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China draws a line in the sand
Mar 22^nd, 2021 at 10:03pm

China draws a line in the sand.

China is making itself very clear, before the world, Beijing wants its friends to make it plain [to Beijing], who they are.

China is stating 'with every fibre of its being' - 'If America is weak, then now [or very soon] may be the 'opportune' time for the war with America.'

Not so ?

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China Calling for Civilizational War Against America and the West

by Gordon G. Chang
March 22, 2021

"Gunpowder" is one of those words Beijing uses when it wants others to know war is on its mind. The term is, more worryingly, also especially emotion-packed, a word Chinese propagandists use when they want to rile mainland Chinese audiences.... China's Communist Party, therefore, is now trying to whip up nationalist sentiment, rallying the Chinese people, perhaps readying them for war.

More fundamentally, Beijing is... trying to divide the world along racial lines and form a global anti-white coalition....

Deng Xiaoping, Mao's mostly pragmatic successor, counseled China to "hide capabilities, bide time." Xi, however, believes China's time has come in part because, he feels, America is in terminal decline.

Xi is serious. In January, he told his fast-expanding military it must be ready to fight "at any second." That month, the Party's Central Military Commission took from the civilian State Council the power to mobilize all of society for war. Militant states rarely prepare for conflict and then back down.

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https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17196/china-civilizational-war

[the whole article is just a click away.]

China is preparing for war.

And with whom ?

Who will be the loser ?

Another Hitler

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1616057729

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Reply #1 - Mar 22^nd, 2021 at 10:52pm

Darkies are forming a global alliance to put the pressure on the minority and physically weaker White Races and cultures, turning another screw towards them becoming more feminised with each decade.
Once they take power through other covert means. The Chinese Military machine will be dismantled for being the Red Herring that it was. Like a China-Virus unleashed, like a computer virus to attack your nation from within.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 23014 A cat with a view	Re: China draws a line in the sand Reply #2 - Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 8:40am I knew that you would be here jasin. Muddying the water.
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Reply #3 - Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 8:52am

China has been warning the world for several decades, that it considers Taiwan to be on its side of that line in the sand.

But Taiwan had been an open democracy for several decades, and it has a population of tens of millions of people. !!

It was a choice, which those people eventually made, after they fled mainland China , in the 1940's.

It was a choice, to not live under Communist Chinese authority.

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Today, if China invades or attacks Taiwan, will the rest of the 'free word' abandon those tens of millions of free people,
to the 'mercies' of a tyrant and a murderer like Xi Jinping, and to the constraints of the CCP ?

Xi Jinping is a thug and a murderer.

That means we must always submit to his demands.

Because that is what is in our own best interests.
......OR IS IT?

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in 2021....
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Everything they do, whether it is seemingly innocuous, such as measuring a mountain or putting a rover on Mars, is a means of claiming sovereignty, of enlarging the People's Republic. Now, of course, there are, in addition to these incursions, China's militant, hostile, belligerent acts.... The question is, what are we going to do about it?

China will land a Rover, its Rover, on Mars in either May or June.... China's officials have been talking about moon and Mars as if they are sovereign Chinese territory -- part of the People's Republic.

They look at near heavenly bodies the same way they do the South China Sea, something that should be theirs. This means that if they get there, China believes it has the right to exclude other nations.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17191/china-what-to-do-about-it

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Yadda said somewhere...
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IMO, ppl like yourself seem to want a 'peace' at any cost.

But, imo morality, or life, doesn't work like that.

Peace comes from defending open truth.

But your logic seems to be;
'Wanting' something, will produce it.

Or;
'If we give bullies what they want, surely, they will be satisfied, and leave us alone.'

They won't.

If you give a bully/thug, what he wants, he will come back again, and again.

And eventually he will take from you, everything that you own.

And the last thing the bully/the thug, will take from you, is your life.

The appeasement of evil men, does not lead to peace.

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IMO, this generation has lost the ability to discern between good and evil, between truth and falsehood.

As individuals, we all know, or as adults, we should know by now!, that if we walk away from truth, we will [always!] reap confusion in our lives.

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Are the lives of the people of Taiwan worth fighting for ?

Is your own life, worth fighting for ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4201 Gender:	Re: China draws a line in the sand Reply #4 - Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 9:38am Well, yeah, but there is just another issue.... Taiwan also believes that its a legitimate government for China, and their official policy is that the south China sea is a territory of Republic of China. Oh yeah, they also believe in the actual line of control with India as well. So the plot thickens.
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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #5 - Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 9:56am

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China draws a line in the sand.
China is making itself very clear, before the world, Beijing wants its friends to make it plain [to Beijing], who they are.
China is stating 'with every fibre of its being' - 'If America is weak, then now [or very soon] may be the 'opportune' time for the war with America.'
Not so ?

