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Reply #405 - Jan 15th, 2024 at 9:14am
 
Western civilisation “allows changes of government without bloodshed”, as well as “civil rights, economic benefits, religious toleration, and political and artistic freedom”; whereas most traditional cultures “feature domestic repression, economic backwardness, endemic disease, religious fanaticism and severe artistic constraints”.
Roger Sandall.

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Reply #406 - Jan 15th, 2024 at 11:12am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 15th, 2024 at 9:14am:
Western civilisation “allows changes of government without bloodshed”, as well as “civil rights, economic benefits, religious toleration, and political and artistic freedom”; whereas most traditional cultures “feature domestic repression, economic backwardness, endemic disease, religious fanaticism and severe artistic constraints”.
Roger Sandall.


No reply to #404? 

Just a rehash of someone else's  diversionary gibberish, as above.

To repeat, well-being and security for all is the necessary and fundamental goal of good governance and good law

Which is not the goal of US law (supporting "Western culture/civilization"), as evidenced by the endless wars and entrenched poverty around the globe, during this era of US global hegemony with the US dollar as world's reserve currency. 



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Reply #407 - Jan 21st, 2024 at 5:43pm
 

A wonderful defence and praise of civilisation



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Reply #408 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:40am
 
Modern Western civilization has extraordinary empathy compared to its power. This is also arguably its greatest weakness.

With the nuclear bomb, America could have subjugated every nation on Earth with ease. Hitler and Stalin would certainly have done so.

Instead, America helped rebuild Germany and Japan!

There is no historical precedent for a nation with so much power helping, rather than destroying, its defeated enemies.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1773477116979646691
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Reply #409 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:28am
 
Frank wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:40am:
Modern Western civilization has extraordinary empathy compared to its power. This is also arguably its greatest weakness.


I'm reminded of potential refugees crying: "We want a fair go" ... obviously they'd learned that the Aussie culture included that particular bit of "empathy", and decided to use it against us. But after being permitted to settle here, they then proceed to tell us: "Australians have no culture"

Quite cheeky of them, since they expect Western Culture, the Aussie culture, and Western civilization to protect them, while they go about continuing their own foreign cultures without interference under a "Western" multiculturalism policy








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Reply #410 - Mar 30th, 2024 at 11:26pm
 
North America for Western Europe (Celtic)
Sahul:Australia for Eastern Europe (Slavic)
Oceania for Southern Europe (Latin)
...what remains of 'Europe' is for Northern Europe (Scandi)
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Reply #411 - Apr 20th, 2024 at 9:26pm
 
Kant celebrations everywhere
Many events in Germany will commemorate Kant and his legacy in 2024, to mark 300 years since his birth. The Bundeskunsthalle in Bonn, for example, has been hosting a Kant exhibition named "Unresolved Issues."

A major academic conference will be held in Berlin in June, followed by an International Kant Congress in Bonn in the fall, which was originally planned for Kaliningrad but cannot take place there due to the Russian war of aggression against Ukraine.

Kant's grave adorns the back wall of Königsberg Cathedral. As one of the few historical buildings, the Gothic church survived the bombings of World War II and the subsequent wave of demolitions in the Soviet state.

Indeed, Kant's impact on German legal history has been profound, but the rise of nationalism prevented his work from being the dominant force in German political thought until after World War II.

Now, 300 years on from his birth, Kant is still considered a prominent thinker, one capable of inspiring political movements to this day.
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Reply #412 - Jul 10th, 2024 at 10:11pm
 

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough just a few weeks back:

I undersold him when I said he was cogent. He's far beyond cogent. In fact, I think he's better than he's ever been intellectually, analytically... Start your tape right now, because I'm about to tell you the truth. And f-you if you can't handle the truth. This version of Biden intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever.

Watergate colossus Bob Woodward is now calling for "very aggressive" "reporting" to get to the bottom of what went wrong here. How did paragons of integrity such as Joe Scarborough wind up spouting in public what less rarefied media cultures call "bollocks on stilts"? Could it possibly be those "real killers" OJ was looking for?

All Bob's chums' previous aggressive reporting shows that Biden was still "far beyond cogent" as recently as last month's G7, when civil servants from multiple EU countries disclosed that Joe doesn't attend any of the meetings except one, where he leaves it to his entourage to do all the talking. But, as they could only source such comments to six of the G7 members, the American media were unable to confirm it to their famously rigorous standards and so dismissed it as "disinformation".

