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Mar 17th, 2021 at 7:01am
 
102yo grandmother scammed out of aged care bond in $375,000 email hack


When 102-year-old Nancy Pun's $375,000 aged care home deposit was stolen, her family could not bring themselves to tell her.

Nancy had only recently settled into an aged care facility, and the family was worried the shock of the missing money would seriously impact her health.

The money, from the sale of the Perth home she'd lived in for almost 40 years, was meant to allow Nancy to live comfortably for the rest of her days.

Instead, it was seized in an elaborate hack and wound up in the hands of scammers.

"It's my 102-year-old grandmother's money that's to pay for her care, her life, the rest of her life and it's really hard to face that," Nancy's granddaughter, Phoebe Pun, said.

The scammers tricked Phoebe, who has power of attorney for her grandmother, by posing as an employee of the aged care home over emails.

"I just went cold. Just shock. 'Oh my god. What's just happened. No way, this can't be happening.' I'm so careful. But clearly, I could be more careful," Phoebe said.

Australians have lost more than $7 million to email scams so far this year, but what happened to the Pun family shows just how brazen fraudsters have become.
Moving into aged care

The decision for Nancy to go into aged care late last year wasn't an easy one.

"It took a long time, like a long time, until she was even remotely comfortable to even consider moving into any kind of assisted living," Phoebe said.

"She only stopped living on her own in the house … at the beginning of last year."

Nancy bought the home with her late husband when they moved to Australia from Hong Kong in 1980, to be with their four sons.

She had lived there alone since her husband died in 1995, before briefly living with Phoebe's parents.

"Due to the age of my parents — her son and my mum — she couldn't stay with them longer than six months because she needed different care," Phoebe said.

"As a family, we decided maybe it was time she go into a facility that had all the services that could give her what she needed — not just from a medical side of things if she needed onsite care — but activity wise, because she's very social as well.

Phoebe arranged for the home to be sold and the proceeds to be used as the bond to help fund Nancy's place at an aged care facility.

After numerous emails back and forth with the home, Phoebe received the account details for the transfer of the $375,000 bond.

The email contained the name of the aged care home and the BSB and bank account details of an Australian Military Bank account.

She directed $374,251 from the sale of the house to the aged care home, as well as $749 from her own account, but within a week discovered the facility had not received the payments.

"When we realised that maybe it was a scam, I remember it felt like all the blood was just draining out of me," Phoebe said.
Recovering the money

Since the money went missing in January, Nancy's family has done everything possible to get it back.

While Phoebe was able to retrieve the $749 sent directly from her bank, so far the family has had no concrete answers on what's happened to the remaining $374,251.

In Sydney, Nancy's grandson, Francis Louie, is in disbelief that such a large sum of money could go missing and is concerned by how long the investigation is taking.

"For [that money] to disappear through a property settlement transaction, it's very alarming," he said.

"Once this thing was reported, we expected some immediate action by all the different authorities."

The Australian Military Bank is investigating, as are police in New South Wales where the account is held.

Neither was able to comment on where those investigations are at.

Consumer Protection WA said it was still unclear how the scammers managed to infiltrate the emails, but the Pun family's situation was representative of a broader trend in scams.

"What we think is happening is that scammers are placing spyware onto people's computers and that entry can happen in any one of a million different ways," Commissioner for Consumer Protection Lanie Chopping said.

"People receive email transactions and they make electronic transactions and communications on a daily basis," she said.

"A scammer can enter that, can place some form of monitoring software in the system and then be able to, for example, look for key words or key numbers to be able to track communication and identify potential victims where they can then intervene."

The family have since been told some of the money may be recovered, but they have questioned why the banks did not cross-check the account details on such a large transaction.

    "There were no red flags raised whatsoever on the bank's side. That's a little bit disconcerting, with the obviously apparent rampant cybercrime going on in the world," Phoebe said.

"It would be great to be able to see an extra level of security on that side of things, like maybe you need to have a name that matches the account number and the BSB.

"If I go to deposit a cheque at a bank, they won't deposit it if it's wrong, so why can't we look at implementing something a similar way?

"There has to be something that can be done to increase the security to try and at least halt these guys a little bit or slow them down at least. It's crazy."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-17/aged-care-resident-scammed-out-of-bond-in...
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Reply #1 - Mar 17th, 2021 at 7:22am
 
that sounds so bad these scams work thanks to internet banking...its not good enough....seems to me some knew this lady was selling her home and going into aged care......maybe they should look closer to home....I cant see myself  exchanging $375.000 on the internet.
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Reply #2 - Mar 17th, 2021 at 12:35pm
 
There must be an electronic track that can be followed.

Find them and kill them

Slowly........tie them to the tow bar of a car and drag them slowly down the Birdsville track, and back.

Low life like this deserve nothing less.

When my uncle was scammed he chased the base turd down.

He explained, quite simply, return the money or do not live to enjoy it.

My uncle could be very persuasive, he got most back, and took the rest out in flesh from the ass hole.

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I HAVE A DREAM
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A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
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Reply #3 - Mar 17th, 2021 at 12:46pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 12:35pm:
There must be an electronic track that can be followed.

Find them and kill them

Slowly........tie them to the tow bar of a car and drag them slowly down the Birdsville track, and back.

Low life like this deserve nothing less.

When my uncle was scammed he chased the base turd down.

He explained, quite simply, return the money or do not live to enjoy it.

My uncle could be very persuasive, he got most back, and took the rest out in flesh from the ass hole.



