Australian Politics Forum - The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 51444
Gender: male

Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Reply #600 - Jul 9^th, 2025 at 10:51am

Frank wrote on Jun 29^th, 2025 at 2:55pm:

How to Avoid Harmfully Stereotyping the Muslims Trying to Kill You

Pakistani Muslims beating up British police officers at Manchester airport.

But the problem is Islamophobia.

Mohammed Fahir Amaaz, 20, and Muhammad Amaad, 26.
https://x.com/RadioGenoa/status/1942291278743658959

Both men, from Rochdale, Greater Manchester, deny the allegations.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/shocking-footage-reveals...

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44327	Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia Reply #601 - Jul 9^th, 2025 at 12:15pm Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
Back to top	It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... IP Logged

Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 52750 Gender:	Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia Reply #602 - Jul 10^th, 2025 at 2:11pm Jews were living the lie until the Germans set them in the right path due to the truth of North America coming onto the scene. Now Australia is proving Islam as an Empire, was a lie too. The Moslems are scared of their Great Replacement from down under.
Back to top	AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY. IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 51444
Gender: male

Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Reply #603 - Jul 10^th, 2025 at 6:55pm

To place Islam beyond criticism because Muslims are supposedly being discriminated against in Australia is, as Salman Rushdie puts it, to ignore “fanatical Islam, which is highly organised, well-funded, and which seeks to terrify us all, Muslims as well as non-Muslims, into cowed silence”.

The idea that Muslims and any aspect of their religion should be sheltered from criticism is totally inimical to the principle of freedom of speech, which is the foundation of a free and democratic society, and an indispensable shelter against tyranny. It is simply impossible to protect any group’s right not to be offended without grievously infringing on the constitutional freedom of political communication of others who disagree with them.

Dr Augusto Zimmerman

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44327	Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia Reply #604 - Jul 10^th, 2025 at 7:41pm Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
Back to top	It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 51444
Gender: male

Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Reply #605 - Jul 11^th, 2025 at 10:39am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2025 at 7:41pm:

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The idea that Muslims and any aspect of their religion should be sheltered from criticism is totally inimical to the principle of freedom of speech, which is the foundation of a free and democratic society, and an indispensable shelter against tyranny. It is simply impossible to protect any group’s right not to be offended without grievously infringing on the constitutional freedom of political communication of others who disagree with them.

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

Brian Ross

Gold Member

Offline

Representative of me

Posts: 44327

Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Reply #606 - Jul 11^th, 2025 at 1:36pm

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 10:39am:

The idea that Muslims and any aspect of their religion should be sheltered from criticism is totally inimical to the principle of freedom of speech, which is the foundation of a free and democratic society, and an indispensable shelter against tyranny. It is simply impossible to protect any group’s right not to be offended without grievously infringing on the constitutional freedom of political communication of others who disagree with them.

Oh, I agree, Soren. Problem is, the criticism needs to be based on knowledge and understanding not as you do, on Islamophobia and hatred. When you acknowledge that you know bugger all about how Islam operates, it might be possible to teach you where you are wrong. Understand? Until then you live in your own Twilight Zone based on Racism and Islamophobia. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Back to top

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 51444
Gender: male

Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Reply #607 - Jul 11^th, 2025 at 3:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 1:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 10:39am:

The idea that Muslims and any aspect of their religion should be sheltered from criticism is totally inimical to the principle of freedom of speech, which is the foundation of a free and democratic society, and an indispensable shelter against tyranny. It is simply impossible to protect any group’s right not to be offended without grievously infringing on the constitutional freedom of political communication of others who disagree with them.

Oh, I agree, Soren. Problem is, the criticism needs to be based on knowledge and understanding not as you do, on Islamophobia and hatred. When you acknowledge that you know bugger all about how Islam operates, it might be possible to teach you where you are wrong. Understand? Until then you live in your own Twilight Zone based on Racism and Islamophobia. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I asked you and others before to show us what 'criticism of Islam based on knowledge and understanding' looks like.
As usual, you could only say twilight zone and roll your eyes.

The same with Aboriginal topics. You offer no solution, nothing constructive, just inane sniveling.
Same with every other topic and subject, come to think of it.

It usually goes like this:
You: ABC headline with emoji.
Any response, including request for you to express an opinion or solution.
You: sniveling twilight zone and tut tut eye rolling.
Any response pressing you for more details or others commenting to each other.
You: twilight zone, racism, Islamophobia, sniveling tut tut and eye rolling.