Now, though, Slate's Jill Filipovic is doing the aggressively aggressive reporting Bob Woodward has demanded:

One theory goes that the Biden team and perhaps even the broader Democratic Party have long known that the president is in no condition to run and have taken great pains to conceal that fact. A second theory is that Biden's family is at fault and that a scheming wife is Lady Macbeth–ing his refusal to drop out. Another is that Biden's difficulties are largely an invention of a cynical media who are determined to take down a good president because Donald Trump is better for clicks and ratings. And yet another is that reporters knew or should have known about Biden's decline this whole time and have been refusing to report it out of liberal bias or perhaps professional incompetence.

Well, we can certainly dismiss that last one, can't we? But Jill reckons we may be over-thinking the whole business:

Something far more mundane might actually be the case: Most people—staff, family, the media—were doing what they thought was correct and professionally responsible...

Uh-huh. Like myocarditis in twenty-two-year-olds or Sudden Adult Death Syndrome in fifteen-year-olds, dementia can strike out of the blue at any moment. Michael Tomasky, editor of The New Republic:

When I write or tweet that he should leave the race, I get a pretty fair number of angry tweets about how I'm a bedwetter and how all this worry is just helping Trump. I kind of understand where people are coming from. But I am not part of the media that's been helping Trump. As I noted last week, we just put him on our cover as Hitler. I'm part of the media that thinks the Democrat absolutely has to win this election.

I've met Michael Tomasky just the once - almost three decades back, at the start of the Clinton impeachment trial, in a tearoom near the Capitol with my National Post colleague David Frum. David was interested to hear from a Dem insider re the embattled President, and I was struck by the fact that the only Washington lefties willing to turn on Slick Willie were two old Fleet Street hands, Alexander Cockburn and Christopher Hitchens. But, fascinating as these points were, Mr Tomasky quickly wearied of them, and summed up his position as:

He's our guy and we're sticking with him.  Even if his trousers are round his ankles. Likewise, he's our guy and we're sticking with him even if he's been clinically dead for three years.

Unless it starts to look as if the scale of what's necessary to get him across the finish line is beyond even our formidable capabilities... 
At which point, as handmaidens to Democrat power, we'll do what's necessary.

The scandal is not that Joe Biden was in "cognitive decline" during his 2020 campaign.

The scandal is not that Jill Biden is Lady Macbeth - you can't blame anyone for preferring to do multiple Vogue covers if the alternative is sitting in a Delaware basement watching Matlock reruns and spoonfeeding the drooler his tapioca.

The scandal is not that the Permanent State plucked Lunchbucket Joe to be the most biddable Potemkin president for their agenda: the mysterious elevation of hitherto unknowns to be stooge frontmen (Rishi Rich, Dinky Macron) is now a standard feature of our post-democratic age.

So what does that leave? The fourth estate's industrial-scale collusion in a hoax on their audiences not one of them could ever have believed - that "this version of Biden ...is the best Biden ever". Maybe the scandal is why Scarborough, Woodward et al are still in paid employment.

As I said, my conscience is clear - and it's nothing to do with his age: In March 2021, I observed to Tucker (in a show since vaporised by Fox) that the Queen was a generation older than Biden and had just hosted a round-table with public-health officials from England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales carrying it off "like Bret Baier in a tiara".

Yet now we are expected to believe, per Bob Woodward and Michael Tomasky, that, after perpetrating a four-year fraud on the American people, the US media are finally ready to believe their lying eyes.
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Reply #413 - Aug 12th, 2024 at 6:40am
 
The Russian culture does not belong to Western culture or does it belong?  Wink
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Reply #414 - Aug 12th, 2024 at 7:00am
 
RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 12th, 2024 at 6:40am:
The Russian culture does not belong to Western culture or does it belong?  Wink


I thought that the Two headed Eagle is the symbol of the Russian culture belonging to both Western and Eastern cultures.
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Reply #415 - Aug 13th, 2024 at 11:31am
 
Frank wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:40am:
Modern Western civilization has extraordinary empathy compared to its power. This is also arguably its greatest weakness.

With the nuclear bomb, America could have subjugated every nation on Earth with ease. Hitler and Stalin would certainly have done so.

Instead, America helped rebuild Germany and Japan!

There is no historical precedent for a nation with so much power helping, rather than destroying, its defeated enemies.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1773477116979646691


So what has gone wrong?

