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Reply #45 - Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 7:35pm

moses wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 4:55pm:

The 50's & 60's were a far cry from the world today.

Practically everybody left the keys in their car when they went to town for a day / night out, (keys left in the ignition, windows down, doors unlocked).

Old ladies could walk the streets in total safety, it was unthinkable that some twisted prick would knock them down and steal their handbag.

Girls could walk the streets at night in absolute safety, again unthinkable that some gutless coward would rape them.

Children all used to walk to school in absolute safety, once more unthinkable that some pedophile would kidnap them and take them and rape them.

People lived / slept in unlocked houses, secure in the knowledge that home was their domain, no one would enter with iniquitous intent.

Then leftwing social engineering began to over ride all aspects of life.

Today society is disintegrating everywhere.

Leftwing social engineering / political correctness rules, people indoctrinated from pre-school on, universities riddled with the leftwing concept.

Oh well it's our choice the leftards are on a roll at the moment, just how far we have to sink into the sewer before we start to turn around, remains to be seen.

Yeah? I leave my doors and windows open here in Granville, circa 2021. Dropped my wallet once, and some Chow down the road handed it to the Granville Police Station. The Curries over the road bring me my mail when Australia Post gets it wrong. A Whitey down the road mows my nature strip because I'm too lazy to do it. And we all share the parking spots with visitors to the Granville Mosque.

I walk around night and day. I've never once felt threatened and I live in one of the most diverse postcodes in Australia. Chows, Curries, Crackers, Muslims.

Oh, in case you're wondering, I'm a White person. I feel safer now than I felt in the Western Sydney of the 1980s. That's my own personal experience, and I didn't read it in the UK Daily Mail.

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Re: Australia's cultural diversity rank is 139
Reply #46 - Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 7:47pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 5:02pm:

moses wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 4:55pm:

The 50's & 60's were a far cry from the world today.

Practically everybody left the keys in their car when they went to town for a day / night out, (keys left in the ignition, windows down, doors unlocked).

Old ladies could walk the streets in total safety, it was unthinkable that some twisted prick would knock them down and steal their handbag.

Girls could walk the streets at night in absolute safety, again unthinkable that some gutless coward would rape them.

Children all used to walk to school in absolute safety, once more unthinkable that some pedophile would kidnap them and take them and rape them.

People lived / slept in unlocked houses, secure in the knowledge that home was their domain, no one would enter with iniquitous intent.

Then leftwing social engineering began to over ride all aspects of life.

Today society is disintegrating everywhere.

Leftwing social engineering / political correctness rules, people indoctrinated from pre-school on, universities riddled with the leftwing concept.

Oh well it's our choice the leftards are on a roll at the moment, just how far we have to sink into the sewer before we start to turn around, remains to be seen.

Nothing like hyperbolic nostalgia to make you want to live in someone else's over-gilded memory.

Memories, no? My dad regales me with tales of pub fights back in the 60s. And I remember suburbs in Sydney you couldn't even go in the 1980s.

I remember wars between punks and skinheads, and I know people who were poofter-bashed close to death. Back then, you'd actually see groups of kids on trains on Friday and Saturday night, heading out for a blue. Back then, violence was literally a recreational pastime.

Modern Australia is far less violent.than it was.

Who knows? They say it has something to do with taking the lead out of petrol, but then, from what I hear, the 1920s and 30s were even more violent still.

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Re: Australia's cultural diversity rank is 139
Reply #47 - Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 8:01pm

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 7:47pm:

Memories, no? My dad regales me with tales of pub fights back in the 60s. And I remember suburbs in Sydney you couldn't even go in the 1980s.

I remember wars between punks and skinheads, and I know people who were poofter-bashed close to death. Back then, you'd actually see groups of kids on trains on Friday and Saturday night, heading out for a blue. Back then, violence was literally a recreational pastime.

Modern Australia is far less violent.than it was.

Who knows? They say it has something to do with taking the lead out of petrol, but then, from what I hear, the 1920s and 30s were even more violent still.

