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Reply #30 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 10:11pm
 
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issuevoter wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:20pm:
See what's happening here? Brian keeps trying to change the subject to the American slave trade and European involvement. Which is OK up to a point, but everyone knows about it. We are inundated with references to that trade and its history. I'll bet he didn't even know about the East African Islamic slave trade, and now he doesn't want to recognise it as an evil as vicious as the Atlantic trade. And he certainly isn't going to talk about it here, after his continuous defense of Islam.


Where have I defended Islam's involvement in this appalling trade?

That reveals a great deal more about your views than mine.  However, slavery would not have existed without a market to sustain it.  Something you are trying to deflect attention from with your condemnation continuously of Islam and Muslims.  It seems, according to your posts, that Europeans and Americans in particular, are blameless in this whole matter.  They weren't.  Particularly here, in Australia where there were no Arabs, no Muslims and only Europeans and Blacks.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Brian, here you go again trying to weasel out of it. My posts do recognise American and European blame, yet you say I don't. That's a damned lie and anyone can read your words. Now read my post again. I didn't say you defended Islamic slavery, I cited your continual defense of Islam. If you want to talk about American slavery, start your own thread.

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Reply #31 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 11:13pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 10:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:24pm:
issuevoter wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:20pm:
See what's happening here? Brian keeps trying to change the subject to the American slave trade and European involvement. Which is OK up to a point, but everyone knows about it. We are inundated with references to that trade and its history. I'll bet he didn't even know about the East African Islamic slave trade, and now he doesn't want to recognise it as an evil as vicious as the Atlantic trade. And he certainly isn't going to talk about it here, after his continuous defense of Islam.


Where have I defended Islam's involvement in this appalling trade?

That reveals a great deal more about your views than mine.  However, slavery would not have existed without a market to sustain it.  Something you are trying to deflect attention from with your condemnation continuously of Islam and Muslims.  It seems, according to your posts, that Europeans and Americans in particular, are blameless in this whole matter.  They weren't.  Particularly here, in Australia where there were no Arabs, no Muslims and only Europeans and Blacks.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Brian, here you go again trying to weasel out of it. My posts do recognise American and European blame, yet you say I don't. That's a damned lie and anyone can read your words. Now read my post again. I didn't say you defended Islamic slavery, I cited your continual defense of Islam. If you want to talk about American slavery, start your own thread.


Do they?  Sure could have fooled me.  I do not defend Islam, I defend Muslims.  Ordinary, everyday, moderate, peace-loving, law-abiding Muslims.  You, like Moses, Yadda, Soren, Baronvert, and all the other Islamophobes seem to have problems differentiating between Muslims and Islamists.  I wonder why?  Something you seem to be confused about.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #32 - Feb 22nd, 2021 at 4:47pm
 
Look Brian, you feign disinterest with your Tisk tisk and yawn, but in fact your agenda is quite clear to your readers; defend Islam at any cost. “Peace loving Muslims? Peaceful, because they remain silent about Islamic atrocities.

I started this thread due to the irony of the American Black Muslim Movement, which is that they do not recognise the huge involvement of Islam in the enslavement of their ancestors. Do I have to state it anymore clearly? Now, if you want to challenge those facts, go right ahead, but stay on topic.

You tried to steer the the conversation around to American slavery and European involvement, as if Islam did not have anything to do with it. In your comments you say nothing of the fact that East African Slavery and castration were carried on untiI 1900 and would have continued if it was not for the intervention by the Europeans of the time, those people you so despise.

I restate my accusation. You were not even aware of the East African Slave Trade until you read the OP.  You are apparently also unaware that the capture of slaves in West Africa was predominantly carried out by Arab and black Muslims who worked in the interior and sold them to white slavers on the coast. Which brings me back to my point about irony and the American Black Muslim Movement. Get it?
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Re: Islamic Slave Trade in Africa
Reply #33 - Feb 22nd, 2021 at 5:12pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 11:13pm:
issuevoter wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 10:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:24pm:
issuevoter wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:20pm:
See what's happening here? Brian keeps trying to change the subject to the American slave trade and European involvement. Which is OK up to a point, but everyone knows about it. We are inundated with references to that trade and its history. I'll bet he didn't even know about the East African Islamic slave trade, and now he doesn't want to recognise it as an evil as vicious as the Atlantic trade. And he certainly isn't going to talk about it here, after his continuous defense of Islam.


