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Feb 7th, 2021 at 4:25am
 

Vaccines and innoculations are probably the most effective medicine we have invented.

Historically they have had a very good result.

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................. Just like any medication or procedure, no vaccine can be 100% safe or effective for everyone because each person's body can react differently.[32][33] While minor side effects, such as soreness or low grade fever, are relatively common, serious side effects are very rare and occur in about 1 out of every 100,000 vaccinations and typically involve allergic reactions that can cause hives or difficulty breathing.[34][35] However, vaccines are the safest they ever have been in history and each vaccine undergoes rigorous clinical trials to ensure their safety and efficacy before FDA approval.[36]

Prior to human testing, vaccines are run through computer algorithms to model how they will interact with the immune system and are tested on cells in a culture.[34][36] During the next round of testing, researchers study vaccines in animals, including mice, rabbits, guinea pigs, and monkeys.[34] Vaccines that pass each of these stages of testing are then approved by the FDA to start a three-phase series of human testing, advancing to higher phases only if they are deemed safe and effective at the previous phase.                ............


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Reply #1 - Feb 7th, 2021 at 4:28am
 
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[url]By WHO’s Global Health Observatory - https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination, CC BY 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=77614306[/url]
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Reply #2 - Feb 7th, 2021 at 10:17am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 4:25am:
Vaccines and innoculations are probably the most effective medicine we have invented.

Historically they have had a very good result.



They have saved millions of lives
Polio, Tetanus, Hepatitus A & B, Rubella, Measles, Whooping Cough, small pox, Mumps, Tuberculosis

All diseases we rarely hear much about these days thanks to vaccination.
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Reply #3 - Feb 7th, 2021 at 11:44am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 10:17am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 4:25am:
Vaccines and innoculations are probably the most effective medicine we have invented.

Historically they have had a very good result.



They have saved millions of lives
Polio, Tetanus, Hepatitus A & B, Rubella, Measles, Whooping Cough, small pox, Mumps, Tuberculosis

All diseases we rarely hear much about these days thanks to vaccination.


Some vaccinations haven't been safe though ....

Certain vaccines have had adverse outcomes identified after being used in mass vaccination programs. In 1976 in the United States, a mass vaccination program swine flu vaccine was discontinued after cases of Guillain–Barré syndrome. William Foege of the CDC estimated that the incidence of Guillain-Barré was four times higher in vaccinated people than in those not receiving the swine flu vaccine. Dengvaxia, the only approved, vaccine for Dengue fever, was found to increase the risk of hospitalization for Dengue fever by 1.58 times in children of 9 years or younger, resulting in the suspension of a mass vaccination program in the Philippines in 2017.[37] Pandemrix a vaccine for the H1N1 pandemic of 2009 given to around 31 million people [33] was found to have a higher level of adverse events than alternative vaccines resulting in legal action.[38] In a response to the narcolepsy reports following immunization with Pandemrix, the CDC carried out a population-based study and found the FDA-approved 2009 H1N1 flu shots were not associated with an increased risk for the neurological disorder. [39]



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Reply #4 - Feb 7th, 2021 at 12:07pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 11:44am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 10:17am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 4:25am:
Vaccines and innoculations are probably the most effective medicine we have invented.

Historically they have had a very good result.



They have saved millions of lives
Polio, Tetanus, Hepatitus A & B, Rubella, Measles, Whooping Cough, small pox, Mumps, Tuberculosis

All diseases we rarely hear much about these days thanks to vaccination.


Some vaccinations haven't been safe though ....

Certain vaccines have had adverse outcomes identified after being used in mass vaccination programs. In 1976 in the United States, a mass vaccination program swine flu vaccine was discontinued after cases of Guillain–Barré syndrome. William Foege of the CDC estimated that the incidence of Guillain-Barré was four times higher in vaccinated people than in those not receiving the swine flu vaccine. Dengvaxia, the only approved, vaccine for Dengue fever, was found to increase the risk of hospitalization for Dengue fever by 1.58 times in children of 9 years or younger, resulting in the suspension of a mass vaccination program in the Philippines in 2017.[37] Pandemrix a vaccine for the H1N1 pandemic of 2009 given to around 31 million people [33] was found to have a higher level of adverse events than alternative vaccines resulting in legal action.[38] In a response to the narcolepsy reports following immunization with Pandemrix, the CDC carried out a population-based study and found the FDA-approved 2009 H1N1 flu shots were not associated with an increased risk for the neurological disorder. [39]






But still safer than the disease they prevent
The tiny number of adverse reactions in both of those cases meant that there was no proven link with the vaccine

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Reply #5 - Feb 7th, 2021 at 12:20pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 10:17am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 4:25am:
Vaccines and innoculations are probably the most effective medicine we have invented.

Historically they have had a very good result.



They have saved millions of lives
Polio, Tetanus, Hepatitus A & B, Rubella, Measles, Whooping Cough, small pox, Mumps, Tuberculosis

All diseases we rarely hear much about these days thanks to vaccination.


