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Question: Coronavirus - Are you going to get the jab?
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Reply #90 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:16pm
 
rhino wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:11pm:
I have repeatedly shown you that these vaccines have not undergone the standard of testing previously required, they have been rushed through. And Im certainly not going to take a vaccination which has not been tested appropriately for side effects so that people like UnsubRocky dont have to.



Again argument from incredulity. Its been explained time and time again, that the period in between the phases was rushed through, not the phases themselves.
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Reply #91 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:17pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:15pm:
rhino wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:11pm:
I have repeatedly shown you that these vaccines have not undergone the standard of testing previously required, they have been rushed through. And Im certainly not going to take a vaccination which has not been tested appropriately for side effects so that people like UnsubRocky dont have to.


You have shown nothing apart from internet conspiracies. As I posted earlier, I raised these concerns with someone who works in the medical testing field and she was quite happy with the way things have been implemented for this vaccine.
Australian government information is conspiracy theories now. But you have  a "friend" who knows better. Ok.
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Reply #92 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:20pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:16pm:
rhino wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:11pm:
I have repeatedly shown you that these vaccines have not undergone the standard of testing previously required, they have been rushed through. And Im certainly not going to take a vaccination which has not been tested appropriately for side effects so that people like UnsubRocky dont have to.



Again argument from incredulity. Its been explained time and time again, that the period in between the phases was rushed through, not the phases themselves.
Thank you. Im not sure you understand that time is one of the most crucial elements in testing any drug. In fact your argument appears to be founded on not being aware of this. as I have repeatedly stated and you have now confirmed, the testing was rushed.
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Reply #93 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:22pm
 
rhino wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:17pm:
Belgarion wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:15pm:
rhino wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:11pm:
I have repeatedly shown you that these vaccines have not undergone the standard of testing previously required, they have been rushed through. And Im certainly not going to take a vaccination which has not been tested appropriately for side effects so that people like UnsubRocky dont have to.


You have shown nothing apart from internet conspiracies. As I posted earlier, I raised these concerns with someone who works in the medical testing field and she was quite happy with the way things have been implemented for this vaccine.
Australian government information is conspiracy theories now. But you have  a "friend" who knows better. Ok.


My friend is a laboratory technician with decades of experience  who has been following this saga closely out of professional interest. She reads professional publications that are beyond the scope of your average internet expert and has a far more in depth knowledge of this than any layman.

So, yes, I will take her opinion over anything I read here.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #94 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:23pm
 
Im not sure you understand that time is one of the most crucial elements in testing any drug. In fact your argument appears to be founded on not being aware of this. as I have repeatedly stated and you have now confirmed, the testing was rushed.



Are you an idiot. The phases of testing is where they do the actual testing. In between the phases is the review of the data. The review has been pushed forward in time, e.g. at the TGA they are getting this data on all sorts of treatments from all over the world, which takes them time to review as they come to the top of the pile. In this case, all the vaccine data was moved to the top of the pile.


Why notr just say you're anti-vax and be smacking done with it
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Reply #95 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:38pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:23pm:
Im not sure you understand that time is one of the most crucial elements in testing any drug. In fact your argument appears to be founded on not being aware of this. as I have repeatedly stated and you have now confirmed, the testing was rushed.



Are you an idiot. The phases of testing is where they do the actual testing. In between the phases is the review of the data. The review has been pushed forward in time, e.g. at the TGA they are getting this data on all sorts of treatments from all over the world, which takes them time to review as they come to the top of the pile. In this case, all the vaccine data was moved to the top of the pile.


Why notr just say you're anti-vax and be smacking done with it


We don't know if there are any long-term side-effects.


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Reply #96 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:41pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:38pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:23pm:
Im not sure you understand that time is one of the most crucial elements in testing any drug. In fact your argument appears to be founded on not being aware of this. as I have repeatedly stated and you have now confirmed, the testing was rushed.



Are you an idiot. The phases of testing is where they do the actual testing. In between the phases is the review of the data. The review has been pushed forward in time, e.g. at the TGA they are getting this data on all sorts of treatments from all over the world, which takes them time to review as they come to the top of the pile. In this case, all the vaccine data was moved to the top of the pile.


