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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #195 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 4:01pm

rhino wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 10:42am:

We are not comparing religious sects to state law.

In Israel Jewish law overrides secular law.

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your claim here is a lie, Gaza does have access to those things. Stop the lies.

Not a lie at all. What planet are you on?

This is from a UNICEF worker:

In Gaza, there is an acute water crisis. Over 90 percent of households have a tap where clean water once flowed, but today the water is no longer safe to drink. In the last 15 years, the situation in Gaza has gone from bad to worse: only one in 10 households now has direct access to safe water.

https://blogs.unicef.org/blog/searching-clean-water-gaza/

Access to safe drinking water and adequate sanitation facilities is a basic human right, but just one in ten people have direct access to safe water in the Gaza Strip.
https://www.unicef.org/sop/what-we-do/wash-water-sanitation-and-hygiene

Failing Gaza: undrinkable water, no access to toilets and little hope on the horizon
https://www.oxfam.org/en/failing-gaza-undrinkable-water-no-access-toilets-and-li...

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #196 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 4:02pm

Hamas's real position is wickedly misrepresented by Israel and all who are unwilling to recognise it, the Zionist state, as the prime obstacle to peace. As I have said and written on many occasions, if tomorrow Israel said and meant that it was ready for negotiations on the basis of a genuine two-state solution – i.e. one that would see Israel back behind its borders as they were on the eve of the 1967 war with Jerusalem, preferably as an open city, the capital of two states – Hamas's leaders would say, "Let's do the business". And they would say that and mean it because they are not stupid. They know that a genuine and viable two-state solution is still what the vast majority of Palestinians are prepared to settle for. (But for how much longer that will remain the case is a good question). If you would care to do some on-line searching you'll find statements from Hamas leaders in Gaza and Damascus clearly indicating that they would settle for a genuine two-state solution.

There is one and only one way to stop the rockets and that is for Israel to become serious about good faith negotiations to end its occupation in exchange for a formal, full and final peace.

Alan Hart

http://www.alanhart.net/

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #197 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 4:24pm

freediver wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 9:35pm:

Basically, you don't know what democracy is

Additionly, power centres (such as a 'state') are only legitimate if they are accepted by the subjects on which they are imposing. If the Israeli government effectively controls what happens in the Palestinian Territories despite the fact that the Palestinians have no influence over it then it cannot claim that it is a democratic government.

The Israeli government represents 'democracy' for Israelis and brutal dictatorship for Palestinians. In this sense, it is a mechanism used by Israelis to oppress Palestinians.

This shows that the Israeli government is not a democracy. Demoracies are government where subjects exert control over their government. Palestinians are treated as subjects but exert no control.

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49985 At my desk.	Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza Reply #198 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 6:17pm Quote: The Israeli government represents 'democracy' for Israelis So after all that, it turns out that you agree with me. Do you also agree that both Israeli Jews and Muslims have greater freedom than in any other middle eastern country, despite the constant threat of war?
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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #199 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 7:00pm

Frank wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 11:24am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 8:54am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 8:33am:

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:20am:

Sectarian disputes are probably as old as religion itself. Then things settle down and everybody gets on with their lives.

But the brutal Israeli oppression of Palestinians has been going on for decades and decades.

And it will never stop as long as the religious fanatics control Israel.

The Sunni / Shiite animosity began soon after Mohammed's death in 632.

How old were you at the time?

You always switch to idiotic non-sequiturs when your balls are nailed to the floor by reasoning you are not up to and cannot respond to in any other way.
I am sure I am not the only one noticing this about you - nor that you are not the only one who responds to reasoning with the balls-nailed-to-the-floor squirm.

He does have a point, Laugh. Poor old Sore End has his sphincter in a vice.

Sir Reggie got him a good one, you see. The old boy couldn't get his safe word out.

Choose one that doesn't start with a W next time, dear boy. You people can't pronounce it.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39112 Gender:	Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza Reply #200 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 7:03pm Quote: Choose one that doesn't start with a W next time, dear boy. You people can't pronounce it.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49985 At my desk.	Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza Reply #201 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 7:13pm Aussie, do you think 100 million dead Jews would be an acceptable price to pay for your scheme to wipe Israel off the map of the middle east?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39112 Gender:	Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza Reply #202 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 7:16pm freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 7:13pm: Aussie, do you think 100 million dead Jews would be an acceptable price to pay for your scheme to wipe Israel off the map of the middle east? You are confused Effendi. Wrong thread?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49985 At my desk.	Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza Reply #203 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 9:19pm You want to make this thread about your hatred as well. Fine by me. Do you think that 100 million dead Jews would be an acceptable price to pay for your scheme to wipe Israel off the map of the middle east?
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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #204 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 9:44pm

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 9:19pm:

You want to make this thread about your hatred as well. Fine by me.

