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ACT pushing forward
May 24^th, 2021 at 2:07pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/canberrans-get-free-registration-for-elec...

Canberrans who buy an electric vehicle can now get two years' free registration under an ACT government plan to get more zero-emission cars on the road.

Free registration is available to Canberrans who buy a new or second-hand zero-emissions vehicle from today until mid-2024.

Stamp duty also free. Wonder how much of a drop that ends up being

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Re: ACT pushing forward
Reply #1 - May 24^th, 2021 at 3:38pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 2:07pm:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/canberrans-get-free-registration-for-elec...

Canberrans who buy an electric vehicle can now get two years' free registration under an ACT government plan to get more zero-emission cars on the road.

Free registration is available to Canberrans who buy a new or second-hand zero-emissions vehicle from today until mid-2024.

Stamp duty also free. Wonder how much of a drop that ends up being

More subsidies for the well-off. So ACT.

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Re: ACT pushing forward
Reply #2 - May 24^th, 2021 at 3:41pm

Frank wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 3:38pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 2:07pm:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/canberrans-get-free-registration-for-elec...

Canberrans who buy an electric vehicle can now get two years' free registration under an ACT government plan to get more zero-emission cars on the road.

Free registration is available to Canberrans who buy a new or second-hand zero-emissions vehicle from today until mid-2024.

Stamp duty also free. Wonder how much of a drop that ends up being

More subsidies for the well-off. So ACT.

Most educated state in the country

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21085 Gender:	Re: ACT pushing forward Reply #3 - May 24^th, 2021 at 4:05pm Tell us that when taxes go up for funding roads etc.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: ACT pushing forward Reply #4 - May 24^th, 2021 at 4:40pm lee wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 4:05pm: Tell us that when taxes go up for funding roads etc. Probably won't, since I won't give a poo about paying more tax in return for services.
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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Re: ACT pushing forward Reply #5 - May 25^th, 2021 at 7:00am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 3:41pm: Most educated state in the country
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: ACT pushing forward Reply #6 - May 25^th, 2021 at 9:49am Neferti wrote on May 25^th, 2021 at 7:00am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 3:41pm: Most educated state in the country http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8nIgVTkZF_g/UTOhOkP5vkI/AAAAAAAAA_8/DnOxph8S6Lg/s1600/... Indeed, just don';t confuse lack of education with common sense.
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Re: ACT pushing forward
Reply #7 - May 25^th, 2021 at 10:03am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 3:41pm:

Frank wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 3:38pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 2:07pm:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/canberrans-get-free-registration-for-elec...

Canberrans who buy an electric vehicle can now get two years' free registration under an ACT government plan to get more zero-emission cars on the road.

Free registration is available to Canberrans who buy a new or second-hand zero-emissions vehicle from today until mid-2024.

Stamp duty also free. Wonder how much of a drop that ends up being

More subsidies for the well-off. So ACT.

Most educated state in the country

Er.... not a State.... so much for your 'education'.

"The overseas experience is clear on this point: any cuts to EV subsidies quickly lead to a significant drop-off in the demand for EVs.

Let’s mention here that these subsidies are highly regressive – it is overwhelmingly high-income owners who purchase EVs, often as second cars. (When a long trip is planned, it is the petrol/diesel car that’s used – the owners aren’t that stupid.)
...
At most, EVs will save between 6 and 10 tons of emissions, after the construction of the vehicle is taken into account.

And note here that most batteries are produced in China using coal as the energy source. This means that one quarter of the typical emissions of a petrol/diesel-powered car are generated at this point for EVs with China-sourced batteries.

Taking the average subsidies to EVs, it turns out that the cost of abatement for EVs can be up to 120 times higher than what can be achieved in the electricity sector. As Faith Birol, head of the International Energy Agency (and no climate sceptic) has stated: ‘If you think you can save the climate with electric cars, you’re completely wrong.’

The bottom line is that EVs are a road to nowhere at this point of time. They may give their high-income owners a sense of smug satisfaction that they are doing right by the planet, but it’s just a grift by another name."

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Re: ACT pushing forward
Reply #8 - May 25^th, 2021 at 10:40am

Frank wrote on May 25^th, 2021 at 10:03am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 3:41pm:

Frank wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 3:38pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 2:07pm:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/canberrans-get-free-registration-for-elec...

Canberrans who buy an electric vehicle can now get two years' free registration under an ACT government plan to get more zero-emission cars on the road.

Free registration is available to Canberrans who buy a new or second-hand zero-emissions vehicle from today until mid-2024.

Stamp duty also free. Wonder how much of a drop that ends up being

More subsidies for the well-off. So ACT.

Most educated state in the country

Er.... not a State.... so much for your 'education'.

"The overseas experience is clear on this point: any cuts to EV subsidies quickly lead to a significant drop-off in the demand for EVs.

Let’s mention here that these subsidies are highly regressive – it is overwhelmingly high-income owners who purchase EVs, often as second cars. (When a long trip is planned, it is the petrol/diesel car that’s used – the owners aren’t that stupid.)
...
At most, EVs will save between 6 and 10 tons of emissions, after the construction of the vehicle is taken into account.

