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Reply #45 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 12:27pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 12:00pm:
My father was a very low paid worker his entire life, Yet he afforded a house and raised two children.
We often went without, so be it.
We were taught to be careful with our money, and it has served us well.

But he worked and worked hard, never once unemployed....ever

Now lets look as some of the "Deserving" of free housing.
Never worked i their lives.....Quite a few of them, One entire Kultcha is full of them.
Do they deserve a free home???4

Drug addicts, wasting all their money on drugs .....Do they deserve a free home?

Dead beats, lazy drunks and worthless parasite....do they deserve a free house?

Anyone can afford to pay rent, the grubberment wastes my hard earned taxes on funding rent assistance.

If you cannot be bothered to even do a little work, or apply for help, its your own fault.

I do agree that mental health needs work,
There is a whole bunch of them that seriously needs help
LGBTQISELFISH, The terminally Offended, muzzos, etc.

But thats another matter


There are many people beyond your very emotive examples who deserve a chance at securing a home. You just paint everyone with the same brush because it suits and feeds your outrage!

We find ourselves in a policy driven overheated housing market that is largely being maintained to keep the economy afloat. Many with access to capital have been given a multi decade winning hand. It has skewed the economy and both overlooked and screwed many over.

Providing adequate public housing is just one way to help balance this equation.
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Reply #46 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 12:30pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 9:05am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:54am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:54am:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:39am:
Rights rights rights
That's all white night ever thinks of

there is no meaning in life when all you think of is your own personal situation
and how others need to Grant you your rights

The meaning to life white night
is not in your rights but in your responsibilities

You need to

Lift a load
Make it a heavy load so that after you lift it you can feel some legitimate self-satisfaction that you are the sort of creature who can lift a load

Taking on responsibilities makes you stronger
Telling other people that they owe you something makes you weaker

I wish you would understand that


So you dont think homeless ppl who haven fallen on hard times (disabled, aged etc) should have anywhere to live?

Spot


Borg - I heard an amazing interview of someone who has helped homeless people for over a decade.
The question was from the interviewer - 'What is the difference between one of these homeless people and a normal person?'

The answer - "About 2 weeks."

He is an expert, he works on that field.
In 2 weeks, a 'normal' person can often find themselves homeless.

It could be caused by marriage breakdown, death in a family, being sacked from work, ill health, mental collapse.

In 2 weeks, many people can go from having a roof over their heads to not.


There but for the grace of god go thee.

You think. But thats just not true, some cope extraordinarily well with stress while others do not. And drug and alcohol abuse are the major issues of the homeless.
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Reply #47 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 12:47pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 12:15pm:
0ktema wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 11:29am:
mothra wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 9:07am:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 9:00am:
The solution to this problem sprint is the following

Become a giver

If you are someone who gives first
And doesn't wallow in self-pity

If you do that for your entire life
You will literally have dozens of people who are delighted to have you around

And if you fall upon hard times
They will be queuing up to offer you a bed and a roof over your head

If you are a whining cry baby
Full of selfish self-pity and spraying your negative emotion all over the place
No one is going to invite you into their house

The solution to homelessness is to work on yourself
And become a cheerful joyful pleasure to be around
Then you will always be welcome

It is the exact opposite of what modern crybaby entitled politics espouses
Modern governments encourage people to be the eternal infant
Who wants to open up their house and have another infant to look after

But if you are strong competent cheerful joyful and helpful
What person in their right mind would not want you around


You just live in an absolute fantasy world.



Aquascoot's complete disregard for those who don't fit his ideals, compete with the the caring nature of a true eugenicist.

There is a certain ideological disdain and heartlessness shown for those who don't/can't belong to his group.

Well, this is how he chooses to express himself here on the forum, anyway!

 


it is not a complete disregard.

it is simply advice that if you become a little self pitying selfish puke who cries all the time and plays the victim,   no on will want you around.

"laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone".

now, having ackowledged this very old and universal law, does it not demand of us that we try to stop people falling into victim mentality, into self pity, inot being sad , outraged and toxic?

FOR THEIR OWN WELFARE !!!!.

currently the average australian dwelling has 2 empty bedrooms...that PLENTY of surplus housing.

currently people rely on their iphone or their laptop as their only "friend'

what is wrong with the very sensible advice to "get out there and establish a "real" social network" Undecided Undecided Undecided


You still don't provide the answers, just criticism and ideals.

The fact is people get old, ill or disadvantaged and strong social networks can fall apart.  

Are you going to move people into spare bedrooms? That's unrealistic and you know it!

What about pensioners unable to work, single mothers escaping from family violence, females near the end of their working life with little to no superannuation and no employment prospects. What about those with multiple health problems who don't fit the disability criteria.

You just call them all self pitying selfish pukes and heartlessly disregard them. There is strength in community and more than enough to go around if there is a care!