Where have I defended Islam's involvement in this appalling trade?

That reveals a great deal more about your views than mine.  However, slavery would not have existed without a market to sustain it.  Something you are trying to deflect attention from with your condemnation continuously of Islam and Muslims.  It seems, according to your posts, that Europeans and Americans in particular, are blameless in this whole matter.  They weren't.  Particularly here, in Australia where there were no Arabs, no Muslims and only Europeans and Blacks.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Brian, here you go again trying to weasel out of it. My posts do recognise American and European blame, yet you say I don't. That's a damned lie and anyone can read your words. Now read my post again. I didn't say you defended Islamic slavery, I cited your continual defense of Islam. If you want to talk about American slavery, start your own thread.


Do they?  Sure could have fooled me.  I do not defend Islam, I defend Muslims.  Ordinary, everyday, moderate, peace-loving, law-abiding Muslims.  You, like Moses, Yadda, Soren, Baronvert, and all the other Islamophobes seem to have problems differentiating between Muslims and Islamists.  I wonder why?  Something you seem to be confused about.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Lemme do a Bbwian to highlight his idiocy:

I do not defend Nazism,  I defend Nazis.  Ordinary, everyday, moderate, peace-loving, law-abiding Nazis.  You, like Moses, Yadda, Soren, Baronvert, and all the other Nazism-phobes seem to have problems differentiating between Nazis and Nazism.  I wonder why?  Something you seem to be confused about.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

OR

I do not defend Communism,  I defend Communists.  Ordinary, everyday, moderate, peace-loving, law-abiding Communists.  You, like Moses, Yadda, Soren, Baronvert, and all the other Communism-phobes seem to have problems differentiating between Communists and Communism.  I wonder why?  Something you seem to be confused about.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

OR

I do not defend Idiocy,  I defend Bwians.  Ordinary, everyday, moderate, peace-loving, law-abiding Bwians.  You, like Moses, Yadda, Soren, Baronvert, and all the other Idiocy- phobes seem to have problems differentiating between Idiocy and Bbwians.  I wonder why?  Something you seem to be confused about.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes





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Re: Islamic Slave Trade in Africa
Reply #34 - Feb 22nd, 2021 at 5:35pm
 
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I do not defend Islam, I defend Muslims.

differentiating between Muslims and Islamists.


What is a muslim?

A muslim practices islam.

What is islam?

islam is a death cult which preaches hate speech, muslim supremacy, rape torture and slaughter of innocent men women and children.

What is a jihadist / islamist?

A jihadists follows the teaching of islam / qur'an and perpetrates human rights atrocities against innocent men women and children.

All jihadists justify their atrocities by quoting the precepts of islam, which advocate human rights atrocities against the innocent non believers.

islam / allah / qur'an / teachings of muhammad, cause and motivate the islamic terrorists, rapists, murderers, thieves, liars and pedophiles.

Every muslim capable of a coherent thought worships the qur'an as the infallible and unchangeable words of allah.

The qur'an is the bedrock of islam and the ultimate authority in the lives of muslims.

Which is worst, the jihadist who commits islamic atrocities or the cause and motivation of said islamic atrocities?

They are equally guilty of despicable, unspeakably evil atrocities.

If a muslim supports the cause and motivation of islamic atrocities, he equally supports the actual islamic atrocities.

There is no difference between *moderates* and jihadists.
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Reply #35 - Feb 22nd, 2021 at 6:16pm
 
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I do not defend Islam


Why not?

