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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #30 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 7:51pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 7:28pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 7:16pm:
Would you describe this as an accurate statement, or a demonstration of the gullibility of climate "skeptics"?

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50m environmental refugees by end of decade, UN warns


1. It is not an accurate statement as it has proven untrue.
2. It is not a demonstration of the gullibility of climate "skeptics". Unless you label the UN as climate "skeptics".
3. It is a demonstration of the flawed "science".


Try reading it again. You do not realise what it is actually saying. Perhaps you realise this, seeing as you studiously avoid including it in your quotes. Here it is again for you:

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50m environmental refugees by end of decade, UN warns
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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #31 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 8:17pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 4:00pm:
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50m environmental refugees by end of decade, UN warns


Would you describe this as an accurate statement, or a demonstration of the gullibility of climate "skeptics"?

Untestable hyperbole.
All 'climate prediction' are.

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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #32 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 8:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 7:51pm:
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50m environmental refugees by end of decade, UN warns


"Rising sea levels, desertification and shrinking freshwater supplies will create up to 50 million environmental refugees by the end of the decade, experts warn today."
as defined by the UN.

So tell us where these environmental refugees are. Note not fleeing from war, not fleeing from short term drought just those to which they referred. Wink

But let's look at them individually.

Rising sea levels? Zero have gained movement because of rising sea level. The Indian and Pacific ocean islands are growing according to expert evidence (Kench).

Desertification - a 2017 publication says that Desertification threatens lives and livelihoods. Not that they have already occurred.

http://www.perryinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2017/01/Environmental-...

Shrinking freshwater supplies? I can't find any evidence of refugees linked to this. You?
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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #33 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 10:21pm
 
I suppose we cannot expect climate "skeptics" to realise they are being duped if they do not even realise they are being told something.
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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #34 - Mar 14th, 2021 at 11:58am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 10:21pm:
I suppose we cannot expect climate "skeptics" to realise they are being duped if they do not even realise they are being told something.



Poor petal. Can't even explain his position. Such a numpty. Just repeats his mantra "skeptics are gullible". Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #35 - Mar 14th, 2021 at 7:06pm
 
Sure I can. This:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 8th, 2021 at 10:34am:
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50m environmental refugees by end of decade, UN warns


Wed 12 Oct 2005

Rising sea levels, desertification and shrinking freshwater supplies will create up to 50 million environmental refugees by the end of the decade, experts warn today. Janos Bogardi, director of the Institute for Environment and Human Security at the United Nations University in Bonn, said creeping environmental deterioration already displaced up to 10 million people a year, and the situation would get worse.

"There are well-founded fears that the number of people fleeing untenable environmental conditions may grow exponentially as the world experiences the effects of climate change," Dr Bogardi said. "This new category of refugee needs to find a place in international agreements. We need to better anticipate support requirements, similar to those of people fleeing other unviable situations."

Tony Oliver-Smith, a natural hazards expert at the University of Florida, said: "Around the world vulnerability is on the increase, due to the rapid development of megacities in coastal areas. Combine this trend with rising sea levels and the growing number and intensity of storms and it is a recipe for a disaster, with enormous potential to create waves of environment-driven migration."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2005/oct/12/naturaldisasters.climatechan...



Where are these 50 million environmental refugees the experts claimed we would have by the end of the decade?



is a classic example of the gullibility of climate "skeptics" and you cannot figure out why.
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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #36 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 9:48am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 14th, 2021 at 7:06pm:
Sure I can. This:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 8th, 2021 at 10:34am:
Quote:
50m environmental refugees by end of decade, UN warns


Wed 12 Oct 2005

Rising sea levels, desertification and shrinking freshwater supplies will create up to 50 million environmental refugees by the end of the decade, experts warn today. Janos Bogardi, director of the Institute for Environment and Human Security at the United Nations University in Bonn, said creeping environmental deterioration already displaced up to 10 million people a year, and the situation would get worse.

"There are well-founded fears that the number of people fleeing untenable environmental conditions may grow exponentially as the world experiences the effects of climate change," Dr Bogardi said. "This new category of refugee needs to find a place in international agreements. We need to better anticipate support requirements, similar to those of people fleeing other unviable situations."

Tony Oliver-Smith, a natural hazards expert at the University of Florida, said: "Around the world vulnerability is on the increase, due to the rapid development of megacities in coastal areas. Combine this trend with rising sea levels and the growing number and intensity of storms and it is a recipe for a disaster, with enormous potential to create waves of environment-driven migration."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2005/oct/12/naturaldisasters.climatechan...



