Frank wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 10:04pm:


They can claim that all they want. The reality is different.


Before the advent of the modern state, Jewish communities were mostly ruled by rabbis who employed arbitrary and cruel methods as bad as those employed by totalitarian regimes. The dearest wish of the current Jewish fundamentalists in Israel is to restore this state of affairs.

In Rami Rosen's November 15, 1996 Haaretz Magazine article, titled "History of a Denial," Rosen interviewed several distinguished historians. He relied primarily upon the views of Professor Yisrael Bartal, the head of the department of Jewish history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. Bartal began his statement:

Zionism has described the diaspora Jews as weak
people who desire peace and abhor every form of
violence. It is astonishing to discover that orthodox
Jews are also providing similar descriptions. They
describe past Jewish society as one not interested in
anything other than the Halacha and the fulfillment of
the commandments. The entire Jewish literature
produced in eastern Europe, however, teaches us
that the reverse is true. Even in the nineteenth
century the descriptions of how Jews lived are filled
with violent battles that often took place in the
synagogues, of Jews beating other Jews in the
streets or spitting on them, of the frequent cases of
pulling out of beards and of numbers of murders.

A check of main facts of the [Jewish] historiography
of the last 1500 years shows that the picture is
different from the one previously shown to us. It
includes massacres of Christians [by Jews]; mock
repetitions of the crucifixion of Jesus that usually
took place on Purim; cruel murders within the family;
liquidation of informers, often done for religious
reasons by secret rabbinical courts, which issued a
sentence of "pursuer" and appointed secret
executioners; assassinations of adulterous women in
synagogues and/or the cutting of their [the women's]
noses by command of the rabbis.

Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel, by Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky

Quote:


https://www.haaretz.com/1.4968724

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Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 10:31pm:


You might like that to say that to these Christians:

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them

https://www.religionnewsblog.com/19900/israel-2

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 10:23pm:


And I can show many other places where Muslims have condemned it.

Sectarian disputes are probably as old as religion itself. Then things settle down and everybody gets on with their lives.

But the brutal Israeli oppression of Palestinians has been going on for decades and decades.

And it will never stop as long as the religious fanatics control Israel.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 8:33am:


How old were you at the time?

Seriously, what sort of completely ignorant fool compares the Saudi regime with Israel?

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:20am:

 

Because Hamas, Hezollah, Iran have nuffi' do fo wiv Islamic fanaticism.  Your solution is to allow Israel to be swamped by Muslim reconquista and to hell with the Jews. A very Islamic position.


I agree, it's unfortunate that Israel's last occupiers were Muslims. But I also think you would be unhappy about Israel existing anywhere. Every part of the Earth has been occupied by someone since the Romans destroyed the last kingdom of Israel and scattered the Jews. That's what the UN resolution creating Israel recognised - if not there, where?

Jordan was the designated Arab country and the West Bank would still be under their occupation and Gaza under Egypt if they didn't attack Israel AGAIN in 1967 - and didn't lose AGAIN. They were not happy with an even smaller Israel, they wanted to wipe it out.  That's what Islam demands of them (there is zero other reason for not leaving Israel alone) and that's  what Hames, Hezbollah and Iran are still working on - and you are on their side.

Well, nuts to that.