And so the years roll on.

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

Brian Ross

Gold Member

Offline

Representative of me

Posts: 44327

Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Reply #608 - Jul 11^th, 2025 at 4:29pm

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 3:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 1:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 10:39am:

The idea that Muslims and any aspect of their religion should be sheltered from criticism is totally inimical to the principle of freedom of speech, which is the foundation of a free and democratic society, and an indispensable shelter against tyranny. It is simply impossible to protect any group’s right not to be offended without grievously infringing on the constitutional freedom of political communication of others who disagree with them.

Oh, I agree, Soren. Problem is, the criticism needs to be based on knowledge and understanding not as you do, on Islamophobia and hatred. When you acknowledge that you know bugger all about how Islam operates, it might be possible to teach you where you are wrong. Understand? Until then you live in your own Twilight Zone based on Racism and Islamophobia. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I asked you and others before to show us what 'criticism of Islam based on knowledge and understanding' looks like.
As usual, you could only say twilight zone and roll your eyes.

The same with Aboriginal topics. You offer no solution, nothing constructive, just inane sniveling.
Same with every other topic and subject, come to think of it.

It usually goes like this:
You: ABC headline with emoji.
Any response, including request for you to express an opinion or solution.
You: sniveling twilight zone and tut tut eye rolling.
Any response pressing you for more details or others commenting to each other.
You: twilight zone, racism, Islamophobia, sniveling tut tut and eye rolling.

And so the years roll on.

We all have our own MO expressed in posting. You, simply post hatred based on Racism and Islamophobia. When someone points out the fallacies which you express, you respond with ad huminem insults, vitriol and hatred. You rarely display any intelligence. Mine is to post the headlines which are otherwise ignored by yourself or other posters. My comments are expressed in the emojis which are posted after that. As Bobby likes to claim he is "only the messenger", well I am as well, I just don't proclaim it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Back to top

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 51444
Gender: male

Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Reply #609 - Jul 11^th, 2025 at 6:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 4:29pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 3:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 1:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 10:39am:

The idea that Muslims and any aspect of their religion should be sheltered from criticism is totally inimical to the principle of freedom of speech, which is the foundation of a free and democratic society, and an indispensable shelter against tyranny. It is simply impossible to protect any group’s right not to be offended without grievously infringing on the constitutional freedom of political communication of others who disagree with them.

Oh, I agree, Soren. Problem is, the criticism needs to be based on knowledge and understanding not as you do, on Islamophobia and hatred. When you acknowledge that you know bugger all about how Islam operates, it might be possible to teach you where you are wrong. Understand? Until then you live in your own Twilight Zone based on Racism and Islamophobia. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I asked you and others before to show us what 'criticism of Islam based on knowledge and understanding' looks like.
As usual, you could only say twilight zone and roll your eyes.

The same with Aboriginal topics. You offer no solution, nothing constructive, just inane sniveling.
Same with every other topic and subject, come to think of it.

It usually goes like this:
You: ABC headline with emoji.
Any response, including request for you to express an opinion or solution.
You: sniveling twilight zone and tut tut eye rolling.
Any response pressing you for more details or others commenting to each other.
You: twilight zone, racism, Islamophobia, sniveling tut tut and eye rolling.

And so the years roll on.

We all have our own MO expressed in posting. You, simply post hatred based on Racism and Islamophobia. When someone points out the fallacies which you express, you respond with ad huminem insults, vitriol and hatred. You rarely display any intelligence. Mine is to post the headlines which are otherwise ignored by yourself or other posters. My comments are expressed in the emojis which are posted after that. As Bobby likes to claim he is "only the messenger", well I am as well, I just don't proclaim it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Focus:

I asked you and others before to show us what 'criticism of Islam based on knowledge and understanding' looks like.
As usual, you could only say twilight zone and roll your eyes.

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44327	Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia Reply #610 - Jul 11^th, 2025 at 7:34pm "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" - Tao Te Ching ascribed to Laozi When you demonstrate that you understand what modern Islam is then you can criticise it, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
Back to top	It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 51444
Gender: male

Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Reply #611 - Jul 11^th, 2025 at 8:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 7:34pm:

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" - Tao Te Ching ascribed to Laozi

When you demonstrate that you understand what modern Islam is then you can criticise it, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Focus:

I asked you and others before to show us what 'criticism of Islam based on knowledge and understanding' looks like.
As usual, you could only say twilight zone and roll your eyes.

