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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #60 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:58pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:50pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:40pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:33pm:

Of course it is debt deplomacy, and they have learned from the best - The West.

So the CCP is the same as 19th century imperialists, then... Therefore it has no right to claim the moral high ground.

And it's debt trapping not debt diplomacy.

This is nothing new. The Chinese used it for many centuries, and the Western worlds did to each other as well. This is how the world functioned.

The Chinese are just learning from the best.... the IMF

I'm certain it's not new. Humans have an acquisitive instinct that often degenerates into exploitation of 'the other'.

How does your admission of the CCP using imperialist tactics fit with the CCP's denigration of the US as an imperialist state when, by your admission, it runs from the same playbook?

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Reply #61 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:40pm

Endless discussion of political systems, governments who pretend one ideology yet practice another etc, ad tedium is of little significance without a close, honest (self?) examination of the underlying force, our nature as a species. I get sick of repeating this but until and unless all of you read Arthur Koestler’s “The Ghost in The Machine” you don’t have a hope in hell of understanding the mess we are in and how and why it’s highly probable we are fast engineering our own extinction. Despite all of humankind’s glorious achievements it could be said “Good riddance to bad rubbish"

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Reply #62 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:52pm

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:40pm:

until and unless all of you read Arthur Koestler’s “The Ghost in The Machine” you don’t have a hope in hell of understanding the mess we are in and how and why it’s highly probable we are fast engineering our own extinction.

Well, there is also Robert Sapolsky's works, particularly, 'Behave: The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst' and/or his many lectures and documentaries on YouTube.

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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #63 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 4:25pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:52pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:40pm:

until and unless all of you read Arthur Koestler’s “The Ghost in The Machine” you don’t have a hope in hell of understanding the mess we are in and how and why it’s highly probable we are fast engineering our own extinction.

Well, there is also Robert Sapolsky's works, particularly, 'Behave: The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst' and/or his many lectures and documentaries on YouTube.

Interestingly, if remember correctly, neither of them referrences the other.

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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #64 - Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:39pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:52pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:40pm:

until and unless all of you read Arthur Koestler’s “The Ghost in The Machine” you don’t have a hope in hell of understanding the mess we are in and how and why it’s highly probable we are fast engineering our own extinction.

Well, there is also Robert Sapolsky's works, particularly, 'Behave: The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst' and/or his many lectures and documentaries on YouTube.

ooo, we starting a little book club?

My recommendation: Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari

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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #65 - Mar 25^th, 2021 at 8:25am

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:39pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:52pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:40pm:

until and unless all of you read Arthur Koestler’s “The Ghost in The Machine” you don’t have a hope in hell of understanding the mess we are in and how and why it’s highly probable we are fast engineering our own extinction.

Well, there is also Robert Sapolsky's works, particularly, 'Behave: The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst' and/or his many lectures and documentaries on YouTube.

ooo, we starting a little book club?

My recommendation: Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari

The way we’re going, it will be brief.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60550 Gender:	Re: China draws a line in the sand Reply #66 - Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:22am A clue to why China (and others) are contemptuous, not fearful, of the US:
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 58054 Gender:	Re: China draws a line in the sand Reply #67 - Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:24am You know the little fella is the gimp in the barracks.
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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #68 - Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:34am

https://www.dw.com/en/china-navy-vs-us-navy/a-55347120

China has the world's largest navy —
what now for the US?

A US defense report estimates China has the world's largest naval fleet and is churning out new ships faster than ever. The US continues to have a technological edge, but China is becoming more capable close to home.

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30923 Gender:	Re: China draws a line in the sand Reply #69 - Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122093 Melbourne Gender:	Re: China draws a line in the sand Reply #70 - Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am: The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks They are using the money they made from us to build military forces to kill us.
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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #71 - Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:43am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks Sad

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Yes there is no shortage of stupid brain dead aussies investing and buying shares in companies like jbhifi, harvery f.ckface, kogun etc which are just branch offices for china incorporated. Even worse are our brain dead super funds stealing money from small businesses that are competing with china and investing it in these branch offices of china. There is no hope for us here and the chinaman is laughing all the way to the bank Sad

Then we have politicians boasting about educating the chinese workforce only to eventually put us out of business and out of a job because the stupid brain dead pollies consider that to be an export earner and not a job destroyer Sad

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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #72 - Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:46am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks Sad

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Of course they are.

War is coming...

Even the medieval-minded mainland Chinese know that.

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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #73 - Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:48am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks Sad

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Of course they are.

War is coming...

Even the medieval-minded mainland Chinese know that.

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Keep em all out - the same as we did in Queensland.

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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #74 - Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:48am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks Sad

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Of course they are.

War is coming...

Even the medieval-minded mainland Chinese know that.

The war will be very short when the average punter realizes they can't buy a 50 cent tap washer from anywhere else but china. The west will just give into the chinks Sad

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