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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 76530 Gender:	Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza Reply #210 - Jun 4^th, 2021 at 6:41pm freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2021 at 6:39pm: Are you agreeing with me or not? He's calling you a liar FD Why do you lie about everything?
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wombatwoody Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3264 Wombat NSW	Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza Reply #211 - Jun 6^th, 2021 at 10:12pm Aussie wrote on Jun 4^th, 2021 at 5:42pm: That ^^ will 'confuse' Effendi. After all....the State of Israel is a beacon of democracy, the Light on the Hill. He never replies when an inconvenient truth is pointed out. Too right.
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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #212 - Jun 7^th, 2021 at 10:32am

"More than 4,300 rockets were fired at Israel....."

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"Hamas built more than 100 km of tunnels underneath the Gaza strip,
enabling it to move rockets around underground and coordinate mass barrages through centralized command and control. [IDF]"

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Understanding Israel's Destruction of Hamas' "Metro"

by Seth J. Frantzman
The National Interest
June 2, 2021

In eleven days of fighting in mid-May, Israel used precision airstrikes to try to damage Hamas infrastructure in Gaza and handed the militant group a blow that it will take years to recover from.

The goal was not to target large numbers of Hamas low-level fighters, but rather its strategic underground tunnels and infrastructure that enable it to move around masses of rockets that it has used to target Israel. More than 4,300 rockets were fired at Israel and Israel's advanced Iron Dome air defense system intercepted most of the rocket threats to Israel's cities.

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https://www.meforum.org/62414/israel-destruction-of-hamas-metro-set-it-back

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #214 - Jun 7^th, 2021 at 7:26pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 10:32am:

Hamas built more than 100 km of tunnels underneath the Gaza strip,

Who is responsible for the creation of Hamas?

On 7 June, 2005, BBC radio news reported that British officials were to meet the Islamic organisation Hamas at 'low levels... mayors not implicated in the violence'. Most of the report was devoted not to the significance of the meeting (Hamas had agreed to be part of a Palestinian ceasefire) but to an Israeli government official repeatedly complaining about 'dealing with terrorists'. Not a single Palestinian was interviewed.

The report was an example of how secret history is kept secret, for no mention was made of the fact that the Israelis themselves had actually helped to set up and fund Hamas as part of a 'direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative', in the words of a former Middle East CIA official. This as well as and other evidence is in documents obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism.

John Pilger, Freedom Next Time

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Bertie Gold Member Offline Posts: 785 Gender:	Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza Reply #215 - Jun 8^th, 2021 at 10:54am The Romans destroyed the Kingdom of Israel in 70 AD and renamed the conquered province Palestine. From then on to 1947, when Israel was declared, there was NO independent country there.
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Reply #216 - Jun 8^th, 2021 at 11:05am

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 7:26pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 10:32am:

Hamas built more than 100 km of tunnels underneath the Gaza strip,

Who is responsible for the creation of Hamas?

On 7 June, 2005, BBC radio news reported that British officials were to meet the Islamic organisation Hamas at 'low levels... mayors not implicated in the violence'. Most of the report was devoted not to the significance of the meeting (Hamas had agreed to be part of a Palestinian ceasefire) but to an Israeli government official repeatedly complaining about 'dealing with terrorists'. Not a single Palestinian was interviewed.

The report was an example of how secret history is kept secret, for no mention was made of the fact that the Israelis themselves had actually helped to set up and fund Hamas as part of a 'direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative', in the words of a former Middle East CIA official. This as well as and other evidence is in documents obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism.

John Pilger, Freedom Next Time

HUGE jump there from BBC (!) radio show to Israel funding Hamas.

And the jumper? John Pilger. Ah.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #217 - Jun 8^th, 2021 at 9:28pm

Bertie wrote on Jun 8^th, 2021 at 11:05am:

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 7:26pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 10:32am:

Hamas built more than 100 km of tunnels underneath the Gaza strip,

Who is responsible for the creation of Hamas?

On 7 June, 2005, BBC radio news reported that British officials were to meet the Islamic organisation Hamas at 'low levels... mayors not implicated in the violence'. Most of the report was devoted not to the significance of the meeting (Hamas had agreed to be part of a Palestinian ceasefire) but to an Israeli government official repeatedly complaining about 'dealing with terrorists'. Not a single Palestinian was interviewed.

The report was an example of how secret history is kept secret, for no mention was made of the fact that the Israelis themselves had actually helped to set up and fund Hamas as part of a 'direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative', in the words of a former Middle East CIA official. This as well as and other evidence is in documents obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism.

John Pilger, Freedom Next Time

HUGE jump there from BBC (!) radio show to Israel funding Hamas.

And the jumper? John Pilger. Ah.

Still if the report is true, Israel stands condemned for its duplicitous behaviour...and the subsequent murder of children in Gaza.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #218 - Jun 8^th, 2021 at 10:00pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 8^th, 2021 at 9:28pm:

.....Israel stands condemned for its duplicitous behaviour...and the subsequent murder of children in Gaza.

"Israel....its duplicitous behaviour"

thegreatdivide,

IMO, it is people like yourself, who hate truth, and willingly spread misinformation.

How so ???

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the only way to liberate palestine is with jihad

thegreatdivide,

What is jihad ?

Go on, .....define JIHAD, for us all.

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"We will only have peace with [the Arabs] when they love their children more than they hate us..."

- Golda Meir

thegreatdivide,

Who was Golda Meir ???

And WHEN did she say that ?

Go and look it up !

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"Our children are our glory and honor,
they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine,
and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."

