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Reply #45 - Apr 27th, 2021 at 12:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2021 at 9:52pm:
It's basically written on the graph Lee. Did you check that that what you were posting even made sense before posting it?



Is it? What did I miss? That they used a baseline period of 1979-1983? That's when satellite coverage started. It doesn't change anomalies; well that's what NASA/NOAA tells us. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #46 - Apr 27th, 2021 at 6:08pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 26th, 2021 at 8:45pm:
https://www.greenfacts.org/en/impacts-global-warming/l-2/index.htm


"The President of the World Bank Group, is very clear in its foreword of the report : The explored consequences of an increase of the global earth temperature of 4°C are indeed devastating. "

From the report -

"For this report, results for RCP8.5 (Moss et al. 2010) from the new IPCC AR5 CMIP5 (Coupled Model Intercomparison Proj-ect; Taylor, Stouffer, & Meehl 2012) climate projections have been analyzed. Figure 24 shows the full range of increase of global mean temperature over the 21st century, relative to the 1980–2000 period from 24 models driven by the RCP8.5 scenario, with those eight models highlighted that produce a mean warming of 4–5°C above preindustrial temperatures averaged over the period 2080–2100"

"RCP8.5 was intended to explore an unlikely high-risk future2. But it has been widely used by some experts, policymakers and the media as something else entirely: as a likely ‘business as usual’ outcome. A sizeable portion of the literature on climate impacts refers to RCP8.5 as business as usual, implying that it is probable in the absence of stringent climate mitigation. The media then often amplifies this message, sometimes without communicating the nuances. This results in further confusion regarding probable emissions outcomes, because many climate researchers are not familiar with the details of these scenarios in the energy-modelling literature."

Zeke Hausfather in  Nature - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00177-3


Just more alarmist claptrap.
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Re: The EU invites St Greta but not William Nordhaus
Reply #47 - Apr 27th, 2021 at 6:26pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 27th, 2021 at 12:59pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2021 at 9:52pm:
It's basically written on the graph Lee. Did you check that that what you were posting even made sense before posting it?



Is it? What did I miss? That they used a baseline period of 1979-1983? That's when satellite coverage started. It doesn't change anomalies; well that's what NASA/NOAA tells us. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


You are full of crap Lee. You are whining that the measured sea surface temperature change does not match the predicted atmospheric temperature change.
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Reply #48 - Apr 27th, 2021 at 6:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2021 at 6:26pm:
You are whining that the measured sea surface temperature change does not match the predicted atmospheric temperature change.


You have comprehension issues don't you?

lee wrote on Apr 26th, 2021 at 1:53pm:
Zeke Hausfather and HadCRUt use Marine Air Temperature in their model as oceans cover most of the erath and that is where all that "missing heat" was slated to go.


Further details because you obviously need them. They use Marine Air Temperature as a proxy for Sea Surface Temperature.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #49 - Apr 27th, 2021 at 6:49pm
 
You are full of crap Lee. Your temperature graph has SST written on it - see surface temperature. You are whining that the measured sea surface temperature change does not match the predicted atmospheric temperature change.

BTW, did I mention that you are full of crap?
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Reply #50 - Apr 27th, 2021 at 6:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2021 at 6:49pm:
Your temperature graph has SST written on it - see surface temperature. You are whining that the measured sea surface temperature change does not match the predicted atmospheric temperature change.



You are just whining because you can't see the truth of it. And it shows. Ad homs top AND bottom. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #51 - Apr 27th, 2021 at 6:57pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 27th, 2021 at 6:37pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2021 at 6:26pm:
You are whining that the measured sea surface temperature change does not match the predicted atmospheric temperature change.


You have comprehension issues don't you?

lee wrote on Apr 26th, 2021 at 1:53pm:
Zeke Hausfather and HadCRUt use Marine Air Temperature in their model as oceans cover most of the erath and that is where all that "missing heat" was slated to go.


Further details because you obviously need them. They use Marine Air Temperature as a proxy for Sea Surface Temperature.  Roll Eyes


Another of the impacts is that ocean covered areas will be cooler. the 4 to 6 degree average is reached by land areas getting up to 10 degree increases.
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Reply #52 - Apr 27th, 2021 at 7:11pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 27th, 2021 at 6:57pm:
Another of the impacts is that ocean covered areas will be cooler. the 4 to 6 degree average is reached by land areas getting up to 10 degree increases.