Where are these 50 million environmental refugees the experts claimed we would have by the end of the decade?



is a classic example of the gullibility of climate "skeptics" and you cannot figure out why.



You are throwing  the switch to 'Gandalf', fd.

How many pages will it take for you NOT to say what you mean?
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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #37 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 5:41pm
 
Can you spot anything there that might make climate skeptics appear gullible?
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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #38 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 1:14pm
 
Monk needs to watch this then apologise:


https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6241858863001?utm_campaign=audience-mobile&u...


'So much for all those global warming predictions'

19/03/2021|6min

watch the video:

Sky News host Rowan Dean says record cold snaps and rainfall globally are making the continued "global warming predictions" and alarmism "laughable or criminal".

"I drove home last night from the studio through an absolute deluge; trees down, roads flooded, swollen rivers, and a thousand waterfalls along the motorway," he said.

"Naturally, I only had one thought that kept replaying over and over in my mind. That was of course one of the key climate change predictions from Tim Flannery from the beginning of this century, and just one of the many, many predictions that was so wrong it is either laughable or criminal.

"Indeed, it was also predicted that by 2020, children in Europe and Australia wouldn't know what snow was anymore. This prediction was repeated as recently as 2014 by the New York Times who postulated 'the end of snow?'."

The northern hemisphere winter this year was one of the “coldest in decades”, with experts in Finland suggesting record snowfall will likely not even melt through summer.

"Who can forget over in America, it was so cold the windmills froze, plunging the state into blackouts with people tragically dying simply trying to stay warm? More cold weather is due again this week in Texas," Mr Dean said.

"Yet this morning in Melbourne's CBD, the climate crazies were out in force again with Extinction Rebellion protesters causing peak-hour chaos, blocking the intersection of Flinders and Swanston streets with a moving truck.

"That would be, of course, a large fossil-fuel-powered truck emitting an abundance of carbon emissions, but what's a little hypocrisy when you're saving the planet from imminent Armageddon?"

Mr Dean pointed to the high level of emissions from China, noting it has “over 3,000 coal-fires power plants built or being planned”.

"Instead, our leaders are hellbent on paying lip service to an unproven scientific hypothesis that CO2 is heating the globe to levels that threaten mankind - and even the planet's - existence when the evidence of our eyes and the tips of our fingers and noses is often completely the opposite.

"As far as I can tell, major economic decisions across the planet are predicated on a theory from two decades ago – if not longer - that doesn't stack up, for the obvious reasons that so many predicted outcomes have not occurred."
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Reply #39 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 1:23pm
 
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The northern hemisphere winter this year was one of the “coldest in decades”, with experts in Finland suggesting record snowfall will likely not even melt through summer.


Does more snow mean it was colder or warmer Bobby?
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Reply #40 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 1:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 1:23pm:
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The northern hemisphere winter this year was one of the “coldest in decades”, with experts in Finland suggesting record snowfall will likely not even melt through summer.


Does more snow mean it was colder or warmer Bobby?



Climate change global warming fanatics like Monk
will say the extra snow is caused by the warmer air
creating more clouds which then turns into snow.

Normal people just say that - it's because it's colder.
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Reply #41 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 2:52pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 1:23pm:
Does more snow mean it was colder or warmer Bobby?



I would love to see the peer-reviewed paper that says it snows when it is warmer. Wink
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Reply #42 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 2:58pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 2:52pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 1:23pm:
Does more snow mean it was colder or warmer Bobby?



I would love to see the peer-reviewed paper that says it snows when it is warmer. Wink



Monk will find it.   Grin
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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #43 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 6:16pm
 
Ajax wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 10:07am:
If the IPCC where serious about cleaning up the planet the first things they should have done is

1. Stop deforestation (Rain Forrest)

2. Plastification of the ocean

This idea that CO2 is the bad guy and we will all have to pay billions on the stock exchange to save ourselves is nothing short of stupidity.

Anyone who believes those circulation models is stupid especially now after 30 years that empirical data (observations of nature) have proven the models wrong and has shown that they are showing nearly twice the warming we have experienced.

If CO2 affected the temperature of the Earth and caused a greenhouse effect it would be in our history, there's a good place to start.

Because the science of AGW doesn't hold up they have had to conjure up all sorts of doomsday scenarios which have not come to fruition now that we have past the use by date.

After covid-19 global warming will be the next big item to get ticked off, in other words we will have to join up and pay billions for the air we breathe.









Exactly. But let's not forget the elephant in the room - population control.  But this is at odds with the mantra of the acolytes of the Cult of Warming.
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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #44 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 6:26pm
 
did Greta see that report??.... or has she finally found an interest in boys?
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