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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #135 - Today at 1:49pm

ProudKangaroo wrote Today at 11:38am:

Frank wrote Today at 11:23am:

ProudKangaroo wrote Today at 10:49am:

Did you bother to look into that claim Frank?

Would you like some time to, or shall I explain what's actually happening rather the version Trump shared?

I don't want to risk you having a heart attack, so you may want to fact-check it first.

Let me know, champ.

Malice vying with stupidity in you, teapot. And it's always a draw.

https://perkinscoie.com/insights/update/new-california-law-prohibits-localities-...

So you debunked your own post. You are capable of fact checking, good job.

Dont double down on your malicious stupidity, teapot. We already have more than enough proof of it.

California Governor Gavin Newsom signed Senate Bill 1174 into law on September 29, 2024. SB 1174 prohibits local governments from requiring voters to present identification when casting their ballots at the polls.

https://perkinscoie.com/insights/update/new-california-law-prohibits-localities-...

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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #136 - Today at 2:01pm

Frank wrote Today at 1:49pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote Today at 11:38am:

Frank wrote Today at 11:23am:

ProudKangaroo wrote Today at 10:49am:

Did you bother to look into that claim Frank?

Would you like some time to, or shall I explain what's actually happening rather the version Trump shared?

I don't want to risk you having a heart attack, so you may want to fact-check it first.

Let me know, champ.

Malice vying with stupidity in you, teapot. And it's always a draw.

https://perkinscoie.com/insights/update/new-california-law-prohibits-localities-...

So you debunked your own post. You are capable of fact checking, good job.

Dont double down on your malicious stupidity, teapot. We already have more than enough proof of it.

California Governor Gavin Newsom signed Senate Bill 1174 into law on September 29, 2024. SB 1174 prohibits local governments from requiring voters to present identification when casting their ballots at the polls.

https://perkinscoie.com/insights/update/new-california-law-prohibits-localities-...

Ah, but you've just changed the goalposts.

You said that Trump claimed that Newsom signed a bill making it illegal to even ask whether someone has voter ID, and then asserted this was done so Democrats can cheat. That description is false and Trump was lying.

What the law actually does is far narrower and far less sinister. California passed legislation preventing local councils from inventing their own voter ID requirements that go beyond state law. It was a response to a handful of conservative local governments attempting to impose their own ID rules independently. That's it. No statewide ban on ID, no prohibition on showing ID, no law criminalising the act of asking someone if they have ID.

California's voting system already relied primarily on voter registration verification long before this bill existed. Limited ID checks still apply in specific cases, such as first-time federal voters who didn't provide identification when registering. None of that changed. The law didn't loosen anything, it just stopped local councils from creating a patchwork of conflicting rules.

The claim that this was done to enable cheating is pure bullshit. There is no evidence offered, no mechanism explained, and no fraud data supporting it. It's motive-attribution masquerading as fact. If the intent were to facilitate fraud, one would expect an increase in documented impersonation cases, prosecutions, or credible findings from election audits. None exist.

So if you think Trump is telling the truth, what you really mean is that you're accepting his framing without checking whether it matches reality.

But the funny thing is, you posted a link to the real law that exists, and it doesn't match Trump's description of it. Conflating the two doesn't make his statement true, it just spreads a false narrative.

At some point you have to decide whether you care about what feels right politically, or what is actually supported by the facts. Right now, you're choosing the former and calling it the latter, while posting links that debunk your claims hoping nobody would read them...

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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #137 - Today at 2:41pm

Voter ID laws are generally a bad thing for black people (and other minorities) as they tend to be in the lower socioeconomic class and less likely to have a licence or a car or other forms of identification. Not having a licence or a car makes it more difficult to gain other forms of identification. It’s not as easy as it is here in Australia, so you can’t equate our experience with that of Americans. That puts them at a disadvantage when it comes to voting where ID is required. The same cannot be said of white populations. So yes, voter ID laws in the U.S. are racist in that sense.

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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #138 - Today at 4:51pm

Armchair_Politician wrote Today at 2:41pm:

Voter ID laws are generally a bad thing for black people (and other minorities) as they tend to be in the lower socioeconomic class and less likely to have a licence or a car or other forms of identification. Not having a licence or a car makes it more difficult to gain other forms of identification. It’s not as easy as it is here in Australia, so you can’t equate our experience with that of Americans. That puts them at a disadvantage when it comes to voting where ID is required. The same cannot be said of white populations. So yes, voter ID laws in the U.S. are racist in that sense.