Using World Bank RCP8.5?

BTW - here is the RSS which is supposedly superior to UAH satellite data compared to climate models -

"To illustrate this last problem, we show several plots below.  Each of these plots has a time series of TLT temperature anomalies using a reference period of 1979-2008.  In each plot, the thick black line are the results from the most recent version of the RSS satellite dataset.  The yellow band shows the 5% to 95% envelope for the results of 33 CMIP-5 model simulations (19 different models, many with multiple realizations) that are intended to simulate Earth's Climate over the 20th Century.  For the time period before 2005, the models were forced with historical values of greenhouse gases, volcanic aerosols, and solar output.  After 2005, estimated projections of these forcings were used. If the models, as a whole, were doing an acceptable job of simulating the past, then the observations would mostly lie within the yellow band."

 
http://images.remss.com/figures/climate/RSS_Model_TS_compare_globev4.png

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Fig. 1.  Global (70S to 80N) Mean TLT Anomaly plotted as a function of time.  The black line is the time series for the  RSS V4.0 MSU/AMSU atmosperhic temperature dataset.  The yellow band is the 5% to 95% range of output from CMIP-5 climate simulations.  The mean value of each time series average from 1979-1984 is set to zero so the changes over time can be more easily seen.  Note that after 1998, the observations are likely to be in the lower part of the model distribution, indicating that there is a small discrepancy between the model predictions and the satelllite observations.(All time series have been smoothed to remove variabilty on time scales shorter than 6 months.)

Notice how divergent the series is becoming. The models barely scraping into the lower bounds.
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Reply #53 - Apr 27th, 2021 at 7:14pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 27th, 2021 at 6:57pm:
Another of the impacts is that ocean covered areas will be cooler.



CO2 warming AND cooling? KOOL.
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Reply #54 - Apr 27th, 2021 at 7:23pm
 
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Reply #55 - Apr 27th, 2021 at 9:24pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 27th, 2021 at 6:57pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2021 at 6:49pm:
Your temperature graph has SST written on it - see surface temperature. You are whining that the measured sea surface temperature change does not match the predicted atmospheric temperature change.



You are just whining because you can't see the truth of it. And it shows. Ad homs top AND bottom. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Just pointing out that as usual, you are full of crap Lee. The predictions look pretty good to me. One whole degree in just over 40 years.

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Now what sort of fool would try to prove the models were wrong using measured data ending in 2013? Did you really expect anyone to take you seriously?

Also, I just wanted you to know, you are full of crap.
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Reply #56 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 12:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2021 at 9:24pm:
Just pointing out that as usual, you are full of crap Lee. The predictions look pretty good to me. One whole degree in just over 40 years.



Have a look at the remss site I posted to Dna. They have picked the best 50 and they are diverging.

http://images.remss.com/figures/climate/RSS_Model_TS_compare_globev4.png

BTW - Why don't you like the NOAA data?
Year          Temp     Rank       
1983      0.43°C      11

2021      0.85°C      32

That's 1 month figures

12 month figures -

1983      0.28°C      6

2021      0.88°C      36

But you just post schitt you know nothing about. Why is that?

BTW - Why have you gone back to your 2013 shlock after being shown that the SST was correct? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #57 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 12:57pm
 
BTW - I noticed how you lied again.

NASA - 1983 0.31C   2020 1.02C Difference 0.71C not 0.86 as claimed.

freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2021 at 6:02pm:
Oh look, 0.86 degree temperature rise since 1983 - pretty much bang in the middle of those predictions.



freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2021 at 9:24pm:
One whole degree in just over 40 years.


Another lie - NASA 1981 0.32C 2020 1.02C Difference 0.70C

Why do alarmists have this compulsion to lie all the time? Roll Eyes

Edit: Here is the remss image -

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You notice the only time the models have been close is during Los Ninos. Wink
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Reply #58 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 6:26pm
 
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BTW - I noticed how you lied again.

NASA - 1983 0.31C   2020 1.02C Difference 0.71C not 0.86 as claimed.


You are full of crap Lee. It is bleeding obvious where I got the number from.

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Reply #59 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 6:50pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2021 at 6:26pm:
It is bleeding obvious where I got the number from.



It wasn't from that graph you posted.

You know those bubbles on the page, they give you the temperatures.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

It is an interactive. You just have to run the mouse over them. Roll Eyes
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