Yes... It's never the times that were great when we look back... It's the fact we were young.

After all, the great depression and WW2 don't sound like compliments of the times from a Shangri La... But ask uber-geriatrics (if you can find them, they're getting rarer) and they'll tell you it was a bloody paradise.

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Reply #48 - Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 8:24pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 8:01pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 7:47pm:

Memories, no? My dad regales me with tales of pub fights back in the 60s. And I remember suburbs in Sydney you couldn't even go in the 1980s.

I remember wars between punks and skinheads, and I know people who were poofter-bashed close to death. Back then, you'd actually see groups of kids on trains on Friday and Saturday night, heading out for a blue. Back then, violence was literally a recreational pastime.

Modern Australia is far less violent.than it was.

Who knows? They say it has something to do with taking the lead out of petrol, but then, from what I hear, the 1920s and 30s were even more violent still.

Yes... It's never the times that were great when we look back... It's the fact we were young.

After all, the great depression and WW2 don't sound like compliments of the times from a Shangri La... But ask uber-geriatrics (if you can find them, they're getting rarer) and they'll tell you it was a bloody paradise.

Violent crime has dropped by over half since the 1950s. It's called the Great Crime Drop. It happened all through the Western world from the early 90s on.

Some put it down to taking the lead out of petrol, but prosperity has also grown. While wages growth has continued to stagnate after the GFC, it grew after the Hawke/Keating reforms - nearly 30 years of steady economic growth.

Part of that is liberal market reforms, but immigration has played a critical role. Far from creating violence, immigration has added to economic growth, and this has created a safer society.

There's no questioning these facts. We're living longer, we're richer and we're a far less violent society than we were in the 1950s.

What has changed is equality. Inequality of wealth has grown, becoming more concentrated than ever. This leads to the resentments posted by Moses et al. What they see in the politics of race is actually class. The Nazis exploited these resentments just as the Trumps and white nationalists do today.

Get busy living or get busy dying, leftards. From ancient Rome and Byzantium to modern Manhattan, London and Sydney, cosmopolitan cultural diversity has made us all richer, and ultimately stronger. We beat the Nazis, no?

We will make America great again, yes?

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Re: Australia's cultural diversity rank is 139
Reply #49 - Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 8:28pm

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 8:24pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 8:01pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 7:47pm:

Memories, no? My dad regales me with tales of pub fights back in the 60s. And I remember suburbs in Sydney you couldn't even go in the 1980s.

I remember wars between punks and skinheads, and I know people who were poofter-bashed close to death. Back then, you'd actually see groups of kids on trains on Friday and Saturday night, heading out for a blue. Back then, violence was literally a recreational pastime.

Modern Australia is far less violent.than it was.

Who knows? They say it has something to do with taking the lead out of petrol, but then, from what I hear, the 1920s and 30s were even more violent still.

Yes... It's never the times that were great when we look back... It's the fact we were young.

After all, the great depression and WW2 don't sound like compliments of the times from a Shangri La... But ask uber-geriatrics (if you can find them, they're getting rarer) and they'll tell you it was a bloody paradise.

Violent crime has dropped by over half since the 1950s. It's called the Great Crime Drop. It happened all through the Western world from the early 90s on.

Some put it down to taking the lead out of petrol, but prosperity has also grown. While wages growth has continued to stagnate after the GFC, it grew after the Hawke/Keating reforms - nearly 30 years of steady economic growth.

Part of that is liberal market reforms, but immigration has played a critical role. Far from creating violence, immigration has added to economic growth, and this has created a safer society.

There's no questioning these facts. We're living longer, we're richer and we're a far less violent society than we were in the 1950s.

What has changed is equality. Inequality of wealth has grown, becoming more concentrated than ever. This leads to the resentments posted by Moses et al. What they see in the politics of race is actually class. The Nazis exploited these resentments just as the Trumps and white nationalists do today.