Daily Mail

Billionaire Sir Jim Ratcliffe says London is 'not safe' anymore
Story by Freya Barnes • 12h • 3 min read

Last year, Sir Ratcliffe witnessed someone being stabbed to death on CCTV outside his Knightsbridge office on Brompton Road over a Rolex watch.

He said: 'He died in a pool of blood because somebody tried to take his Rolex and he resisted. About a year ago we had three guys in hoodies, with machetes, right outside the office, opposite Harrods.'

'I can't wear a watch in London, and I just need to be a bit wary, a bit careful,' he told The Sunday Times.

(graph: London knife crime at record high)

Last year, boxer Amir Khan was robbed at gunpoint by two men in their 20s for his £72,000 diamond-encrusted watch as he left a restaurant in Leyton, east London. He has since moved to Dubai with his wife, feeling unsafe in London.

Singer and presenter Aled Jones was robbed for his £17,000 Rolex in broad daylight last July when walking with his son in Chiswick, west London. The 16-year-old boy who snatched the timepiece was armed with a machete and told Mr Jones: 'Walk the other way or I will cut your head off', when he tried to pursued him.


A descent into Dickensian London?

Something wrong with the 'empathy versus power' narrative; young hoodlums have no power, unlike the three privileged men mentioned above.  i


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Reply #416 - Aug 13th, 2024 at 4:08pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 11:31am:
Something wrong with the 'empathy versus power' narrative; young hoodlums have no power, unlike the three privileged men mentioned above.



The young hoodlums had power while they were committing their crimes though ... but what they failed to realize is that the same power could have been channeled into more productive and legal ventures, such as learning a trade or doing work that benefits, not only themselves, but the community in which they live

Western culture provides everything they need to build their own "power" without resorting to criminal activity, and that power will be respected. Power from criminality however, won't be respected




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Reply #417 - Aug 14th, 2024 at 11:13am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 4:08pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 11:31am:
Something wrong with the 'empathy versus power' narrative; young hoodlums have no power, unlike the three privileged men mentioned above.



The young hoodlums had power while they were committing their crimes though ...


Your error - as with all conservatives: inability to question WHY they were committing their "power" crimes.

Hence you will proceed with all sorts of GIGO, let's have a look:   

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but what they failed to realize is that the same power could have been channeled into more productive and legal ventures, such as learning a trade or doing work that benefits, not only themselves, but the community in which they live


Today's young people are facing the results of decades of cut-backs in the public sector, including cost-of living and housing crises, as inequality soars.

Which is why  billionaire Sir Jim Ratcliffe says "London is 'not safe' anymore".

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Western culture provides everything they need to build their own "power" without resorting to criminal activity, and that power will be respected. Power from criminality however, won't be respected


See what happened? You went with your blind, conservative 'personal responsibility' garbage, completely ignoring the good billionaire's (!) observations about current conditions in London.

Deplorable.

have a shot addressing the massive increase in inequality in the Anglo-sphere countries

eg

https://povertyandinequality.acoss.org.au/news/new-data-shows-wealth-gap-widenin...

" The latest report from the Poverty and Inequality Partnership, Inequality in Australia 2024: Who is affected and how? shows the average household wealth of Australia's highest 10% growing much faster than the lowest 60%, from $2.8 million to $5.2 million (an 84% increase) over the past 20 years.

Which is why the young as a group (among the poorest cohort)  are experiencing higher rates of mental illness.

(google)

At the social level, unfavorable circumstances like poverty, violence, and economic inequalities can increase the risks of experiencing mental health issues. On the upside, positive social interactions, a good level of education, and a safe environment can reduce those risks.

So how does a nation reduce poverty and inequality, given Frank's  posited "empathy and power" narrative of Western civilization?






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Reply #418 - Aug 14th, 2024 at 4:36pm
 
tallowood wrote on Aug 12th, 2024 at 7:00am:
RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 12th, 2024 at 6:40am:
The Russian culture does not belong to Western culture or does it belong?  Wink


I thought that the Two headed Eagle is the symbol of the Russian culture belonging to both Western and Eastern cultures.


I would rather say that the double-headed eagle for Russian culture is a symbol of inheritance and assimilation of the two parts of the Roman Empire.

Russia had long been in direct contact with the culture of the Eastern part of the Roman Empire.