And note here that most batteries are produced in China using coal as the energy source. This means that one quarter of the typical emissions of a petrol/diesel-powered car are generated at this point for EVs with China-sourced batteries.

Taking the average subsidies to EVs, it turns out that the cost of abatement for EVs can be up to 120 times higher than what can be achieved in the electricity sector. As Faith Birol, head of the International Energy Agency (and no climate sceptic) has stated: ‘If you think you can save the climate with electric cars, you’re completely wrong.’

The bottom line is that EVs are a road to nowhere at this point of time. They may give their high-income owners a sense of smug satisfaction that they are doing right by the planet, but it’s just a grift by another name."

State/territory its all the same, pedantism.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Re: ACT pushing forward
Reply #9 - May 25^th, 2021 at 10:41am

Frank wrote on May 25^th, 2021 at 10:03am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 3:41pm:

Frank wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 3:38pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 2:07pm:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/canberrans-get-free-registration-for-elec...

Canberrans who buy an electric vehicle can now get two years' free registration under an ACT government plan to get more zero-emission cars on the road.

Free registration is available to Canberrans who buy a new or second-hand zero-emissions vehicle from today until mid-2024.

Stamp duty also free. Wonder how much of a drop that ends up being

More subsidies for the well-off. So ACT.

Most educated state in the country

Er.... not a State.... so much for your 'education'.

"The overseas experience is clear on this point: any cuts to EV subsidies quickly lead to a significant drop-off in the demand for EVs.

Let’s mention here that these subsidies are highly regressive – it is overwhelmingly high-income owners who purchase EVs, often as second cars. (When a long trip is planned, it is the petrol/diesel car that’s used – the owners aren’t that stupid.)
...
At most, EVs will save between 6 and 10 tons of emissions, after the construction of the vehicle is taken into account.

And note here that most batteries are produced in China using coal as the energy source. This means that one quarter of the typical emissions of a petrol/diesel-powered car are generated at this point for EVs with China-sourced batteries.

Taking the average subsidies to EVs, it turns out that the cost of abatement for EVs can be up to 120 times higher than what can be achieved in the electricity sector. As Faith Birol, head of the International Energy Agency (and no climate sceptic) has stated: ‘If you think you can save the climate with electric cars, you’re completely wrong.’

The bottom line is that EVs are a road to nowhere at this point of time. They may give their high-income owners a sense of smug satisfaction that they are doing right by the planet, but it’s just a grift by another name."

Is Judith Sloan a non biased view?

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: ACT pushing forward Reply #10 - May 25^th, 2021 at 10:41am Or for that matter anyone from the IPA?
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Re: ACT pushing forward
Reply #11 - May 25^th, 2021 at 1:02pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 25^th, 2021 at 10:40am:

Frank wrote on May 25^th, 2021 at 10:03am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 3:41pm:

Frank wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 3:38pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 2:07pm:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/canberrans-get-free-registration-for-elec...

Canberrans who buy an electric vehicle can now get two years' free registration under an ACT government plan to get more zero-emission cars on the road.

Free registration is available to Canberrans who buy a new or second-hand zero-emissions vehicle from today until mid-2024.

Stamp duty also free. Wonder how much of a drop that ends up being

More subsidies for the well-off. So ACT.

Most educated state in the country

Er.... not a State.... so much for your 'education'.

"The overseas experience is clear on this point: any cuts to EV subsidies quickly lead to a significant drop-off in the demand for EVs.

Let’s mention here that these subsidies are highly regressive – it is overwhelmingly high-income owners who purchase EVs, often as second cars. (When a long trip is planned, it is the petrol/diesel car that’s used – the owners aren’t that stupid.)
...
At most, EVs will save between 6 and 10 tons of emissions, after the construction of the vehicle is taken into account.

And note here that most batteries are produced in China using coal as the energy source. This means that one quarter of the typical emissions of a petrol/diesel-powered car are generated at this point for EVs with China-sourced batteries.

Taking the average subsidies to EVs, it turns out that the cost of abatement for EVs can be up to 120 times higher than what can be achieved in the electricity sector. As Faith Birol, head of the International Energy Agency (and no climate sceptic) has stated: ‘If you think you can save the climate with electric cars, you’re completely wrong.’

The bottom line is that EVs are a road to nowhere at this point of time. They may give their high-income owners a sense of smug satisfaction that they are doing right by the planet, but it’s just a grift by another name."

State/territory its all the same, pedantism.

Not at all. Territory governments have limited powers compared to States. The ACT and NT euthanasia laws could be overturned by the Commonwealth. Such State law cannot.
The territories have a different constitutional status as they are not parties to the Federation. They are just big Local Governments with a little bit of extra but making sure they are not the same as the States. That's why half a million Tasmanians gave 10 senators while 400 thousand Canberrans have two.
The ACT Police is part of the AFP while State police forces are not. And so on.