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I defend Muslims


Do you also defend Nazis?
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Reply #36 - Feb 22nd, 2021 at 9:15pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Feb 22nd, 2021 at 4:47pm:
Look Brian, you feign disinterest with your Tisk tisk and yawn, but in fact your agenda is quite clear to your readers; defend Islam at any cost. “Peace loving Muslims? Peaceful, because they remain silent about Islamic atrocities.

I started this thread due to the irony of the American Black Muslim Movement, which is that they do not recognise the huge involvement of Islam in the enslavement of their ancestors. Do I have to state it anymore clearly? Now, if you want to challenge those facts, go right ahead, but stay on topic.

You tried to steer the the conversation around to American slavery and European involvement, as if Islam did not have anything to do with it. In your comments you say nothing of the fact that East African Slavery and castration were carried on untiI 1900 and would have continued if it was not for the intervention by the Europeans of the time, those people you so despise.

I restate my accusation. You were not even aware of the East African Slave Trade until you read the OP.  You are apparently also unaware that the capture of slaves in West Africa was predominantly carried out by Arab and black Muslims who worked in the interior and sold them to white slavers on the coast. Which brings me back to my point about irony and the American Black Muslim Movement. Get it?[/size]


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Full of accusations, aren't you?  I was well aware of the East African slave trade.  I have read several histories about it and the involvement of the Royal Navy in it's suppression during the 19th century.  I don't need your reminder to tell me anything about it.

You OTOH needed reminding that most slaves were sold into slavery to satisfy a European market, primarily in North, Central and South America.  Without a market to satisfy, the slave trade would have died.  It took a massive civil war in the USA and several revolutions and military actions to free the numerous slaves held by Europeans in the Americas.   

Slaves also existed in Australia.  The early pearling industry was founded on slavery of Indigenous Australians.  The early cattle industry was founded on the mistreatment and dispossession of Indigenous Australians in the far north of Western Australia and the Northern Territory and far north Queensland.  Something you appear to have ignored in your condemnation exclusively of Muslims.  Such apparent ignorance, such a willingness to point the finger at a group largely innocent of involvement in the Slave Trade.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Islamic Slave Trade in Africa
Reply #37 - Feb 22nd, 2021 at 9:21pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 22nd, 2021 at 5:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 11:13pm:
issuevoter wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 10:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:24pm:
issuevoter wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:20pm:
See what's happening here? Brian keeps trying to change the subject to the American slave trade and European involvement. Which is OK up to a point, but everyone knows about it. We are inundated with references to that trade and its history. I'll bet he didn't even know about the East African Islamic slave trade, and now he doesn't want to recognise it as an evil as vicious as the Atlantic trade. And he certainly isn't going to talk about it here, after his continuous defense of Islam.


Where have I defended Islam's involvement in this appalling trade?

That reveals a great deal more about your views than mine.  However, slavery would not have existed without a market to sustain it.  Something you are trying to deflect attention from with your condemnation continuously of Islam and Muslims.  It seems, according to your posts, that Europeans and Americans in particular, are blameless in this whole matter.  They weren't.  Particularly here, in Australia where there were no Arabs, no Muslims and only Europeans and Blacks.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Brian, here you go again trying to weasel out of it. My posts do recognise American and European blame, yet you say I don't. That's a damned lie and anyone can read your words. Now read my post again. I didn't say you defended Islamic slavery, I cited your continual defense of Islam. If you want to talk about American slavery, start your own thread.