China is starting WW3 just by one fact alone -

Covid-19 is a bio weapon they created illegally and
they didn't prevent its escape.
They are lying about it too.
They prevented the WHO from investigating more than 1 year ago.
The CCP is evil and they must be destroyed before
we're all killed by more bio weapons.

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30923 Gender:	Re: China draws a line in the sand Reply #6 - Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:06am The chinaman has nearly won the war already. They have taken away the manufacturing capacity of most western nations and left them with an industrial graveyard where the locals now fight over the casualized scrap jobs in the service economy
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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #7 - Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:12am

The great irony is: If the democratic ROC was the government of the mainland, China would probably already be the leading superpower and every democratic country would today be willingly deferring to China on all global matters.

The CCP has now destroyed that.

We should stand in awe of the courage and spirit of Hong Kong protesters, Myanmar protesters and the Taiwanese for defending democracy that barely an Australian alive has yet needed to do.

They are proof that belief in democratic ideals and the rule of law alongside the will and strength to defend them is not, by any means, solely the territory of Europeans, North Americans, Indians and Anglophones throughout the world.

Totalitarianism must be confronted by all democracies as a sacred duty, because no one can claim that they are unaware of where it otherwise ultimately leads...

It leads to brutal repression, murder, concentration camps, death marches, death camps, gas chambers and (a new one) live organ harvesting.

That has been the destiny of all totalitarian regimes (left or right) without exception.

Also, we should be mindful that, today, the mainland Chinese are the first victims of the 20th century's last great evil.

If the world does not confront totalitarianism, then we, as free citizens of the world, will have betrayed our duty to learn from history.

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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #8 - Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:24am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 9:56am:

China is starting WW3 just by one fact alone -

Covid-19 is a bio weapon they created illegally and
they didn't prevent its escape.
They are lying about it too.
They prevented the WHO from investigating more than 1 year ago.
The CCP is evil and they must be destroyed before
we're all killed by more bio weapons.

What you say MAY be true as you also mention 'They prevented the WHO from investigating more than 1 year ago’ and recently prevented a team from investigating with anything like thoroughness, let alone transparency.

Underlying this issue however is the world wide consumption of ‘warm meat’ obtained from wilderness animals. Ebola transferred to our species that way and more will plague us as our ever increasing population destroys more and more native forests.
Essentially what I’m attempting to draw your attention to are not the dangers posed by any particular ideology (not that China still has one having mutated into a form of mongrel state gangster capitalism) but our very nature . As a species we are the most dangerous on the planet.

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The CCP is evil and they must be destroyed before we're all killed by more bio weapons.

Any attempt to destroy China in an act of all out warfare (ie:- nuclear) will unleash retaliation. All life on this planet, other than a few cockroaches, will be rendered extinct.
“A consummation devoutly to be wished” I hear several alien species muttering.

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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #9 - Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:29am

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:24am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 9:56am:

China is starting WW3 just by one fact alone -

Covid-19 is a bio weapon they created illegally and
they didn't prevent its escape.
They are lying about it too.
They prevented the WHO from investigating more than 1 year ago.
The CCP is evil and they must be destroyed before
we're all killed by more bio weapons.

What you say MAY be true as you also mention 'They prevented the WHO from investigating more than 1 year ago’ and recently prevented a team from investigating with anything like thoroughness, let alone transparency.

Underlying this issue however is the world wide consumption of ‘warm meat’ obtained from wilderness animals. Ebola transferred to our species that way and more will plague us as our ever increasing population destroys more and more native forests.
Essentially what I’m attempting to draw your attention to are not the dangers posed by any particular ideology (not that China still has one having mutated into a form of mongrel state gangster capitalism) but our very nature . As a species we are the most dangerous on the planet.

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The CCP is evil and they must be destroyed before we're all killed by more bio weapons.

Any attempt to destroy China in an act of all out warfare (ie:- nuclear) will unleash retaliation. All life on this planet, other than a few cockroaches, will be rendered extinct.
“A consummation devoutly to be wished” I hear several alien species muttering.

But it looks like there is no hope for us anyway
if a country like China is allowed to
work on illegal bio weapons that easily escape.
Will we be wiped out by bio weapons or nuclear weapons?

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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #10 - Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:31am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:12am:

The great irony is: If the democratic ROC was the government of the mainland, China would probably already be the leading superpower and every democratic country would today be willingly deferring to China on all global matters.

The CCP has now destroyed that.

We should stand in awe of the courage and spirit of Hong Kong protesters, Myanmar protesters and the Taiwanese for defending democracy that barely an Australian alive has yet needed to do.