Do you need ID to receive welfare?

(Other than if you are a Somalia learing centre manager in Minnesota)

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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #139 - Today at 4:52pm

Armchair_Politician wrote Today at 2:41pm:

Voter ID laws are generally a bad thing for black people (and other minorities) as they tend to be in the lower socioeconomic class and less likely to have a licence or a car or other forms of identification. Not having a licence or a car makes it more difficult to gain other forms of identification. It’s not as easy as it is here in Australia, so you can’t equate our experience with that of Americans. That puts them at a disadvantage when it comes to voting where ID is required. The same cannot be said of white populations. So yes, voter ID laws in the U.S. are racist in that sense.

Do you need ID to receive welfare?

(Other than if you are a Somalia learing centre manager in Minnesota)

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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #140 - Today at 6:10pm

ProudKangaroo wrote Today at 2:01pm:

Frank wrote Today at 1:49pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote Today at 11:38am:

Frank wrote Today at 11:23am:

ProudKangaroo wrote Today at 10:49am:

Did you bother to look into that claim Frank?

Would you like some time to, or shall I explain what's actually happening rather the version Trump shared?

I don't want to risk you having a heart attack, so you may want to fact-check it first.

Let me know, champ.

Malice vying with stupidity in you, teapot. And it's always a draw.

https://perkinscoie.com/insights/update/new-california-law-prohibits-localities-...

So you debunked your own post. You are capable of fact checking, good job.

Dont double down on your malicious stupidity, teapot. We already have more than enough proof of it.

California Governor Gavin Newsom signed Senate Bill 1174 into law on September 29, 2024. SB 1174 prohibits local governments from requiring voters to present identification when casting their ballots at the polls.

https://perkinscoie.com/insights/update/new-california-law-prohibits-localities-...

Ah, but you've just changed the goalposts.

You said that Trump claimed that Newsom signed a bill making it illegal to even ask whether someone has voter ID, and then asserted this was done so Democrats can cheat. That description is false and Trump was lying.

What the law actually does is far narrower and far less sinister. California passed legislation preventing local councils from inventing their own voter ID requirements that go beyond state law. It was a response to a handful of conservative local governments attempting to impose their own ID rules independently. That's it. No statewide ban on ID, no prohibition on showing ID, no law criminalising the act of asking someone if they have ID.

California's voting system already relied primarily on voter registration verification long before this bill existed. Limited ID checks still apply in specific cases, such as first-time federal voters who didn't provide identification when registering. None of that changed. The law didn't loosen anything, it just stopped local councils from creating a patchwork of conflicting rules.

The claim that this was done to enable cheating is pure bullshit. There is no evidence offered, no mechanism explained, and no fraud data supporting it. It's motive-attribution masquerading as fact. If the intent were to facilitate fraud, one would expect an increase in documented impersonation cases, prosecutions, or credible findings from election audits. None exist.

So if you think Trump is telling the truth, what you really mean is that you're accepting his framing without checking whether it matches reality.

But the funny thing is, you posted a link to the real law that exists, and it doesn't match Trump's description of it. Conflating the two doesn't make his statement true, it just spreads a false narrative.

At some point you have to decide whether you care about what feels right politically, or what is actually supported by the facts. Right now, you're choosing the former and calling it the latter, while posting links that debunk your claims hoping nobody would read them...

Frank doesn't get to decide.

He just repeats whatever MAGA tells him to say.

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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #141 - Today at 6:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote Today at 6:10pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote Today at 2:01pm:

Frank wrote Today at 1:49pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote Today at 11:38am:

Frank wrote Today at 11:23am:

ProudKangaroo wrote Today at 10:49am:

Did you bother to look into that claim Frank?

Would you like some time to, or shall I explain what's actually happening rather the version Trump shared?

I don't want to risk you having a heart attack, so you may want to fact-check it first.

Let me know, champ.

Malice vying with stupidity in you, teapot. And it's always a draw.

https://perkinscoie.com/insights/update/new-california-law-prohibits-localities-...

So you debunked your own post. You are capable of fact checking, good job.

Dont double down on your malicious stupidity, teapot. We already have more than enough proof of it.

California Governor Gavin Newsom signed Senate Bill 1174 into law on September 29, 2024. SB 1174 prohibits local governments from requiring voters to present identification when casting their ballots at the polls.

https://perkinscoie.com/insights/update/new-california-law-prohibits-localities-...