Do they?  Sure could have fooled me.  I do not defend Islam, I defend Muslims.  Ordinary, everyday, moderate, peace-loving, law-abiding Muslims.  You, like Moses, Yadda, Soren, Baronvert, and all the other Islamophobes seem to have problems differentiating between Muslims and Islamists.  I wonder why?  Something you seem to be confused about.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Lemme do a Bbwian to highlight his idiocy:

I do not defend Nazism,  I defend Nazis.  Ordinary, everyday, moderate, peace-loving, law-abiding Nazis.  You, like Moses, Yadda, Soren, Baronvert, and all the other Nazism-phobes seem to have problems differentiating between Nazis and Nazism.  I wonder why?  Something you seem to be confused about.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

OR

I do not defend Communism,  I defend Communists.  Ordinary, everyday, moderate, peace-loving, law-abiding Communists.  You, like Moses, Yadda, Soren, Baronvert, and all the other Communism-phobes seem to have problems differentiating between Communists and Communism.  I wonder why?  Something you seem to be confused about.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

OR

I do not defend Idiocy,  I defend Bwians.  Ordinary, everyday, moderate, peace-loving, law-abiding Bwians.  You, like Moses, Yadda, Soren, Baronvert, and all the other Idiocy- phobes seem to have problems differentiating between Idiocy and Bbwians.  I wonder why?  Something you seem to be confused about.  Tsk, tsk.
   


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Anything of value to add to the thread, Soren?  Anything at all?  No, it doesn't appear so.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Islamic Slave Trade in Africa
Reply #38 - Feb 22nd, 2021 at 9:32pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2021 at 9:15pm:
issuevoter wrote on Feb 22nd, 2021 at 4:47pm:
Look Brian, you feign disinterest with your Tisk tisk and yawn, but in fact your agenda is quite clear to your readers; defend Islam at any cost. “Peace loving Muslims? Peaceful, because they remain silent about Islamic atrocities.

I started this thread due to the irony of the American Black Muslim Movement, which is that they do not recognise the huge involvement of Islam in the enslavement of their ancestors. Do I have to state it anymore clearly? Now, if you want to challenge those facts, go right ahead, but stay on topic.

You tried to steer the the conversation around to American slavery and European involvement, as if Islam did not have anything to do with it. In your comments you say nothing of the fact that East African Slavery and castration were carried on untiI 1900 and would have continued if it was not for the intervention by the Europeans of the time, those people you so despise.

I restate my accusation. You were not even aware of the East African Slave Trade until you read the OP.  You are apparently also unaware that the capture of slaves in West Africa was predominantly carried out by Arab and black Muslims who worked in the interior and sold them to white slavers on the coast. Which brings me back to my point about irony and the American Black Muslim Movement. Get it?[/size]


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Full of accusations, aren't you?  I was well aware of the East African slave trade. 



You are lying again, Bbwian. You are aware of nothing, you are lying about everything.



The African slave trade was started by....er.....Africans.
And flourished for a 1000 years under Islam.





The sale of African slaves can be traced back to antiquity. It became popular in the seventh century when Islam was gaining strength in North Africa. This was seven centuries before Europeans explored the continent and ten centuries before West Africans were sold across the Atlantic to America.

Zanzinbar's former slave holding center
Zanzibar's Prison Island was the place where slaves were kept before being transported to other destinations

Back then, Arab Muslims in North and East Africa sold captured Africans to the Middle East. There, they worked as field workers, teachers or harem guards, which is why the castration of male slaves was common practice. Muslims, on the other hand, including African Muslims, were not allowed to be enslaved, according to Islamic legal views.

"Initially, the Arab Muslims in Eastern and Central Europe took white slaves to sell them to Arabia," Senegalese author Tidiane N'Diaye told DW in an interview. "But  the growing military power of Europe put an end to Islamic expansion and now that there was a shortage of slaves, Arab Muslims were looking massively to black Africa."

Roots of slavery in Africa

According to N'Diaye, slavery has existed in practically all civilizations. This was also the case in Africa before settlers came.

In central East Africa, ethnic groups such as the Yao, Makua and Marava were fighting against each other and entire peoples within the continent traded with people they had captured through wars. "Thus Arab Muslims encountered already existing structures, which facilitated the purchase of slaves for their purposes."

https://www.dw.com/en/east-africas-forgotten-slave-trade/a-50126759


Where IS Zanzibar, oh-so-aware-yawning-cockwomble?  Can you find it on the map?
Hint... its in.... East Africa.