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Re: ACT pushing forward
Reply #12 - May 25^th, 2021 at 1:08pm

KPrime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 25^th, 2021 at 10:41am:

Frank wrote on May 25^th, 2021 at 10:03am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 3:41pm:

Frank wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 3:38pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 2:07pm:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/canberrans-get-free-registration-for-elec...

Canberrans who buy an electric vehicle can now get two years' free registration under an ACT government plan to get more zero-emission cars on the road.

Free registration is available to Canberrans who buy a new or second-hand zero-emissions vehicle from today until mid-2024.

Stamp duty also free. Wonder how much of a drop that ends up being

More subsidies for the well-off. So ACT.

Most educated state in the country

Er.... not a State.... so much for your 'education'.

"The overseas experience is clear on this point: any cuts to EV subsidies quickly lead to a significant drop-off in the demand for EVs.

Let’s mention here that these subsidies are highly regressive – it is overwhelmingly high-income owners who purchase EVs, often as second cars. (When a long trip is planned, it is the petrol/diesel car that’s used – the owners aren’t that stupid.)
...
At most, EVs will save between 6 and 10 tons of emissions, after the construction of the vehicle is taken into account.

And note here that most batteries are produced in China using coal as the energy source. This means that one quarter of the typical emissions of a petrol/diesel-powered car are generated at this point for EVs with China-sourced batteries.

Taking the average subsidies to EVs, it turns out that the cost of abatement for EVs can be up to 120 times higher than what can be achieved in the electricity sector. As Faith Birol, head of the International Energy Agency (and no climate sceptic) has stated: ‘If you think you can save the climate with electric cars, you’re completely wrong.’

The bottom line is that EVs are a road to nowhere at this point of time. They may give their high-income owners a sense of smug satisfaction that they are doing right by the planet, but it’s just a grift by another name."

Is Judith Sloan a non biased view?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, the only non-biased view is yours and whatever you agree with.

EV subsidies favour those who can afford EVs. That is a fact, no matter who states it. Only idiots dismiss facts because they are stated by someone whose opinions they otherwise disagree with. Confusing a fact with an opinion is stupid. Don't do it.

Also note:

The Key to Electric Cars Is Batteries. One Chinese Firm Dominates the Industry.
Beijing built the world’s largest EV market, then pressured foreign car makers to use its batteries

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Re: ACT pushing forward
Reply #13 - May 25^th, 2021 at 2:08pm

Frank wrote on May 25^th, 2021 at 1:08pm:

KPrime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 25^th, 2021 at 10:41am:

Frank wrote on May 25^th, 2021 at 10:03am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 3:41pm:

Frank wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 3:38pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2021 at 2:07pm:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/canberrans-get-free-registration-for-elec...

Canberrans who buy an electric vehicle can now get two years' free registration under an ACT government plan to get more zero-emission cars on the road.

Free registration is available to Canberrans who buy a new or second-hand zero-emissions vehicle from today until mid-2024.

Stamp duty also free. Wonder how much of a drop that ends up being

More subsidies for the well-off. So ACT.

Most educated state in the country

Er.... not a State.... so much for your 'education'.

"The overseas experience is clear on this point: any cuts to EV subsidies quickly lead to a significant drop-off in the demand for EVs.

Let’s mention here that these subsidies are highly regressive – it is overwhelmingly high-income owners who purchase EVs, often as second cars. (When a long trip is planned, it is the petrol/diesel car that’s used – the owners aren’t that stupid.)
...
At most, EVs will save between 6 and 10 tons of emissions, after the construction of the vehicle is taken into account.

And note here that most batteries are produced in China using coal as the energy source. This means that one quarter of the typical emissions of a petrol/diesel-powered car are generated at this point for EVs with China-sourced batteries.

Taking the average subsidies to EVs, it turns out that the cost of abatement for EVs can be up to 120 times higher than what can be achieved in the electricity sector. As Faith Birol, head of the International Energy Agency (and no climate sceptic) has stated: ‘If you think you can save the climate with electric cars, you’re completely wrong.’

The bottom line is that EVs are a road to nowhere at this point of time. They may give their high-income owners a sense of smug satisfaction that they are doing right by the planet, but it’s just a grift by another name."

Is Judith Sloan a non biased view?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, the only non-biased view is yours and whatever you agree with.

EV subsidies favour those who can afford EVs. That is a fact, no matter who states it. Only idiots dismiss facts because they are stated by someone whose opinions they otherwise disagree with. Confusing a fact with an opinion is stupid. Don't do it.

Also note:

The Key to Electric Cars Is Batteries. One Chinese Firm Dominates the Industry.
Beijing built the world’s largest EV market, then pressured foreign car makers to use its batteries

No the non biased view is one in which you don't start from a presupposed position to fit who funds your think tank and then publish to suit them.

Try looking up the IPA one day

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21085 Gender:	Re: ACT pushing forward Reply #14 - May 25^th, 2021 at 2:25pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 25^th, 2021 at 2:08pm: Try looking up the IPA one day You mean they are like the Evatt Institute, the Australia Institute?
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