Babylonian Empire 600 BC.

Hadrian erased Israel from the map in the first century AD, creating 'Syria-Palestina'

(google)

Following the second Jewish revolt against Rome, in 135 C.E., the Jews were driven out of Jerusalem and thereafter lived throughout the Roman Empire and later the emerging medieval states.

So...Palestine for Palestinians - at least as determined by the UN Palestine Partition Plan?

Always was Israeli land, always will be, eh? Some Jews remained and thus they hold unbroken claim to their land and it is now theirs once again.

"Always was Israeli land" - even after the facts have been shown to you?

I think you are confusing the fact that some Jews have always lived in Palestine (ie since the Davidian conquest of Canaanite land c. 1200BC), with the fact Israel hasn't existed since Hadrian's time - until the UN 's bungled Partition Partiton came into being. For the last 2000 years, (before 1947) most Jews lived in the diaspora countries.

That bungled recreation of a long disappeared Israel is the cause of the terrorism the world has been dealing with ever since, because the Islamic world objected to the confiscation of Muslim land by the UN, and the UNSC wasn't equipped to maintain the peace.

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the arse .. you Jew hating prick.

Note: graps couldn't refute the facts, so he remained silent.

As for "Jew hating"...the facts speak for themselves: Palestine didn't "belong" to Jews, at the time of the implemetation of the bungled UN Partition Plan.

At one point in time .... that doesn't mean they didn't then & don't have now have as much right to be there as any Arab.

Your blind ideology is evident as usual: a right to reside in a country (in this case, Palestine) is not a right to take over a country.

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Cherry picking the UN partition Plan & ignoring all other history is weak as piss... & I'll say it again you're a jew hating prick.

You are confused: the UN voted to partition Palestine, but bungled the partition.

Get back to me when UN res 181 is implemented.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #394 - Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 11:50am

It is now approaching 12 months of the war on Palestinian women and children by Iisraeli Jews.

Israeli Jews have no defeated Hamas.

Israeli Jews have not defeated the women and children of Gaza.

Israeli Palestinians are getting restless as they realize they will be next if Israeli Jews defeat the insurrection in the West Bank.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #397 - Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 2:17pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 2:06pm:

The Fat Lady ain't sung yet....

Would you prefer that Israel get it over with in the last holdout in Gaza? Just give notice that it will be a free fire zone and then flatten the lot and all in it.

Israeli Jews will tear each other apart before the demise of Palestine.

Israeli Jews are disparate people from many regions, most of whom have no connection with the Middle East other than living there after moving from Europe.

When the glue of Judaism dissolves from the heat of internal division, Zionism will disintegrate.

Zionism and Judaism are in a death struggle with each other.

Palestinians will inherit the earth from the river to the sea when the Israeli Jews have moved on as global gypsies.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #398 - Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 2:19pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 2:17pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 2:06pm:

The Fat Lady ain't sung yet....

Would you prefer that Israel get it over with in the last holdout in Gaza? Just give notice that it will be a free fire zone and then flatten the lot and all in it.

Israeli Jews will tear each other apart before the demise of Palestine.

Israeli Jews are disparate people from many regions, most of whom have no connection with the Middle East other than living there after moving from Europe.

When the glue of Judaism dissolves from the heat of internal division, Zionism will disintegrate.

Zionism and Judaism are in a death struggle with each other.

Palestinians will inherit the earth from the river to the sea when the Israeli Jews have moved on as global gypsies.

I can assure you that a great many Israelis are angry about Bibi and his crazy war.

The whole of Israel is on strike right now.

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11870 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza Reply #399 - Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 4:24pm Bibi was never going to get all the hostages back alive. No-one was going to achieve that. Hamas needs to be destroyed. This is going to get worse before it gets better.
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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #400 - Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 4:51pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 4:24pm:

Bibi was never going to get all the hostages back alive. No-one was going to achieve that.

Hamas needs to be destroyed. This is going to get worse before it gets better.

But does Bibi have turn the whole of Gaza into a pile of smoking rubble to win?

The damage is already more than the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

At least 40,000 people are dead.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #401 - Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 5:21pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 4:24pm:

Bibi was never going to get all the hostages back alive. No one was going to achieve that.

Hamas has no problem recruiting at this time.
Hamas needs to be destroyed. This is going to get worse before it gets better.

Hamas will never be destroyed. Barbarous, murderous, genocidal Israeli Jews are the most powerful tool Hamas has for recruitment.

Israeli Jews have murdered up to 100,000 Palestinians who have at least 10 relatives each who will eventually seek retribution.

There are also another 5+ million Palestinian refugees outside Palestine waiting to return. This is one of the reasons Israeli Jews are opposing Palestinian statehood because if 5+ million extra Palestinians enter Palestine the Jews will be outnumbered greatly.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #402 - Sep 5^th, 2024 at 10:53am

tallowood wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 1:36pm:

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Only have peace when they love their children?

And Israel accepts UN res 181 (later, res 242)?

Jeffrey Sachs has stated it correctly: peace will have to be imposed by the UNSC on both Hamas, and Netanyahu who refuses to countenace the Palestinian state.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #403 - Oct 20^th, 2024 at 11:14am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9^th, 2021 at 6:35pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9^th, 2021 at 6:29pm:

Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

No: the Chinese established sovereignty over Tibet during the Qing dynasty (whether by force or otherwise), a sovereignty which has never been contradicted by the UN.

Whereas the UN in effect created a new state on Muslim Palestine, without the agreement of Palestinians (and Muslim Arabs), and - adding insult to injury - the UN failed to implement it's own resolution on the matter, ie UN res. 181.

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It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?

Wrong - it's about law in the (post WW2) age of international law; and the UN failing to implement its own law.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #404 - Apr 17^th, 2025 at 12:07pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9^th, 2021 at 6:35pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9^th, 2021 at 6:29pm:

Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?

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