And indirectly (through Western culture) Since the time of Peter the Great, Russia has been in intense contact with the culture of the Western part of the Roman Empire.
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Reply #419 - Oct 9th, 2024 at 3:41pm
 
We need to talk about the crisis in Western civilisation
Brendan O’Neill

There were two eruptions of barbarism last October. The first was Hamas’s pogrom of October 7, in which more than 1000 people were slaughtered and many others maimed, raped and kidnapped. The second was the sympathy for the pogrom across much of the West. The celebration, even, of this army of anti-Semites that had paraglided, barged and driven into southern Israel to decimate the civilian population there.

The bodies were barely cold, the hostages not yet shackled in Gaza’s dank tunnels, the rape victims still reeling from their vile defilement, when a cruel, taunting cry came from the West: “Well, what did you expect?”

On campuses, on social media and on the streets, there was an explosion of empathy – not with Israel but with the brutes who had so horrifically violated its territory and its people.

Leftists, influencers and members of the educated classes issued excuses for Hamas’s butchery of civilians. Some outright crowed about it.  It was “exhilarating”, said one American professor. “Glory to our martyrs,” said students at George Washington University in the US.

There was Hamas cosplay. Men in Hamas-style green bandannas were spotted on an anti-Israel march in London. Three young women in London were seen sporting paraglider stickers.

In the weeks following Hamas’s orgy of murder, legions of the West’s middle classes idly marched alongside radical Islamists who were chanting for jihad against the Jewish state. One pogrom wasn’t enough, it seems.
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We need to talk about this. We need to talk about this pity for the pogromists that swept the West. We need to talk about the fact when fascism reared its head once more, many of our young took its side.

Today is “a day of celebration”, British leftist Rivkah Brown said on October 7, as Israelis were still being slain by fascists. While the pogrom was in full flow, 31 student organisations at Harvard University issued a statement saying “the Israeli regime” is “entirely responsible for all unfolding violence”.

This was the politics of “She was asking for it”. As women were being raped and ravers murdered, 8000km away, on the leafy lawns of Harvard, the sons and daughters of privilege essentially were saying it was their own fault.

Universities were hotbeds of Hamas sympathy.
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On our streets, Hamas apologism ran riot. On October 9, before Israel’s military response had begun, protesters gathered at the Sydney Opera House to burn the Israeli flag and insult Jews.
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Then came the marches. Placards likened Zionism to Nazism. “From London to Gaza, we’ll have an intifada!” they chanted in Whitehall. Britain’s Jews quaked.  At a London protest at the end of October, the slaughter of Israelis still fresh in Jewish Brits’ minds, a gathering of Islamists chanted the Arabic war cry: “Khaybar, Khaybar, oh Jews, the army of Mohammed will return!”  That’s a reference to the 7th-century Battle of Khaybar that took place in what is now Saudi Arabia, when Mohammed and his armies slaughtered Jews. They were taunting Jews with tales of their annihilation, just weeks after a modern-day army of fanatics had annihilated more of them.
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Then came the most unsettling element of the West’s post-pogrom madness: the frenzied tearing down of posters showing the Israelis who were kidnapped on October 7. Supporters of Israel put up “KIDNAPPED” posters in cities across the West. And almost everywhere the posters were attacked, torn, defaced.

Everywhere you looked you’d see remnants of the posters, scarred with the jagged claw marks of those who had tried to destroy them. These flapping shreds of paper, with just the eye or mouth of the kidnapped Jew still visible, were a testament to the anti-civilisational delirium that blew up in the West after Hamas’s pogrom.

One of the grimmest images of the post-October moment was found in Finchley Road in London, where the faces of the three-year-old Israeli twins who were kidnapped were daubed with Hitler moustaches. Jewish children targeted with bigotry and mockery – who ever thought we would witness this again?
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What was this fever? Why did self-styled anti-fascists cosy up to fascism? How did some of the highest seats of learning in Christendom come to be overrun by apologists for barbarism? Why did posters of kidnapped children evoke such fury that they were smeared with Nazi slander? What madness was this?

This is what we need to talk about. Urgently
. The first eruption of barbarism in October 2023 – Hamas’s carnival of killing – confirmed what many of us already knew: that Hamas is a Jew-hating war machine that masquerades as a national liberation movement.

The second eruption of barbarism – the pogrom apologism in our own cities – points to something we are less willing to talk about: the moral rot of a Western world that has turned its back on the virtues of reason, enlightenment and just plain decency.

October 7 exposed our own crisis of civilisation. Ignoring it would be nothing short of suicidal.


This is an edited excerpt from Brendan O’Neill’s new book, After the Pogrom: 7 October, Israel and the Crisis of Civilisation, published by Spiked Books and available now.
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