They are proof that belief in democratic ideals and the rule of law alongside the will and strength to defend them is not, by any means, solely the territory of Europeans, North Americans, Indians and Anglophones throughout the world.

Totalitarianism must be confronted by all democracies as a sacred duty, because no one can claim that they are unaware of where it otherwise ultimately leads...

It leads to brutal repression, murder, concentration camps, death marches, death camps, gas chambers and (a new one) live organ harvesting.

That has been the destiny of all totalitarian regimes (left or right) without exception.

Also, we should be mindful that, today, the mainland Chinese are the first victims of the 20th century's last great evil.

If the world does not confront totalitarianism, then we, as free citizens of the world, will have betrayed our duty to learn from history.

Thanks :Couldn’t have said it more succinctly myself. But how many today are listening?

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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #11 - Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:35am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:29am:

But it looks like there is no hope for us anyway
if a country like China is allowed to
work on illegal bio weapons that easily escape.
Will we be wiped out by bio weapons or nuclear weapons?

Either way we will be wiped out by what we are.
Arthur Koestler’s “The Ghost in The Machine” opened my eyes to this question some decades ago. Our species reaction to his warning was and is largely ignored.

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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #12 - Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:40am

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:35am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:29am:

But it looks like there is no hope for us anyway
if a country like China is allowed to
work on illegal bio weapons that easily escape.
Will we be wiped out by bio weapons or nuclear weapons?

Either way we will be wiped out by what we are.
Arthur Koestler’s “The Ghost in The Machine” opened my eyes to this question some decades ago. Our species reaction to his warning was and is largely ignored.

Yes -
the USA must draw a line in the sand with China.
Either be properly investigated and punished or WW3 -
let them decide.
We can't just ignore the consequences of their bio weapon -
start trading again as though nothing happened.
The Chinese have almost destroyed the entire world
and its civilisation.

2,736,635 (+6,664) Covid Deaths

https://coronaboard.com/

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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #13 - Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 11:04am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:40am:

Yes -
the USA must draw a line in the sand with China.
Either be properly investigated and punished or WW3 -
let them decide.
We can't just ignore the consequences of their bio weapon -
start trading again as though nothing happened.
The Chinese have almost destroyed the entire world
and its civilisation.

Again, we don’t have proof China deliberately manufactured a bio-weapon. My feeling is they did but I have no proof. Thanks to China’s carefully managed secrecy we may never know for sure.
China has almost destroyed the entire world? Not yet but they’re working on it.
From my perspective we in the West are responsible for one of the greatest of evils in relation to China, continuing to purchase goods manufactured there, some of it produced with slave labour. Henry Ford’s trade with Nazi Germany pales by comparison. This convenient, short sighted trade has undermined our security in the West. Instance, so many of the base ingredients for life saving medication production have been handed exclusively over to China. Consider the implications if China decides to cut off that supply. China’s so called Communist Party may be evil but our staggering stupidity is handing them a frightening degree of power on a silver platter.

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Re: China draws a line in the sand
Reply #14 - Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 11:17am

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:31am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:12am:

The great irony is: If the democratic ROC was the government of the mainland, China would probably already be the leading superpower and every democratic country would today be willingly deferring to China on all global matters.

The CCP has now destroyed that.

We should stand in awe of the courage and spirit of Hong Kong protesters, Myanmar protesters and the Taiwanese for defending democracy that barely an Australian alive has yet needed to do.

They are proof that belief in democratic ideals and the rule of law alongside the will and strength to defend them is not, by any means, solely the territory of Europeans, North Americans, Indians and Anglophones throughout the world.

Totalitarianism must be confronted by all democracies as a sacred duty, because no one can claim that they are unaware of where it otherwise ultimately leads...

It leads to brutal repression, murder, concentration camps, death marches, death camps, gas chambers and (a new one) live organ harvesting.

That has been the destiny of all totalitarian regimes (left or right) without exception.

Also, we should be mindful that, today, the mainland Chinese are the first victims of the 20th century's last great evil.

If the world does not confront totalitarianism, then we, as free citizens of the world, will have betrayed our duty to learn from history.

Thanks :Couldn’t have said it more succinctly myself. But how many today are listening?

I don't know how many are listening (or like-minded) but I do know this: If it's not said at all, then no one can listen and/or will not have the opportunity to confirm that they are like-minded.

No democracy has the luxury of waiting for an almost certain unlikely, or miracle, epiphany from totalitarians such that they dismantle their totalitarian regime.

Totalitarians are unreformable and totalitarianism does not abate or collapse in the absence of an irresistible confronting force.

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