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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #15 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 2:13pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 8:00am:
What do you think the UN actually warned 17 years ago?


Surely that is the wrong question. The UN is a framework that according to them merely repeats the peer-reviewd studies. Although sometimes they don't use peer-reviewed studies. So it is the "climate scientists" who should he held to account.

But her we go -

"The report, entitled Climate Change and Human Health – Risks and Responses, is a study of how climate change has an impact on human health, from influencing weather patterns and air pollution to causing water and food contamination.

It is co-authored by the World Health Organization (WHO), the UN Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), and was launched at the 9th Session of the Conference of the Parties to the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change in Milan.

The report says climate change was responsible for 150,000 deaths, 2.4 per cent of the world’s cases of diarrhoea and 2 per cent of all malaria cases in 2000."

"Natural disasters, the lion's share of them weather-related catastrophes, cost the world over $60 billion in 2003, up from around $55 billion the year before, and are part of a worrying trend that is being linked with climate change, the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) said today."

Shouldn't costs be increased by GDP? Shouldn't 1 year be a weather difference?

"Many low-altitude ski resorts face economic hardship and even ruin due to global warming, with the internationally celebrated Austrian town of Kitzbuehl threatened with extinction as a winter sports resort, according to a new study released today by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP)."

[color=#ff0000]There is a plenty happening in Kitzbühel for the winter 2020 ski season.
That is the correct spelling.
https://www.ski-austria.com/blog/kitzbuhel-2020-ski-season/

https://news.un.org/en/search/climate/date/2003

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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #16 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 2:15pm
 
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Surely that is the wrong question.


I was responding to the title of the article quoted, which was clearly intended to catch out climate "skeptics" in an obvious lie.
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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #17 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 2:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 2:15pm:
I was responding to the title of the article quoted, which was clearly intended to catch out climate "skeptics" in an obvious lie.



Crap.

"Rising sea levels, desertification and shrinking freshwater supplies will create up to 50 million environmental refugees by the end of the decade, experts warn today. Janos Bogardi, director of the Institute for Environment and Human Security at the United Nations University in Bonn, said creeping environmental deterioration already displaced up to 10 million people a year, and the situation would get worse."

oh you mean it was a stalking horse for the UN? The UN tried a deliberate lie? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

and 17 years ago from 2005 would make it next year. Wink
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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #18 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 2:36pm
 
Thanks for trying to tell me what I was responding to Lee. But here it is in black and white.

freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2021 at 9:25pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 8th, 2021 at 10:34am:
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50m environmental refugees by end of decade, UN warns


Wed 12 Oct 2005

Rising sea levels, desertification and shrinking freshwater supplies will create up to 50 million environmental refugees by the end of the decade, experts warn today. Janos Bogardi, director of the Institute for Environment and Human Security at the United Nations University in Bonn, said creeping environmental deterioration already displaced up to 10 million people a year, and the situation would get worse.

"There are well-founded fears that the number of people fleeing untenable environmental conditions may grow exponentially as the world experiences the effects of climate change," Dr Bogardi said. "This new category of refugee needs to find a place in international agreements. We need to better anticipate support requirements, similar to those of people fleeing other unviable situations."

Tony Oliver-Smith, a natural hazards expert at the University of Florida, said: "Around the world vulnerability is on the increase, due to the rapid development of megacities in coastal areas. Combine this trend with rising sea levels and the growing number and intensity of storms and it is a recipe for a disaster, with enormous potential to create waves of environment-driven migration."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2005/oct/12/naturaldisasters.climatechan...



Where are these 50 million environmental refugees the experts claimed we would have by the end of the decade?



Did you post this as an example of how gullible climate "skeptics" are?

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Reply #19 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 3:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 2:36pm:
Thanks for trying to tell me what I was responding to Lee. But here it is in black and white.



Yes petal. The garudian - So it must be true. Ergo The UN through its University published that 50 million figure.

So what happened?

Well The UN disappeared it.

And since? Well the American Association for the Advancement of Science pushed the 50 million claim out to 2020.

"Fifty million "environmental refugees" will flood into the global north by 2020, fleeing food shortages sparked by climate change, experts warned at a major science conference that ended here Monday.