I understand Islam. I have expressed my understanding of it. You havent. Eyerolling and tut-tutting is not understanding.

show us what 'criticism of Islam based on knowledge and understanding' looks like.

It is not a difficult request for someone with your knowledge and understanding.

Do not hide your knowledge and erudition behind eyerolling and tut tut. Is there anything ELSE to you?

Share.

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

Brian Ross

Gold Member

Offline

Representative of me

Posts: 44327

Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Reply #612 - Jul 11^th, 2025 at 8:47pm

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 8:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 7:34pm:

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" - Tao Te Ching ascribed to Laozi

When you demonstrate that you understand what modern Islam is then you can criticise it, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Focus:

I asked you and others before to show us what 'criticism of Islam based on knowledge and understanding' looks like.
As usual, you could only say twilight zone and roll your eyes.

I understand Islam. I have expressed my understanding of it. You havent. Eyerolling and tut-tutting is not understanding.

show us what 'criticism of Islam based on knowledge and understanding' looks like.

It is not a difficult request for someone with your knowledge and understanding.

Do not hide your knowledge and erudition behind eyerolling and tut tut. Is there anything ELSE to you?

Share.

You claim you know Islam but you have yet to demonstrate that you know it, Soren. Until you do, I cannot be sure that you would understand criticism of it. Untll you make that first step, you'll never complete the journey. Off you go, let you prove that you have the knowledge. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Back to top

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 36187
Gender: male

Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Reply #613 - Jul 11^th, 2025 at 9:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 8:47pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 8:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 7:34pm:

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" - Tao Te Ching ascribed to Laozi

When you demonstrate that you understand what modern Islam is then you can criticise it, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Focus:

I asked you and others before to show us what 'criticism of Islam based on knowledge and understanding' looks like.
As usual, you could only say twilight zone and roll your eyes.

I understand Islam. I have expressed my understanding of it. You havent. Eyerolling and tut-tutting is not understanding.

show us what 'criticism of Islam based on knowledge and understanding' looks like.

It is not a difficult request for someone with your knowledge and understanding.

Do not hide your knowledge and erudition behind eyerolling and tut tut. Is there anything ELSE to you?

Share.

You claim you know Islam but you have yet to demonstrate that you know it, Soren. Until you do, I cannot be sure that you would understand criticism of it. Untll you make that first step, you'll never complete the journey. Off you go, let you prove that you have the knowledge. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Twilight zone

Back to top

IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 51444
Gender: male

Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Reply #614 - Jul 11^th, 2025 at 9:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 8:47pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 8:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 7:34pm:

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" - Tao Te Ching ascribed to Laozi

When you demonstrate that you understand what modern Islam is then you can criticise it, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Focus:

I asked you and others before to show us what 'criticism of Islam based on knowledge and understanding' looks like.
As usual, you could only say twilight zone and roll your eyes.

I understand Islam. I have expressed my understanding of it. You havent. Eyerolling and tut-tutting is not understanding.

show us what 'criticism of Islam based on knowledge and understanding' looks like.

It is not a difficult request for someone with your knowledge and understanding.

Do not hide your knowledge and erudition behind eyerolling and tut tut. Is there anything ELSE to you?

Share.

You claim you know Islam but you have yet to demonstrate that you know it, Soren. Until you do, I cannot be sure that you would understand criticism of it. Untll you make that first step, you'll never complete the journey. Off you go, let you prove that you have the knowledge. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I asked you and others before to show us what 'criticism of Islam based on knowledge and understanding' looks like.
As usual, you could only say twilight zone and roll your eyes.

Now I ask you, in addition - what do you take to be an acceptable demonstration of knowing Islam?

Once you clarified what you recognise as proper knowledge of Islam you can tell us what an acceptable criticism of Islam then looks like.

But you keep avoiding clarifying the parameters of YOUR demands of acceptable knowledge and critique.

I think it is because you are a simple troll. You have no knowledge of Islam, you have no idea of where the difference is between acceptable criticism of Islam and Islamophobia.

You've had YEARS AND YEARS to be clear about it all. You havent done it because you neither know nor care. You are here only to be a troll. You boast about your supposed education but present, for years, as as a moron limited to twighlight zone, Maggie memes, eye rolling and tut tuts.

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged