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Re: UN - end to coal
Reply #15 - Mar 10^th, 2021 at 9:27pm

lee wrote on Mar 7^th, 2021 at 1:39pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2021 at 12:49pm:

lee wrote on Mar 7^th, 2021 at 11:50am:

The microchips -Silicon - are made with fossil fuelled energy as renewables are not energy dense enough.

And battery storage? It has been estimated that oil would have to be $30,000 a barrel to be cost effective.

Crap.

Very succinct. Try explaining petal.

You are so accustomed to lying that you did not even realise how rediculous this one sounds.

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 21521 Gender:	Re: UN - end to coal Reply #16 - Mar 11^th, 2021 at 5:04pm freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2021 at 9:27pm: You are so accustomed to lying that you did not even realise how rediculous this one sounds. You could of course provide your version of the truth and rebut. With references of course.
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 21521 Gender:	Re: UN - end to coal Reply #17 - Mar 11^th, 2021 at 6:03pm BTW - The South Australian battery, listed as 129MWh cost $90 million. 129MWh is equivalent to about 80 barrels of oil. https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-energy-from-MWh-to-boe.html?val=129 One barrel of oil is worth about $US 68 or Aud $88.10 https://oilprice.com/ 80 barrels times $88.10 = Aud$ 7752.8
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Re: UN - end to coal
Reply #18 - Mar 13^th, 2021 at 7:58am

lee wrote on Mar 11^th, 2021 at 5:04pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2021 at 9:27pm:

You are so accustomed to lying that you did not even realise how rediculous this one sounds.

You could of course provide your version of the truth and rebut. With references of course. Grin

Common sense should suffice.

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And battery storage? It has been estimated that oil would have to be $30,000 a barrel to be cost effective.

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 121997 Melbourne Gender:	Re: UN - end to coal Reply #19 - Mar 13^th, 2021 at 8:09am Why not use dams to store water or even pump water uphill at dams when power is cheap at night? That works as a far more powerful battery to store energy.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53355 At my desk.	Re: UN - end to coal Reply #20 - Mar 13^th, 2021 at 8:19am Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2021 at 8:09am: Why not use dams to store water or even pump water uphill at dams when power is cheap at night? That works as a far more powerful battery to store energy. They already do. Splityard creek for example has been operational since 1984.
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Re: UN - end to coal
Reply #21 - Mar 13^th, 2021 at 8:23am

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2021 at 8:19am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2021 at 8:09am:

Why not use dams to store water or even pump water uphill
at dams when power is cheap at night?
That works as a far more powerful battery to store energy.

They already do. Splityard creek for example has been operational since 1984.

Fair enough and the Snowy system is being upgraded
to store more water to act as a large battery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splityard_Creek_Dam
The Splityard Creek Dam is a rock and earth-fill embankment dam with an un-gated spillway across the Pryde Creek that is located in the South East region of Queensland, Australia. The sole purpose of the dam is for the generation of hydroelectricity.[1] The impounded reservoir is called the Splityard Creek Reservoir.

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Re: UN - end to coal
Reply #22 - Mar 13^th, 2021 at 10:22am

lee wrote on Mar 11^th, 2021 at 6:03pm:

BTW - The South Australian battery, listed as 129MWh cost $90 million.

129MWh is equivalent to about 80 barrels of oil.

https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-energy-from-MWh-to-boe.html?val=129

One barrel of oil is worth about $US 68 or Aud $88.10

https://oilprice.com/

80 barrels times $88.10 = Aud$ 7752.8

When Fossil fuels were discovered they were heralded as

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"CHEAP ENERGY for RICH and POOR alike"

for comparison see post by Lee, above.

Well the oligarchy dont like that statement and think we should be paying through the nose for energy, cant afford it tuff luck.

The Elite run this world and no one is entitled to cheap energy in their books, especially the plebs.

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Re: UN - end to coal
Reply #23 - Mar 13^th, 2021 at 1:39pm

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2021 at 7:58am:

Common sense should suffice.

Congratulations. You have just shown why common sense isn't common. Wink

But perhaps you wanted Australian examples?

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2021 at 7:58am:

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And battery storage? It has been estimated that oil would have to be $30,000 a barrel to be cost effective.

Yep. and I showed where a barrel of oil is nowhere near that price. 80 barrels would cover the SA battery. Grin

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53355 At my desk.	Re: UN - end to coal Reply #24 - Mar 13^th, 2021 at 2:16pm Who made that estimate?
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 21521 Gender:	Re: UN - end to coal Reply #25 - Mar 13^th, 2021 at 3:00pm freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2021 at 2:16pm: Who made that estimate? I made the estimate of 80 barrels. I showed you the workings. If you don't agree with them give us your workings to show I am wrong. At what cost would you expect parity?
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