Get busy living or get busy dying, leftards. From ancient Rome and Byzantium to modern Manhattan, London and Sydney, cosmopolitan cultural diversity has made us all richer, and ultimately stronger. We beat the Nazis, no?

We will make America great again, yes?

You'll have to read some Steven Pinker (if you haven't already)... His latest book 'Enlightenment Now' - "argues that the Enlightenment values of reason, science, and humanism have brought progress; shows our progress with data that health, prosperity, safety, peace, and happiness have tended to rise worldwide; and explains the cognitive science of why this progress should be appreciated. It is a follow-up to Pinker's 2011 book, The Better Angels of Our Nature."

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Re: Australia's cultural diversity rank is 139
Reply #50 - Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 10:29pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 8:28pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 8:24pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 8:01pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 7:47pm:

Memories, no? My dad regales me with tales of pub fights back in the 60s. And I remember suburbs in Sydney you couldn't even go in the 1980s.

I remember wars between punks and skinheads, and I know people who were poofter-bashed close to death. Back then, you'd actually see groups of kids on trains on Friday and Saturday night, heading out for a blue. Back then, violence was literally a recreational pastime.

Modern Australia is far less violent.than it was.

Who knows? They say it has something to do with taking the lead out of petrol, but then, from what I hear, the 1920s and 30s were even more violent still.

Yes... It's never the times that were great when we look back... It's the fact we were young.

After all, the great depression and WW2 don't sound like compliments of the times from a Shangri La... But ask uber-geriatrics (if you can find them, they're getting rarer) and they'll tell you it was a bloody paradise.

Violent crime has dropped by over half since the 1950s. It's called the Great Crime Drop. It happened all through the Western world from the early 90s on.

Some put it down to taking the lead out of petrol, but prosperity has also grown. While wages growth has continued to stagnate after the GFC, it grew after the Hawke/Keating reforms - nearly 30 years of steady economic growth.

Part of that is liberal market reforms, but immigration has played a critical role. Far from creating violence, immigration has added to economic growth, and this has created a safer society.

There's no questioning these facts. We're living longer, we're richer and we're a far less violent society than we were in the 1950s.

What has changed is equality. Inequality of wealth has grown, becoming more concentrated than ever. This leads to the resentments posted by Moses et al. What they see in the politics of race is actually class. The Nazis exploited these resentments just as the Trumps and white nationalists do today.

Get busy living or get busy dying, leftards. From ancient Rome and Byzantium to modern Manhattan, London and Sydney, cosmopolitan cultural diversity has made us all richer, and ultimately stronger. We beat the Nazis, no?

We will make America great again, yes?

You'll have to read some Steven Pinker (if you haven't already)... His latest book 'Enlightenment Now' - "argues that the Enlightenment values of reason, science, and humanism have brought progress; shows our progress with data that health, prosperity, safety, peace, and happiness have tended to rise worldwide; and explains the cognitive science of why this progress should be appreciated. It is a follow-up to Pinker's 2011 book, The Better Angels of Our Nature."

Thanks, North, I'm curious. I'm keen to know more. After all, this is no "leftie" phenomenon. I hardly identify as left anyway, but I did not swallow these facts easily.

Howard, remember, supported every one of those Keating reforms. I myself at the time, did not.

Liberal market reforms, of course, made no one happy. What they did was create wealth. This led to longer lifespans, home ownership, improved industrial relations or "human resources" in the neoliberal parlance.

As Neville Wran famously said, if you want philosophy, join the Hare Krishnas. The purpose of the social democratic parties is to create wealth for all. I have to say, as a citizen/consumer, I've reaped the rewards of those liberal market reforms.

I have a safe job, a house, an Opal card and a bicycle. The union does fuck all anymore, but they no longer need to. I have Medicare, super, a better wage than most of Europe, America, the UK and New Zealand, and I earn the Australian average wage.

This doesn't make me happy, it provides security. Because of this, I don't need to do crime. It's why my suburb is so safe. I grew here, but I'm no different to all those immigrants on my street, even though we may all find happiness in our different ways.