My sister has whooping cough, when I was very young so I don't remember it. She coughed for something like 6 months !
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Reply #6 - Feb 7th, 2021 at 12:54pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 12:07pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 11:44am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 10:17am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 4:25am:
Vaccines and innoculations are probably the most effective medicine we have invented.

Historically they have had a very good result.



They have saved millions of lives
Polio, Tetanus, Hepatitus A & B, Rubella, Measles, Whooping Cough, small pox, Mumps, Tuberculosis

All diseases we rarely hear much about these days thanks to vaccination.


Some vaccinations haven't been safe though ....

Certain vaccines have had adverse outcomes identified after being used in mass vaccination programs. In 1976 in the United States, a mass vaccination program swine flu vaccine was discontinued after cases of Guillain–Barré syndrome. William Foege of the CDC estimated that the incidence of Guillain-Barré was four times higher in vaccinated people than in those not receiving the swine flu vaccine. Dengvaxia, the only approved, vaccine for Dengue fever, was found to increase the risk of hospitalization for Dengue fever by 1.58 times in children of 9 years or younger, resulting in the suspension of a mass vaccination program in the Philippines in 2017.[37] Pandemrix a vaccine for the H1N1 pandemic of 2009 given to around 31 million people [33] was found to have a higher level of adverse events than alternative vaccines resulting in legal action.[38] In a response to the narcolepsy reports following immunization with Pandemrix, the CDC carried out a population-based study and found the FDA-approved 2009 H1N1 flu shots were not associated with an increased risk for the neurological disorder. [39]






But still safer than the disease they prevent
The tiny number of adverse reactions in both of those cases meant that there was no proven link with the vaccine



That's what they tell you, but we need to be wary with these new "rushed" Covid vaccines

I'm not an anti-vaxxer but I remember getting a polio jab in primary school, except I never knew it was a polio vaccine till years later, don't know that my parents even knew that I got it. In those days you just did what you were ordered to do. We were marched across the road to a hall where grown ups were sticking needles in our arms and saying nothing. Very sneaky hey!

Btw, A Pfizer vaccine costs $25 to produce. An Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine costs $5 to produce

Which one would you rather be jabbed with?

Will the Govt cost cut and buy the cheaper vaccine? How will you know which one you're getting?


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Reply #7 - Feb 7th, 2021 at 5:43pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 12:20pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 10:17am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 4:25am:
Vaccines and innoculations are probably the most effective medicine we have invented.

Historically they have had a very good result.



They have saved millions of lives
Polio, Tetanus, Hepatitus A & B, Rubella, Measles, Whooping Cough, small pox, Mumps, Tuberculosis

All diseases we rarely hear much about these days thanks to vaccination.


My sister has whooping cough, when I was very young so I don't remember it. She coughed for something like 6 months !


Both my oldest and my wife caught whooping cough when my son was about 10 - 12 months old ... he had a fairly mild case and got over it within a few weeks, wife took a few weeks longer but she was coughing so hard she bruised her ribs ... and they were both vaccinated ... I would hate to see what it does to you without the vaccine
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Reply #8 - Feb 7th, 2021 at 5:51pm
 
Apart from the usual vaccines we all get plus the yearly flu jab, I've had some exotics like rabies, japanese encephalitis and I will get covid, but I won't be rushing to the head of the line.
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Reply #9 - Feb 7th, 2021 at 6:14pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 12:54pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 12:07pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 11:44am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 10:17am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 4:25am:
Vaccines and innoculations are probably the most effective medicine we have invented.

Historically they have had a very good result.



They have saved millions of lives
Polio, Tetanus, Hepatitus A & B, Rubella, Measles, Whooping Cough, small pox, Mumps, Tuberculosis

All diseases we rarely hear much about these days thanks to vaccination.


Some vaccinations haven't been safe though ....

Certain vaccines have had adverse outcomes identified after being used in mass vaccination programs. In 1976 in the United States, a mass vaccination program swine flu vaccine was discontinued after cases of Guillain–Barré syndrome. William Foege of the CDC estimated that the incidence of Guillain-Barré was four times higher in vaccinated people than in those not receiving the swine flu vaccine. Dengvaxia, the only approved, vaccine for Dengue fever, was found to increase the risk of hospitalization for Dengue fever by 1.58 times in children of 9 years or younger, resulting in the suspension of a mass vaccination program in the Philippines in 2017.[37] Pandemrix a vaccine for the H1N1 pandemic of 2009 given to around 31 million people [33] was found to have a higher level of adverse events than alternative vaccines resulting in legal action.[38] In a response to the narcolepsy reports following immunization with Pandemrix, the CDC carried out a population-based study and found the FDA-approved 2009 H1N1 flu shots were not associated with an increased risk for the neurological disorder. [39]






But still safer than the disease they prevent
The tiny number of adverse reactions in both of those cases meant that there was no proven link with the vaccine



That's what they tell you, but we need to be wary with these new "rushed" Covid vaccines

I'm not an anti-vaxxer but I remember getting a polio jab in primary school, except I never knew it was a polio vaccine till years later, don't know that my parents even knew that I got it. In those days you just did what you were ordered to do. We were marched across the road to a hall where grown ups were sticking needles in our arms and saying nothing. Very sneaky hey!