Why notr just say you're anti-vax and be smacking done with it


We don't know if there are any long-term side-effects.






Using that logic you shnouldnt be using any drugs. How long term do you want.
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Reply #97 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:48pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:38pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:23pm:
Im not sure you understand that time is one of the most crucial elements in testing any drug. In fact your argument appears to be founded on not being aware of this. as I have repeatedly stated and you have now confirmed, the testing was rushed.



Are you an idiot. The phases of testing is where they do the actual testing. In between the phases is the review of the data. The review has been pushed forward in time, e.g. at the TGA they are getting this data on all sorts of treatments from all over the world, which takes them time to review as they come to the top of the pile. In this case, all the vaccine data was moved to the top of the pile.


Why notr just say you're anti-vax and be smacking done with it


We don't know if there are any long-term side-effects.






Using that logic you shnouldnt be using any drugs. How long term do you want.



The drugs I use have been around for decades, and their side-effects are well known.

COVID vaccine - not so much.

How long-term do I want?  At least twelve months usage in the general population.
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Reply #98 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:51pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:48pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:38pm:
[quote author=Pastafarian link=1612567786/94#94 date=1612837420]Im not sure you understand that time is one of the most crucial elements in testing any drug. In fact your argument appears to be founded on not being aware of this. as I have repeatedly stated and you have now confirmed, the testing was rushed.



Are you an idiot. The phases of testing is where they do the actual testing. In between the phases is the review of the data. The review has been pushed forward in time, e.g. at the TGA they are getting this data on all sorts of treatments from all over the world, which takes them time to review as they come to the top of the pile. In this case, all the vaccine data was moved to the top of the pile.


Why notr just say you're anti-vax and be smacking done with it


We don't know if there are any long-term side-effects.






Using that logic you shnouldnt be using any drugs. How long term do you want.



The drugs I use have been around for decades, and their side-effects are well known.

COVID vaccine - not so much.

How long-term do I want?  At least twelve months usage in the general population.[/quote0]



Their long term effects though? What about after 40 years, something might come up
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Reply #99 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:53pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:51pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:48pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:38pm:
[quote author=Pastafarian link=1612567786/94#94 date=1612837420]Im not sure you understand that time is one of the most crucial elements in testing any drug. In fact your argument appears to be founded on not being aware of this. as I have repeatedly stated and you have now confirmed, the testing was rushed.



Are you an idiot. The phases of testing is where they do the actual testing. In between the phases is the review of the data. The review has been pushed forward in time, e.g. at the TGA they are getting this data on all sorts of treatments from all over the world, which takes them time to review as they come to the top of the pile. In this case, all the vaccine data was moved to the top of the pile.


Why notr just say you're anti-vax and be smacking done with it


We don't know if there are any long-term side-effects.






Using that logic you shnouldnt be using any drugs. How long term do you want.



The drugs I use have been around for decades, and their side-effects are well known.

COVID vaccine - not so much.

How long-term do I want?  At least twelve months usage in the general population.[/quote0]



Their long term effects though? What about after 40 years, something might come up


Yep.

And that's a risk I'm willing to take.

I'm not willing to take a chance on a drug that's only just been put into circulation though.

I'll wait 12 to 18 months and see what happens.

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Reply #100 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:54pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:53pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:51pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:48pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:38pm:
[quote author=Pastafarian link=1612567786/94#94 date=1612837420]Im not sure you understand that time is one of the most crucial elements in testing any drug. In fact your argument appears to be founded on not being aware of this. as I have repeatedly stated and you have now confirmed, the testing was rushed.



Are you an idiot. The phases of testing is where they do the actual testing. In between the phases is the review of the data. The review has been pushed forward in time, e.g. at the TGA they are getting this data on all sorts of treatments from all over the world, which takes them time to review as they come to the top of the pile. In this case, all the vaccine data was moved to the top of the pile.


Why notr just say you're anti-vax and be smacking done with it


We don't know if there are any long-term side-effects.






Using that logic you shnouldnt be using any drugs. How long term do you want.