Ah, but you've just changed the goalposts.

You said that Trump claimed that Newsom signed a bill making it illegal to even ask whether someone has voter ID, and then asserted this was done so Democrats can cheat. That description is false and Trump was lying.

What the law actually does is far narrower and far less sinister. California passed legislation preventing local councils from inventing their own voter ID requirements that go beyond state law. It was a response to a handful of conservative local governments attempting to impose their own ID rules independently. That's it. No statewide ban on ID, no prohibition on showing ID, no law criminalising the act of asking someone if they have ID.

California's voting system already relied primarily on voter registration verification long before this bill existed. Limited ID checks still apply in specific cases, such as first-time federal voters who didn't provide identification when registering. None of that changed. The law didn't loosen anything, it just stopped local councils from creating a patchwork of conflicting rules.

The claim that this was done to enable cheating is pure bullshit. There is no evidence offered, no mechanism explained, and no fraud data supporting it. It's motive-attribution masquerading as fact. If the intent were to facilitate fraud, one would expect an increase in documented impersonation cases, prosecutions, or credible findings from election audits. None exist.

So if you think Trump is telling the truth, what you really mean is that you're accepting his framing without checking whether it matches reality.

But the funny thing is, you posted a link to the real law that exists, and it doesn't match Trump's description of it. Conflating the two doesn't make his statement true, it just spreads a false narrative.

At some point you have to decide whether you care about what feels right politically, or what is actually supported by the facts. Right now, you're choosing the former and calling it the latter, while posting links that debunk your claims hoping nobody would read them...

Frank doesn't get to decide.

He just repeats whatever MAGA tells him to say.

Which part of this foxes you, mongs:

SB 1174 prohibits local governments from requiring voters to present identification when casting their ballots at the polls.

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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #142 - Today at 8:31pm

Frank wrote Today at 6:12pm:

Which part of this foxes you, mongs:

SB 1174 prohibits local governments from requiring voters to present identification when casting their ballots at the polls.

President Trump: "All we want is voter ID. You go to a grocery store, you have to give ID. You go to a gas station, you give ID. But for voting they want no voter ID. It's only for one reason: because they cheat"
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2013517436822397109

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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #143 - Today at 8:31pm

Frank wrote Today at 6:12pm:

Which part of this foxes you, mongs:

SB 1174 prohibits local governments from requiring voters to present identification when casting their ballots at the polls.

President Trump: "All we want is voter ID. You go to a grocery store, you have to give ID. You go to a gas station, you give ID. But for voting they want no voter ID. It's only for one reason: because they cheat"
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2013517436822397109

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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #144 - Today at 8:43pm

Frank wrote Today at 4:52pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote Today at 2:41pm:

Voter ID laws are generally a bad thing for black people (and other minorities) as they tend to be in the lower socioeconomic class and less likely to have a licence or a car or other forms of identification. Not having a licence or a car makes it more difficult to gain other forms of identification. It’s not as easy as it is here in Australia, so you can’t equate our experience with that of Americans. That puts them at a disadvantage when it comes to voting where ID is required. The same cannot be said of white populations. So yes, voter ID laws in the U.S. are racist in that sense.

Do you need ID to receive welfare?

(Other than if you are a Somalia learing centre manager in Minnesota)

No, only a social security number, and that isn’t a form of identification.

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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7282 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’ Reply #145 - Today at 9:17pm Voter ID laws are not racist. Go up to any Black American Adult and tell him or her the same bullshit you spew here. Government issued Identification is free as long as it doesn't include a license to exercise a privilege.
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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #146 - Today at 9:36pm

Armchair_Politician wrote Today at 8:43pm:

Frank wrote Today at 4:52pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote Today at 2:41pm:

Voter ID laws are generally a bad thing for black people (and other minorities) as they tend to be in the lower socioeconomic class and less likely to have a licence or a car or other forms of identification. Not having a licence or a car makes it more difficult to gain other forms of identification. It’s not as easy as it is here in Australia, so you can’t equate our experience with that of Americans. That puts them at a disadvantage when it comes to voting where ID is required. The same cannot be said of white populations. So yes, voter ID laws in the U.S. are racist in that sense.

Do you need ID to receive welfare?

(Other than if you are a Somalia learing centre manager in Minnesota)

No, only a social security number, and that isn’t a form of identification.

Do you need ID to get a social security number?

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