The Granville of the 1960s, like many working class suburbs, was riveted with poverty and crime. Not anymore.

Australia today is fundamentally different to the society my parents lived in during the 60s. My parents know this all too well. No matter how much they may complain, they've reaped the dividends more than most. The value of their homes alone puts them in the top 1% of global wealth.

We won't give this up to sell tabloid ad space, Trump and Brexit. We won't play the politics of fear and hate. We respect our neighbours, they're one of us. They're friends.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? In moments of sobriety like this, I realize I've been blessed.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57092 Gender:	Re: Australia's cultural diversity rank is 139 Reply #52 - Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:17am Your analysis is flaws, pb. China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration. Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen. No developed country needs mass immigration.
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Reply #53 - Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:36am

Frank wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:17am:

China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration. Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen.

No developed country needs mass immigration.

Given Eastern Europe emerged from the hellhole of the Soviet Union; China and most of Asia were similarly economic shitholes up until very recently... They started with a very low measure to exceed.

What will happen as the Chinese average age (due largely to its decades-long one-child policy) begins to increase too rapidly? Where will they find youth? (dare I say it?! Youth in Asia?)

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Reply #54 - Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:46am

KNorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:36am:

Frank wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:17am:

China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration. Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen.

No developed country needs mass immigration.

Given Eastern Europe emerged from the hellhole of the Soviet Union; China and most of Asia were similarly economic shitholes up until very recently... They started with a very low measure to exceed.

What will happen as the Chinese average age (due largely to its decades-long one-child policy) begins to increase too rapidly? Where will they find youth? (dare I say it?! Youth in Asia?)

The point - no mass immigration is necessary to achieve economic growth in the past 30 years.

There is no compelling economic argument for mass immigration.

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Reply #55 - Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:54am

Frank wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:46am:

KNorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:36am:

Frank wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:17am:

China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration. Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen.

No developed country needs mass immigration.

Given Eastern Europe emerged from the hellhole of the Soviet Union; China and most of Asia were similarly economic shitholes up until very recently... They started with a very low measure to exceed.

What will happen as the Chinese average age (due largely to its decades-long one-child policy) begins to increase too rapidly? Where will they find youth? (dare I say it?! Youth in Asia?)

The point - no mass immigration is necessary to achieve economic growth in the past 30 years.

There is no compelling economic argument for mass immigration.

Until you run out of young citizens or those who want to have families.

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Reply #56 - Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 12:55pm

Frank wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:46am:

KNorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:36am:

Frank wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:17am:

China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration. Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen.

No developed country needs mass immigration.

Given Eastern Europe emerged from the hellhole of the Soviet Union; China and most of Asia were similarly economic shitholes up until very recently... They started with a very low measure to exceed.

What will happen as the Chinese average age (due largely to its decades-long one-child policy) begins to increase too rapidly? Where will they find youth? (dare I say it?! Youth in Asia?)

The point - no mass immigration is necessary to achieve economic growth in the past 30 years.

There is no compelling economic argument for mass immigration.

Japan as a case study. An aging population requires young people, AI may save us from that dilemma but its a way off.

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Re: Australia's cultural diversity rank is 139
Reply #57 - Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 12:57pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:54am:

Frank wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:46am:

KNorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:36am:

Frank wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:17am:

China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration. Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen.

No developed country needs mass immigration.

Given Eastern Europe emerged from the hellhole of the Soviet Union; China and most of Asia were similarly economic shitholes up until very recently... They started with a very low measure to exceed.

What will happen as the Chinese average age (due largely to its decades-long one-child policy) begins to increase too rapidly? Where will they find youth? (dare I say it?! Youth in Asia?)

The point - no mass immigration is necessary to achieve economic growth in the past 30 years.

There is no compelling economic argument for mass immigration.

Until you run out of young citizens or those who want to have families.

which most of the western world has, a rapidly declining fertility and birth rate across the Western world.

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