The people whom you disregard don't just disappear, the uncared for weaken our societal bonds. 

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Reply #48 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 1:54pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 11:41am:
I'm sorry to say this WhiteKnight for your cause is always of good intentions.

...but a LOT of Public Housing must be destroyed because they are permanently infected with the toxicity of ICE, Amphetamines, etc. This is just as dangerous as living in an asbestos (broken) house.

Allowing people to re-inhabit these Houses, Units, etc that are only given a 'fresh paint job' - let alone to purchase them is just dangerous and irresponsible. People become very sick from inhabiting these places.

So how would you stop the junkies ruining another taxpayer free house?



True, but the shocking condition (especially the outsides) of a lot of public housing has also been caused by decades of neglect by State and Federal governments.

I recently spoke to the new owners of one of the many former public housing properties that have been sold off in our area alone over the past few years and they're literally ripping everything out - toilets, sinks, etc. and starting from scratch.

I jokingly suggested they might have been better off just demolishing the entire house and rebuilding but they love the 'challenge' (and, its a huge one by the look of things) of bringing the place back up to a reasonable standard.
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Reply #49 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 2:00pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:44am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:33am:
Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am:
When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore.

After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  Shocked



Plenty of places like that in Melbourne -
idiots in a housing commission places high on ice
and any other drugs they can get hold of

and some are using disability support payments to fund it -

all while more deserving people can't get the DSP.


not in SA by all accounts bobby   



It's everywhere now -
even in country towns.
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Reply #50 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 2:36pm
 
Some people appear to think homelessness is primarily just about people not having a stable home. Its not. We could build 10 million cheap homes and not solve this issue, homelessness is mainly a symptom of other issues in that persons life. Society needs to focus on the cause.  Drug, alcohol abuse and mental health issues are implicated as major issues for the homeless.
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Reply #51 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 3:14pm
 
rhino wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 2:36pm:
Some people appear to think homelessness is primarily just about people not having a stable home. Its not. We could build 10 million cheap homes and not solve this issue, homelessness is mainly a symptom of other issues in that persons life. Society needs to focus on the cause.  Drug, alcohol abuse and mental health issues are implicated as major issues for the homeless.


Some homeless people are the recipients of a totally schit hand in life, but as you said, drugs and alcohol are a huge part.

The people whose lives fall apart after 2 weeks of hardship haven't lived their lives responsibly, pissing their money against the wall and not socking money away for a rainy day. Bet they never had 2 jobs and worked themselves so hard they've fallen asleep standing up Smiley 

Also, dig into the backstories of people living rough and you'll nearly always hear about estranged children, so they were also failures as parents too. Nobody I know would let their mum or dad sleep on the farqing street.






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Reply #52 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:15pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 2:00pm:
cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:44am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:33am:
Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am:
When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore.

After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  Shocked



Plenty of places like that in Melbourne -
idiots in a housing commission places high on ice
and any other drugs they can get hold of

and some are using disability support payments to fund it -

all while more deserving people can't get the DSP.


not in SA by all accounts bobby   



It's everywhere now -
even in country towns.



maybe mothra will open her spare rooms for them     if they ask her... she claims shes a bleeding heart Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes...lets see her prove it....

I have had a few young ones though my home   over the years   always friends of my kids  who were doing it tough at home...I was amazed when we first came to Canberra   my girls had friends  who lived in very large homes and they would tell me all the smashing things they had in their home..........but yes dad or mum was an alcoholic or a gambler...hardly any food in the house..I couldnt believe what went on behind these posh looking doors...    and probably still does.......

all those I  or I should say  we  helped have been more than grateful  and it was my pleasure ... the parents I might add never did I get a thank you from them.......oh well..thats life.
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Reply #53 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:29pm
 
Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am:
When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore.

After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  Shocked




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Reply #54 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:30pm
 
rhino wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 2:36pm:
Some people appear to think homelessness is primarily just about people not having a stable home. Its not. We could build 10 million cheap homes and not solve this issue, homelessness is mainly a symptom of other issues in that persons life. Society needs to focus on the cause.  Drug, alcohol abuse and mental health issues are implicated as major issues for the homeless.



absolutely   but tell that to some folks and they will call you all sorts of names..

I remember when my kids where at home.... kids were being called homeless   because at 13 they wanted to stay out till 3am.. and when mum and dad said NO  out they walked...they could walk into a police station  tell them all sorts  and then the system would find them clothes and shelter and also hand out money....not sure if that happens today but it did back then..... that happened to a couple I know whos son was adopted  and he played up on them  and when they stood up to him he knew where to go  and the system helped him every time..in the end they just gave up..
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Reply #55 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:33pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:33am:
Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am:
When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore.