There are no balls in government to even consider rooting out these arseholes.... too hard.... parking fines on those with a regular income are easier to collect....

You see here the genesis of the Mafia in Sicilia..... originally a group who got together to right wrongs against the common folk... that either the ruling elite did or allowed to go by as just 'normal business'....

What this country lacks is a dedicated corps of assassins ......
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Reply #4 - Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:30pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 7:22am:
that sounds so bad these scams work thanks to internet banking...its not good enough....seems to me some knew this lady was selling her home and going into aged care......maybe they should look closer to home....I cant see myself  exchanging $375.000 on the internet.


X2   It's just too much money to take a chance with
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Our Lives Are Governed By The Feast & Famine Variable
 
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Reply #5 - Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:53pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:30pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 7:22am:
that sounds so bad these scams work thanks to internet banking...its not good enough....seems to me some knew this lady was selling her home and going into aged care......maybe they should look closer to home....I cant see myself  exchanging $375.000 on the internet.


X2   It's just too much money to take a chance with


I would have no hesitation in killing the thieves.

A couple of years in gaol vs them enjoying their spoils....... no contest.

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I HAVE A DREAM
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A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
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Reply #6 - Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:54pm
 
You all could be on to something there....

Hang ten a week while lining up the next ten...... Devil's Island with three foot man-eating crabs is too good for them...

Philosophical question for the day - do man-eating crabs also eat women?

It's no good
Pushing men to the front,
These man-eating crabs
All go for ****
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Reply #7 - Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:57pm
 
2019: Tura Beach. $1.3 million lost to scamming. Tura Beach has a high density of retirees - who are the prime targets of all Scammers around the world - like the Cafe Boys of West Africa. The so-called 'Primitive Black Race' somehow knows how to fleece a lot of Australians online in millions.
Hell the Chinese scammed over $3million from begging on the streets of Melbourne.

The only way Scammers can steal $thousands from people is 'online'. A far cry of stealing your wallet of a few $hundred down an alleyway.

Australia is one of the biggest targets for Scammers in the world. Not only are Australians susceptible to drugs/alcohol like no other nation. They are the most scammed people on the planet per ratio of population as well.
I've seen Indian Accountants rip off old white people with everything signed on the dotted line by 'silly old Bertha' who has no idea. Mostly the Kids are the scammers behind getting 'the house', etc.

But in 20 years - the majority of online activity will be 'Scamming', the online Capitalism of the world. A place you can make $millions, or you can end up a bum.

The Television Media is just as much a scammer, and in America's case - a scammer for 'sex'.

Media (TV, Newspapers, Cinema, etc) and the Internet have their Remedy, but they also have their Poison.

K.I.S.S with both of these, unless you really know what you are dealing with and are dedicated and committed to conquering it.

Things will only get worse as more are able to use both mediums of Media/Net to exploit others and eventually - these (and maybe a 3rd player to come) will be the ultimate 'officialised' predator of the not so Media/Internet Savvy.

Over-population and the desperation of poverty is what drives Scammers (the majority of them) to do what they do.

As one successful scammer who sits on a few million dollars in a backwater country from his Online expertise, said
"I'm here now. Before, I could have been dead in a gutter. The choice was simple."

I could sit at a cafe in a popular part of Canberra's cafe-latte district and listen/see at least 6 different scamming individuals or couples doing their work on their phones while having a cuppa. At first I had to be shown this by a Professional. At the major train stations at Sydney and Melbourne. You can see the Scammers constantly walking past people with their phones hoping to have someone's phone 'open' in various ways to them as they lock in to their details, etc.

I closed down as much of myself and dealings online once China started scamming us lately. I don't conduct business online as much as possible. Sure, I could make 'more money' via more Online activity, but it only attracts more attention and as yet, the Internet is NOT secure despite how much the Common Herd pays for it.

The Amish are the most grounded, sounded and stress free people in the world. They're not missing much afterall.

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Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:30pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 7:22am:
that sounds so bad these scams work thanks to internet banking...its not good enough....seems to me some knew this lady was selling her home and going into aged care......maybe they should look closer to home....I cant see myself  exchanging $375.000 on the internet.


X2   It's just too much money to take a chance with


It's actually the safest way to transfer money. All property settlements these days are done by electronic money transfers.

The issue here isn't the internet banking, its the fraudsters who posed as the retirement home company and gave them their own bank account details.
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The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 4:17pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:30pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 7:22am:
that sounds so bad these scams work thanks to internet banking...its not good enough....seems to me some knew this lady was selling her home and going into aged care......maybe they should look closer to home....I cant see myself  exchanging $375.000 on the internet.


X2   It's just too much money to take a chance with


It's actually the safest way to transfer money. All property settlements these days are done by electronic money transfers.

The issue here isn't the internet banking, its the fraudsters who posed as the retirement home company and gave them their own bank account details.


Can you see your contradiction there?
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Reply #10 - Mar 17th, 2021 at 5:51pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 4:17pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:30pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 7:22am:
that sounds so bad these scams work thanks to internet banking...its not good enough....seems to me some knew this lady was selling her home and going into aged care......maybe they should look closer to home....I cant see myself  exchanging $375.000 on the internet.


X2   It's just too much money to take a chance with


It's actually the safest way to transfer money. All property settlements these days are done by electronic money transfers.

The issue here isn't the internet banking, its the fraudsters who posed as the retirement home company and gave them their own bank account details.



Even these are not immune to fraud.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/masterchef-finalist-caught-in-conveyan...
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