Btw, A Pfizer vaccine costs $25 to produce. An Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine costs $5 to produce

Which one would you rather be jabbed with?

Will the Govt cost cut and buy the cheaper vaccine? How will you know which one you're getting?





I think these are not 'new' vaccines.
Any new medicines take about 7 years to get clearance.
These ones are old ones that have been tweaked.

I believe the oxford one is stored at 4 degrees.
Another vaccine has to be stored at -78 degrees.
That could be significant in the real world.
Everyone has a normal fridge, it's easy to find one of those in an emergency

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.......   AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine candidate, dubbed AZD1222, can be stored and transported at normal refrigerated temps of 2 degrees to 8 degrees Celsius (36 degrees to 46 degrees Fahrenheit) for at least six months and can be administered in "existing healthcare settings," giving the shot a major logistics leg up over a leading mRNA-based competitor that requires ultra-cold storage.         ............




https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/24/health/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine.html
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Reply #10 - Feb 8th, 2021 at 12:42pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 7th, 2021 at 6:14pm:
I think these are not 'new' vaccines.
Any new medicines take about 7 years to get clearance.
These ones are old ones that have been tweaked.

I believe the oxford one is stored at 4 degrees.
Another vaccine has to be stored at -78 degrees.
That could be significant in the real world.
Everyone has a normal fridge, it's easy to find one of those in an emergency



Well it looks like the Govt has ordered the cheap $5.00 vaccine before it's even been fully tested and approved

Five dollars doesn't sound much and no doubt that's why the Govt can afford to say it will be "free a charge" to the public (and win the next election)

However, the real price could end up being double or triple that because of transport costs, storage costs, handing charges, foreign taxes and distribution costs

You can see why the Govt would reject a $25 vaccine, it would be just too costly by the time it was jabbed into arms

The Govt is doing it all within the doctrine of "Socialized Medicine" to win over the collective sheeple. If the Govt works their political expediency right, there's votes in it for them - votes are important, more important than a vaccine

What I would personally like to do as far as getting vaccinated, is to wait until a vaccine has been proved to be very well trialed and successful, and get the the top of the range that's less prone to impart side effects than all the others. Since vaccination is voluntary, and it should remain voluntary, I would like to get vaccinated as a private sheep at a private clinic and pay whatever it costs out of my own pocket. I'd imagine it would be no more than $100. Not sure we can do things like that these days but it's what I'd prefer to do

I won't be getting jabbed with a "$5" needle, I'll turn that one down. I don't need to worry about it anyway, I made the smart move of decentralizing from the big city years ago and now living safely in the bush. I could tell things like this virus would happen from the advent of globalization, mass immigration and the general lack of concern about the filthy conditions of take-away food shops in the suburbs of Sydney (which was one thing that told me no one cared about our health, so I wasn't surprised that this virus came into Australia) 

Good judgement on my part to get away from the big city, and keep away, it's going to the dogs

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Reply #11 - Feb 8th, 2021 at 12:47pm
 
I could tell things like this virus would happen from the advent of globalization, mass immigration and the general lack of concern about the filthy conditions of take-away food shops in the suburbs of Sydney



What does problems of food borne illnesses have to do with this.
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 8th, 2021 at 12:47pm:
I could tell things like this virus would happen from the advent of globalization, mass immigration and the general lack of concern about the filthy conditions of take-away food shops in the suburbs of Sydney



What does problems of food borne illnesses have to do with this.


Well read the rest ....

(which was one thing that told me no one cared about our health, so I wasn't surprised that this virus came into Australia)


Consumers were getting salmonella sickness and upset tummies, I got it myself. I stopped patronizing them and complained to the Local Council, armed with photos I took on the sly, about the condition of the shops - not much was done about them

Lockdowns due to Covid were the best thing that could happen, to keep people away from these filthy shops, to protect the public, in more ways than one 
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Reply #13 - Feb 8th, 2021 at 1:45pm
 
Consumers were getting salmonella sickness and upset tummies, I got it myself. I stopped patronizing them and complained to the Local Council, armed with photos I took on the sly, about the condition of the shops - not much was done about them



Probably because they inspect them all the time. And again what does food borne illness have to do with airborne illness?
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Reply #14 - Feb 8th, 2021 at 3:13pm
 
Read this once more, hopefully one day you'll get what it means ...

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which was one thing that told me no one cared about our health
, so I wasn't surprised that this virus came into Australia)



Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 8th, 2021 at 1:45pm:
Probably because they inspect them all the time.



If they did, they turned a blind eye. Only a few shops came up to scratch. The rest, 80%, were pigsties, and probably still are, but now they have to sanitize their sh!tty hands and wipe down counters, chairs and tables

Food poisoning or viruses - our attitudes towards protecting our health have been abysmal. Though I might have failed to get Local Governments full attention, Covid may yet get them to wake up
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