After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  Shocked



Plenty of places like that in Melbourne -
idiots in a housing commission places high on ice
and any other drugs they can get hold of
and some are using disability support payments to fund it -

all while more deserving people can't get the DSP.



plenty of idiots like that outside of housing commission homes as well.
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Reply #56 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:33pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:22am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:16am:
cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:19am:
can you point out where Nef has been HATEFUL....

your hate for members is a forum disgrace   its in every post......nef was just pointing out FACTS    she lived near these flats shes talking about  and I knew the couple who owned the local supermarket there... they were traumatised with holdups...... why do you think they knocked them down???...



now you are calling me TOXIC   and OLD...but you dont talk HATRED DO YOU PET..

how soon you forget.. Angry



I have not known that of Neferti


I am still waiting for the proof of nef hate sprint... Roll Eyes


you'll never see it whilst you keep your head up your arse
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Reply #57 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:37pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:15pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 2:00pm:
cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:44am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:33am:
Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am:
When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore.

After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  Shocked



Plenty of places like that in Melbourne -
idiots in a housing commission places high on ice
and any other drugs they can get hold of

and some are using disability support payments to fund it -

all while more deserving people can't get the DSP.


not in SA by all accounts bobby   



It's everywhere now -
even in country towns.



maybe mothra will open her spare rooms for them     if they ask her... she claims shes a bleeding heart Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes...lets see her prove it....

I have had a few young ones though my home   over the years   always friends of my kids  who were doing it tough at home...I was amazed when we first came to Canberra   my girls had friends  who lived in very large homes and they would tell me all the smashing things they had in their home..........but yes dad or mum was an alcoholic or a gambler...hardly any food in the house..I couldnt believe what went on behind these posh looking doors...    and probably still does.......

all those I  or I should say  we  helped have been more than grateful  and it was my pleasure ... the parents I might add never did I get a thank you from them.......oh well..thats life.



thats a legitimate point.

1/2 the population involve themselves in "signalling their virtue'

and many of them would have a spare bedroom, without a doubt.

if they have time to attend BLM rallies.
if they have time to go on social media and express their outrage

then surely they have time to make up the spare room and take concrete action.

and yet , the homeless numbers do not change.

it makes one wonder about the motivation of those who "signal their virtue"

is it their love of the down and out or their hatred of those of another tribe.

it would appear to be the latter.

one can feel it in their posts as well.

they arent coming from a place of joy and compassion.

the hatred and the fake moral outrage explodes all over the internet , like an absess full of toxic pus
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Reply #58 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:37pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:54am:
Borg - I heard an amazing interview of someone who has helped homeless people for over a decade.
The question was from the interviewer - 'What is the difference between one of these homeless people and a normal person?'

The answer - "About 2 weeks."

He is an expert, he works on that field.
In 2 weeks, a 'normal' person can often find themselves homeless.

It could be caused by marriage breakdown, death in a family, being sacked from work, ill health, mental collapse.

In 2 weeks, many people can go from having a roof over their heads to not.



there used to be a homeless guy in Wollongong who for years could be found sleeping in a bus shelter on upper Crown St

when he died it came out in the local paper that he owned 3 houses but opted to sleep on the streets because he didn't want his kids to be put out ... he had 3 kids, each in one of his houses with their families
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Reply #59 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:45pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:37pm:
cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:15pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 2:00pm:
cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:44am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:33am:
Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am:
When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore.

After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  Shocked



Plenty of places like that in Melbourne -
idiots in a housing commission places high on ice
and any other drugs they can get hold of

and some are using disability support payments to fund it -

all while more deserving people can't get the DSP.


not in SA by all accounts bobby   



It's everywhere now -
even in country towns.



maybe mothra will open her spare rooms for them     if they ask her... she claims shes a bleeding heart Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes...lets see her prove it....

I have had a few young ones though my home   over the years   always friends of my kids  who were doing it tough at home...I was amazed when we first came to Canberra   my girls had friends  who lived in very large homes and they would tell me all the smashing things they had in their home..........but yes dad or mum was an alcoholic or a gambler...hardly any food in the house..I couldnt believe what went on behind these posh looking doors...    and probably still does.......

all those I  or I should say  we  helped have been more than grateful  and it was my pleasure ... the parents I might add never did I get a thank you from them.......oh well..thats life.



thats a legitimate point.

1/2 the population involve themselves in "signalling their virtue'

and many of them would have a spare bedroom, without a doubt.

if they have time to attend BLM rallies.
if they have time to go on social media and express their outrage

then surely they have time to make up the spare room and take concrete action.

and yet , the homeless numbers do not change.

it makes one wonder about the motivation of those who "signal their virtue"

is it their love of the down and out or their hatred of those of another tribe.

it would appear to be the latter.

one can feel it in their posts as well.

they arent coming from a place of joy and compassion.

the hatred and the fake moral outrage explodes all over the internet , like an absess full of toxic pus


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