The drugs I use have been around for decades, and their side-effects are well known.

COVID vaccine - not so much.

How long-term do I want?  At least twelve months usage in the general population.[/quote0]



Their long term effects though? What about after 40 years, something might come up


Yep.

And that's a risk I'm willing to take.

I'm not willing to take a chance on a drug that's only just been put into circulation though.

I'll wait 12 to 18 months and see what happens.





Can you do use a favour then and stay indoors and not do anything?
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Reply #101 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 2:10pm
 
The vaccine alternatives for people with compromised immune systems




As the COVID-19 vaccine rollout gathers pace, a population is at risk of being left behind: the millions of people around the globe who lack fully functional immune systems.

While the exact number of the immunocompromised worldwide is unknown, estimates suggest that about 10 million live in the U.S. alone, or around 3 percent of the national population. The number encompasses a diverse range of vulnerabilities, including rare genetic immune deficiencies, chronic illnesses that impair the immune system such as rheumatoid arthritis, and cancer and organ-transplant patients who must take immune-suppressing medications.

For them, vaccines will not be effective, because they are incapable of making their own antibodies to neutralize the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Instead, pharmaceutical companies around the world are racing to develop alternative treatments that bypass the immune system altogether.

The most common option is called monoclonal antibody treatments. These artificially generated antibodies mimic the body’s natural immune response by binding to key sites on the virus’ spike protein, preventing it entering cells and reproducing. Companies including AstraZeneca, Regeneron, and Eli Lilly are currently testing whether monoclonal antibodies can protect immunocompromised people from SARS-CoV-2.

“You often find that patients who have had bone marrow transplants end up getting terrible flu and other infections, which they can’t clear without additional help,” says Nicky Longley, an infectious diseases consultant at University College London Hospitals. “It was these heavily immune-suppressed populations who did very badly during the first wave of COVID-19.”

In addition, preventing immunocompromised people from getting infected will be a key part of keeping the disease in check in the long run, says Andrew Ustianowski, an infectious disease specialist at the U.K.’s National Institute for Health Research.

“If we want to control this virus and get back into normal life, then being able to protect everybody, so we don’t have ongoing transmission in subgroups of the population, is important,” he says.

But while many scientists are excited about the potential of monoclonal antibodies to address gaps in the world’s vaccination programs, questions remain. The coming months will tell us whether these treatments are sufficiently cost-effective to be used on a large scale, if they can really provide adequate protection for months at a time, and whether using monoclonal antibodies may inadvertently do more harm than good.
A potential ‘game changer’

In the past, the only means of protecting immunocompromised people during viral outbreaks was a product called intravenous immunoglobulin, or IVIG. Taken from the blood plasma of healthy donors, infusions of IVIG are one way of supplying patients with natural antibodies against a broad range of infections most people are commonly exposed to.

More here:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2021/02/the-vaccine-alternatives-for-...
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Reply #102 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 2:13pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:54pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:53pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:51pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:48pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:38pm:
[quote author=Pastafarian link=1612567786/94#94 date=1612837420]Im not sure you understand that time is one of the most crucial elements in testing any drug. In fact your argument appears to be founded on not being aware of this. as I have repeatedly stated and you have now confirmed, the testing was rushed.



Are you an idiot. The phases of testing is where they do the actual testing. In between the phases is the review of the data. The review has been pushed forward in time, e.g. at the TGA they are getting this data on all sorts of treatments from all over the world, which takes them time to review as they come to the top of the pile. In this case, all the vaccine data was moved to the top of the pile.


Why notr just say you're anti-vax and be smacking done with it


We don't know if there are any long-term side-effects.






Using that logic you shnouldnt be using any drugs. How long term do you want.



The drugs I use have been around for decades, and their side-effects are well known.

COVID vaccine - not so much.

How long-term do I want?  At least twelve months usage in the general population.[/quote0]



Their long term effects though? What about after 40 years, something might come up


Yep.

And that's a risk I'm willing to take.

I'm not willing to take a chance on a drug that's only just been put into circulation though.

I'll wait 12 to 18 months and see what happens.