"Moderate" Palestinian Authority TV: .....Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #219 - Jun 8^th, 2021 at 10:12pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 8^th, 2021 at 9:28pm:

Bertie wrote on Jun 8^th, 2021 at 11:05am:

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 7:26pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 10:32am:

Hamas built more than 100 km of tunnels underneath the Gaza strip,

Who is responsible for the creation of Hamas?

On 7 June, 2005, BBC radio news reported that British officials were to meet the Islamic organisation Hamas at 'low levels... mayors not implicated in the violence'. Most of the report was devoted not to the significance of the meeting (Hamas had agreed to be part of a Palestinian ceasefire) but to an Israeli government official repeatedly complaining about 'dealing with terrorists'. Not a single Palestinian was interviewed.

The report was an example of how secret history is kept secret, for no mention was made of the fact that the Israelis themselves had actually helped to set up and fund Hamas as part of a 'direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative', in the words of a former Middle East CIA official. This as well as and other evidence is in documents obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism.

John Pilger, Freedom Next Time

HUGE jump there from BBC (!) radio show to Israel funding Hamas.

And the jumper? John Pilger. Ah.

Still if the report is true, Israel stands condemned for its duplicitous behaviour...and the subsequent murder of children in Gaza.

Who started firing rockets? Hamas. Israel fights back - and idiots like you start blabbing about children. You never say ANYTHYTHING, EVER about the opening salvos of Hamas rockets killing innocent Jewish children.

Why?

Because you are vile, dishonest.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #220 - Jun 9^th, 2021 at 6:21pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 8^th, 2021 at 10:00pm:

IMO, it is people like yourself, who hate truth, and willingly spread misinformation.

How so ???

I accept Pilger as an honest journalist. when he conveyed:

"the Israelis themselves had actually helped to set up and fund Hamas as part of a 'direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative', in the words of a former Middle East CIA official".

That is duplicitous behaviour on the part of Israel.

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Go on, .....define JIHAD, for us all.

jihad is mentioned in the Koran: religious war on behalf of the One True God (Allah).

Just like the genocide authorized by the biblical bronze-age 'God', and the "right" to the "Promised Land" is mentioned in the OT.....

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]"We will only have peace with [the Arabs] when they love their children more than they hate us..."[/color][/i][/size]
- Golda Meir

That old hag? Bullies in a position of strength will say those sorts of things.

The problem was wide-spread anti-Semitism; there should have been no need to recreate Israel in Arab lands, but western guilt after the holocaust played a part.

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"Our children are our glory and honor,
they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine,
and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."[/i][/color][/size]

Just shows the depths to which religious fundamentalists stoop, like the Jewish zealot who murdered his own peace-maker PM Rabin.

Your ideology is blinding you to to the faults on both sides, so much for your concerns re "truth".

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Reply #221 - Jun 9^th, 2021 at 6:29pm

Frank wrote on Jun 8^th, 2021 at 10:12pm:

Who started firing rockets? Hamas. Israel fights back - and idiots like you start blabbing about children. You never say ANYTHYTHING, EVER about the opening salvos of Hamas rockets killing innocent Jewish children.

Why?

Because you are vile, dishonest.

Frank, you are losing it, blinded by ideology.

Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs.

And just to let you know, we are all complicit in the deaths of children in war, because we allow the UNSC to continue to be crippled by the veto.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza Reply #222 - Jun 9^th, 2021 at 6:35pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9^th, 2021 at 6:29pm: Israel should never have been recreated in Arab lands, without the consent of the Arabs. Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet. It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?
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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #223 - Jun 9^th, 2021 at 9:22pm

Bertie wrote on Jun 8^th, 2021 at 11:05am:

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 7:26pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 10:32am:

Hamas built more than 100 km of tunnels underneath the Gaza strip,

Who is responsible for the creation of Hamas?

On 7 June, 2005, BBC radio news reported that British officials were to meet the Islamic organisation Hamas at 'low levels... mayors not implicated in the violence'. Most of the report was devoted not to the significance of the meeting (Hamas had agreed to be part of a Palestinian ceasefire) but to an Israeli government official repeatedly complaining about 'dealing with terrorists'. Not a single Palestinian was interviewed.

The report was an example of how secret history is kept secret, for no mention was made of the fact that the Israelis themselves had actually helped to set up and fund Hamas as part of a 'direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative', in the words of a former Middle East CIA official. This as well as and other evidence is in documents obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism.

John Pilger, Freedom Next Time

HUGE jump there from BBC (!) radio show to Israel funding Hamas.

You missed, the Israelis themselves had actually helped to set up and fund Hamas as part of a 'direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative', in the words of a former Middle East CIA official.

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And the jumper? John Pilger. Ah.

John Pilger: A BAFTA - British Academy of Film and Television Arts - award-winning documentary filmmaker.

He's won numerous award for his honest reporting.

Here's the source he used:

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...according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.

Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.

Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official.

https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2002/06/18/Analysis-Hamas-history-tied-to-Israe...

United Press International is as mainstream as The New York Times.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #224 - Jun 10^th, 2021 at 1:36pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 9^th, 2021 at 6:35pm:

Aww... Like the Chinese regime and Tibet.

I have commented in other posts on the extent of Chinese sovereignty as recently as 1900, before China's humiliation by Europeans. Tibet in 1950 was another materially backward culture formerly under Chinese sovereignty (in 1900).

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It's all about ideology... But the Chinese don't have a 'Talmud' on Tibet... Or do they?

Buddhism itself was not offensive to modern Chinese Marxism, Tibet's materially backward culture was. The Dalai Lama himself accepts Chinese sovereignty, though the Chinese don't believe him...they are suspicious because they see how democracy ideologues in collusion with the West behave in HK and Taiwan.

And yes it is about "ideology": 'Western values', 'freedom' hypocrisy, and individual rights delusions, versus Marxist community-oriented outcomes.

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