Do you think that 100 million dead Jews would be an acceptable price to pay for your scheme to wipe Israel off the map of the middle east?

The population of Israel just rose by a thousand percent, leftards.

How many Boongs in Ayer's Rock do you want to kill, Effende?

Don't answer that.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #205 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 9:59pm

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 9:19pm:

You want to make this thread about your hatred as well. Fine by me.

Do you think that 100 million dead Jews would be an acceptable price to pay for your scheme to wipe Israel off the map of the middle east?

If you want the world's Jewish population to grow to 100+ million from the present ~15 million you should spend less time politicking and propagandizing on Ozpolitic and more time procreating.

It will take you ~200 years at a growth rate of around 1% and very much longer at the current rate of 0.63%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country

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From 2005 to 2018, the world's Jewish population grew on average 0.63% annually (while world population grew 1.1% annually in the same period).[2] This increase primarily reflected the rapid growth of Haredi and some Orthodox sectors, who are becoming a growing proportion of Jews.[11]

The biggest fear Israel has is the growth of Haredi and some Orthodox sectors which will dilute the economy and raise costs for the non-orthodox Jews.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #206 - Jun 4^th, 2021 at 5:29pm

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 6:17pm:

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The Israeli government represents 'democracy' for Israelis

So after all that, it turns out that you agree with me.

I put that in inverted commas, didn't you notice? What do you think that means?

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Muslims have greater freedom than in any other middle eastern country

Tell that to these people:

Al-Araqib is one of 35 unrecognized Bedouin villages in the Negev desert in southern Israel, which means Israel refuses to provide residents with connections to the national water and electricity grids, provide them with health and educational services, or any basic infrastructure. Over the years, the village has become a symbol of the struggle against dispossession of Bedouin from their land, and for state recognition of Bedouin villages in the Negev.

Despite being citizens of Israel that are supposed to enjoy equal rights, the Israeli government, the Israel Land Authority, and the Jewish National Fund have been waging a slow and methodical war of attrition against Bedouin residents of Al-Araqib in an effort to expel them and plant a forest atop their land.

https://www.972mag.com/this-bedouin-village-has-been-demolished-by-israel-120-ti...

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39112 Gender:	Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza Reply #207 - Jun 4^th, 2021 at 5:42pm That ^^ will 'confuse' Effendi. After all....the State of Israel is a beacon of democracy, the Light on the Hill. He never replies when an inconvenient truth is pointed out.
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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza Reply #208 - Jun 4^th, 2021 at 5:58pm Aussie wrote on Jun 4^th, 2021 at 5:42pm: That ^^ will 'confuse' Effendi. After all....the State of Israel is a beacon of democracy, the Light on the Hill. He never replies when an inconvenient truth is pointed out. Effendi is a title for an important ARAB!
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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #209 - Jun 4^th, 2021 at 6:39pm

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 4^th, 2021 at 5:29pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 6:17pm:

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The Israeli government represents 'democracy' for Israelis

So after all that, it turns out that you agree with me.

I put that in inverted commas, didn't you notice? What do you think that means?

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Muslims have greater freedom than in any other middle eastern country

Tell that to these people:

Al-Araqib is one of 35 unrecognized Bedouin villages in the Negev desert in southern Israel, which means Israel refuses to provide residents with connections to the national water and electricity grids, provide them with health and educational services, or any basic infrastructure. Over the years, the village has become a symbol of the struggle against dispossession of Bedouin from their land, and for state recognition of Bedouin villages in the Negev.

Despite being citizens of Israel that are supposed to enjoy equal rights, the Israeli government, the Israel Land Authority, and the Jewish National Fund have been waging a slow and methodical war of attrition against Bedouin residents of Al-Araqib in an effort to expel them and plant a forest atop their land.

https://www.972mag.com/this-bedouin-village-has-been-demolished-by-israel-120-ti...

Are you agreeing with me or not?

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