Can you do use a favour then and stay indoors and not do anything?


No.

Can you do me a favour and let individuals make their own decisions about what goes into their bodies?

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Reply #103 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 2:25pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 2:13pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:54pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:53pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:51pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:48pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 1:38pm:
[quote author=Pastafarian link=1612567786/94#94 date=1612837420]Im not sure you understand that time is one of the most crucial elements in testing any drug. In fact your argument appears to be founded on not being aware of this. as I have repeatedly stated and you have now confirmed, the testing was rushed.



Are you an idiot. The phases of testing is where they do the actual testing. In between the phases is the review of the data. The review has been pushed forward in time, e.g. at the TGA they are getting this data on all sorts of treatments from all over the world, which takes them time to review as they come to the top of the pile. In this case, all the vaccine data was moved to the top of the pile.


Why notr just say you're anti-vax and be smacking done with it


We don't know if there are any long-term side-effects.






Using that logic you shnouldnt be using any drugs. How long term do you want.



The drugs I use have been around for decades, and their side-effects are well known.

COVID vaccine - not so much.

How long-term do I want?  At least twelve months usage in the general population.[/quote0]



Their long term effects though? What about after 40 years, something might come up


Yep.

And that's a risk I'm willing to take.

I'm not willing to take a chance on a drug that's only just been put into circulation though.

I'll wait 12 to 18 months and see what happens.





Can you do use a favour then and stay indoors and not do anything?


No.

Can you do me a favour and let individuals make their own decisions about what goes into their bodies?




Can you do me a favour and not put in the immunsuppressed at risk by potentially spreding a fatal disease?
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Reply #104 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 2:29pm
 
Neferti wrote on Feb 9th, 2021 at 2:10pm:
The vaccine alternatives for people with compromised immune systems




As the COVID-19 vaccine rollout gathers pace, a population is at risk of being left behind: the millions of people around the globe who lack fully functional immune systems.

While the exact number of the immunocompromised worldwide is unknown, estimates suggest that about 10 million live in the U.S. alone, or around 3 percent of the national population. The number encompasses a diverse range of vulnerabilities, including rare genetic immune deficiencies, chronic illnesses that impair the immune system such as rheumatoid arthritis, and cancer and organ-transplant patients who must take immune-suppressing medications.

For them, vaccines will not be effective, because they are incapable of making their own antibodies to neutralize the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Instead, pharmaceutical companies around the world are racing to develop alternative treatments that bypass the immune system altogether.

The most common option is called monoclonal antibody treatments. These artificially generated antibodies mimic the body’s natural immune response by binding to key sites on the virus’ spike protein, preventing it entering cells and reproducing. Companies including AstraZeneca, Regeneron, and Eli Lilly are currently testing whether monoclonal antibodies can protect immunocompromised people from SARS-CoV-2.

“You often find that patients who have had bone marrow transplants end up getting terrible flu and other infections, which they can’t clear without additional help,” says Nicky Longley, an infectious diseases consultant at University College London Hospitals. “It was these heavily immune-suppressed populations who did very badly during the first wave of COVID-19.”

In addition, preventing immunocompromised people from getting infected will be a key part of keeping the disease in check in the long run, says Andrew Ustianowski, an infectious disease specialist at the U.K.’s National Institute for Health Research.

“If we want to control this virus and get back into normal life, then being able to protect everybody, so we don’t have ongoing transmission in subgroups of the population, is important,” he says.

But while many scientists are excited about the potential of monoclonal antibodies to address gaps in the world’s vaccination programs, questions remain. The coming months will tell us whether these treatments are sufficiently cost-effective to be used on a large scale, if they can really provide adequate protection for months at a time, and whether using monoclonal antibodies may inadvertently do more harm than good.
A potential ‘game changer’

In the past, the only means of protecting immunocompromised people during viral outbreaks was a product called intravenous immunoglobulin, or IVIG. Taken from the blood plasma of healthy donors, infusions of IVIG are one way of supplying patients with natural antibodies against a broad range of infections most people are commonly exposed to.

More here:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2021/02/the-vaccine-alternatives-for-...


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