Ignore it, yawn and switch, Bbwian. Oh - and roll those blind eyes. There's  a good mad auntie.

How's  yor knitting going?




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Reply #39 - Feb 23rd, 2021 at 12:06am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 22nd, 2021 at 9:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2021 at 9:15pm:
issuevoter wrote on Feb 22nd, 2021 at 4:47pm:
Look Brian, you feign disinterest with your Tisk tisk and yawn, but in fact your agenda is quite clear to your readers; defend Islam at any cost. “Peace loving Muslims? Peaceful, because they remain silent about Islamic atrocities.

I started this thread due to the irony of the American Black Muslim Movement, which is that they do not recognise the huge involvement of Islam in the enslavement of their ancestors. Do I have to state it anymore clearly? Now, if you want to challenge those facts, go right ahead, but stay on topic.

You tried to steer the the conversation around to American slavery and European involvement, as if Islam did not have anything to do with it. In your comments you say nothing of the fact that East African Slavery and castration were carried on untiI 1900 and would have continued if it was not for the intervention by the Europeans of the time, those people you so despise.

I restate my accusation. You were not even aware of the East African Slave Trade until you read the OP.  You are apparently also unaware that the capture of slaves in West Africa was predominantly carried out by Arab and black Muslims who worked in the interior and sold them to white slavers on the coast. Which brings me back to my point about irony and the American Black Muslim Movement. Get it?[/size]


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Full of accusations, aren't you?  I was well aware of the East African slave trade. 


You are lying again, Bbwian. You are aware of nothing, you are lying about everything.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me,  as usual, no evidence is presented.  The only person lying here is yourself, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #40 - Feb 23rd, 2021 at 2:07am
 
Africans created Slavery in Africa so they can blame White Americans for it.
Africans created Slavery in Africa so they can blame all White People for it.
Any White People who do not bow down to the Black Dog of guilt are White Supremacists.

Guess White People have a little way to go before they realise the 'Rainbow Serpent' in their Garden.  Wink

God (Europe) created Adam (Namerica)
Lilith (Asia) would not serve Adam.
God (Europe) then created Eve (Australia)
who showed Adam (Namerica) the Black Rainbow Serpent in her garden that belonged to Lucifer (Africa).
Lilith (Asia) ran off into the night for Lucifer (Africa).

Let's not go into Samerica, Middle-East, Oceania and their roles. Might be too complicated for some of yas.  Cheesy
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Reply #41 - Feb 23rd, 2021 at 2:28pm
 
Slavery existed for thousands of years globally before there was any white agricultural slavery.

White Christians stopped slavery.

African blacks and muslims continued slavery long after the white man had outlawed it.
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Reply #42 - Feb 23rd, 2021 at 2:43pm
 
moses wrote on Feb 23rd, 2021 at 2:28pm:
Slavery existed for thousands of years globally before there was any white agricultural slavery.

White Christians stopped slavery.

African blacks and muslims continued slavery long after the white man had outlawed it.


White Christians used the Bible to justify their possession of their fellow human beings.  They believed "slavery" was a god given proof of the existence of Yahweh.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #43 - Feb 23rd, 2021 at 4:35pm
 
Biden should be removed for propogating the Slavery Lie and condemning white Americans to a life of guilt and shame. White women paint
"I'm a Racist"
on their faces and body as they are fed to the Black meat in another Porn Clip.

Talk about White American 'slaves' to the Black Africa and Yellow Asia.
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Reply #44 - Feb 23rd, 2021 at 5:55pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23rd, 2021 at 2:43pm:
moses wrote on Feb 23rd, 2021 at 2:28pm:
Slavery existed for thousands of years globally before there was any white agricultural slavery.

White Christians stopped slavery.

African blacks and muslims continued slavery long after the white man had outlawed it.


White Christians used the Bible to justify their possession of their fellow human beings.  They believed "slavery" was a god given proof of the existence of Yahweh.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

You make it up as you go, confusing Islam with Christianity, the lying worm that you are.


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