"In 2020, the UN has projected that we will have 50 million environmental refugees," Cristina Tirado, a professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, said at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)."

https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/50-million-environmental-refug...

Also reported at PhysOrg news -

https://phys.org/news/2011-02-million-environmental-refugees-experts.html

Via the wayback machine -

https://web.archive.org/web/20080501091406/http://maps.grida.no/go/graphic/fifty...

You are welcome.

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Reply #20 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 4:00pm
 
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50m environmental refugees by end of decade, UN warns


Would you describe this as an accurate statement, or a demonstration of the gullibility of climate "skeptics"?
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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #21 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 4:32pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 4:00pm:
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50m environmental refugees by end of decade, UN warns


Would you describe this as an accurate statement, or a demonstration of the gullibility of climate "skeptics"?


It is the gullibility of climate alarmists petal. They made a claim. It has not turned out to be true. It was never likely to be true. They believed.

Much as you want to put it onto the "skeptics".

Even the AAAS prediction has been shown to be false. But maybe they were targeting "skeptics" as well.Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #22 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 6:37pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 4:32pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 4:00pm:
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50m environmental refugees by end of decade, UN warns


Would you describe this as an accurate statement, or a demonstration of the gullibility of climate "skeptics"?


It is the gullibility of climate alarmists petal. They made a claim. It has not turned out to be true. It was never likely to be true. They believed.

Much as you want to put it onto the "skeptics".

Even the AAAS prediction has been shown to be false. But maybe they were targeting "skeptics" as well.Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Do you understand what is being said in the quote, or do I need to explain it to you?
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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #23 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 6:41pm
 
FD,
what is a climate skeptic?

Do you mean someone who doesn't believe in
global warming causing an apocalypse?
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Reply #24 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 7:15pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 6:37pm:
Do you understand what is being said in the quote, or do I need to explain it to you?



I know what it means. If you think it means the UN were dissembling and didn't believe their prediction say so.

Nothing to do with "skeptics" or "believers". Wink
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Reply #25 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 7:15pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 6:41pm:
FD,
what is a climate skeptic?

Do you mean someone who doesn't believe in
global warming causing an apocalypse?


Someone who rejects mainstream science out of ignorance and fear.
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Reply #26 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 7:16pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 7:15pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 6:37pm:
Do you understand what is being said in the quote, or do I need to explain it to you?



I know what it means. If you think it means the UN were dissembling and didn't believe their prediction say so.

Nothing to do with "skeptics" or "believers". Wink


Good. Does that mean you won't have any trouble giving a straight answer?

Would you describe this as an accurate statement, or a demonstration of the gullibility of climate "skeptics"?

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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #27 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 7:21pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 7:15pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 6:41pm:
FD,
what is a climate skeptic?

Do you mean someone who doesn't believe in
global warming causing an apocalypse?


Someone who rejects mainstream science out of ignorance and fear.



OK so let's keep it simple -

Someone who believes that global warming will cause an apocalypse.
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Reply #28 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 7:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 7:16pm:
Would you describe this as an accurate statement, or a demonstration of the gullibility of climate "skeptics"?

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50m environmental refugees by end of decade, UN warns


1. It is not an accurate statement as it has proven untrue.
2. It is not a demonstration of the gullibility of climate "skeptics". Unless you label the UN as climate "skeptics".
3. It is a demonstration of the flawed "science".
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Reply #29 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 7:38pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2021 at 7:15pm:
Someone who rejects mainstream science out of ignorance and fear.


Ok. Where does that leave me. I have shown the climate science as espoused by James Hansen, the nominal modern father of climate science.

""The basic physics underlying this global warming, the greenhouse gas effect, is simple. An increase in gases such as CO2 makes the atmosphere more opaque at infrared wavelengths. This added opacity causes the planet’s heat radiation to space to arise from higher, colder levels in the atmosphere, thus reducing emission of heat energy to space. "

https://arxiv.org/abs/1105.1140  Hansen et al 2011

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There is no sudden drastic change in opacity.

...

Out going radiation (OLR) has increased not decreased.

Ergo AGW as espoused by Hansen is debunked. Now that is mainstream science.

And I have no fear of AGW. 0.8C? it changes more than that overnight and daily. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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