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Reply #90 - Jan 18th, 2021 at 11:53pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 10:29pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 10:04pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 8:56pm:
The Proud Boys believe in violent insurrection. That's their point. Here's their founder, Gavin McInnes:

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“I want violence, I want punching in the face. I’m disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough.”




Perhaps drone strikes are morally acceptable? They were for Biden and Obama. This is progress.


Mistie, if you weren't such a "progressive" lecturer of our Muslim brothers, I'd ask what you mean by morally acceptable.

Staging a Washington sit-in? Organizing a demo at the Capitol? Hunting down the Vice Prez for a lynching?

This is "progress".


You mean like this?


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Re: The speech that started it
Reply #91 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 12:10am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 11:50pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 10:04pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 8:56pm:
The Proud Boys believe in violent insurrection. That's their point. Here's their founder, Gavin McInnes:

Quote:
“I want violence, I want punching in the face. I’m disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough.”




Perhaps drone strikes are morally acceptable? They were for Biden and Obama. This is progress.


The Prez of Afghanistan says that if the Trump total troop withdrawal takes place, Al Qaeda and ISIS will re-emerge and launch an even more vicious campaign against the rest of the world...
So Trump the Peacemaker will be replaced by Biden the Warmaker..... and some will think that an old guy with a Shallow Hal VP will be an easy mark....

Interesting times ahead.... Trump did quite well with the velvet glove over the iron fist....

'Yeah - we're going for that - going for peace...... but just remember we do this from a position of strength, not weakness... never make that mistake.... we're doing it for humanity... in the hope that others will follow that lead...."



That's right, dear. Trump used his iron fist to declare Chi-na - not Putin - responsible for the biggest security breach on US soil to date.

Now that takes some beating. Declaring Chi-na open and transparent on covid and elevating Kim Jong Un to global statesman status doesn't come close.

Of course, pretending a virus that's killed nearly half a million Americans is a case of the sniffles will form the basis of the Trump iron fist legacy, as every schoolboy knows.

What's uncanny is that people like your good self are still falling for it. That's the thing nobody gets.

If the old boy could stop snivelling I'd ask him. I've tried asking Lee.

He said  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #92 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 7:27am
 
Here we have evidence of a plot to overthrow the legitimate government of the US......https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6223735578001

Oops...please disregard.....move on...nothing to see here... Embarrassed
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Re: The speech that started it
Reply #93 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 7:39am
 
cods wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 4:18pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 3:32pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 3:23pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 1:01am:
BLM leaders have not only been unanimous is condemning any violence or property damage, they've been faster than a speeding bullet to do so.

Time  this idiocy was put to bed.

And Antifa is not even a thing.....  tsk, tsk  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You'll wake up one day frank.



oh come on what does that mean???????... so its ok for you to talk terrorist  about everything but anyone bring in antifa    you act as if they are boy scouts.. Roll Eyes


No.

But antifa isn't an organisation like all these right-wing extremist militias.  You can't point to someone and say "Oh they're from antifa".

Sure, the Fox news of the world love to paint it that way to give their base an enemy to be distracted with and deflect away from their own issues, but again, reality.

That's not to say there aren't people who take advantage of progressive protests or their entire aim is violence, but being "anti-fascist" isn't the same as being a Proud Boy.

It's closer to being boogaloo bois but even then there is some nuance.

That's not to excuse the violence or actions of those being accused of being "an antifa", not at all.

But it's a clear distinction that is important between the two.

Those who continue to treat the anti-fascism movement as if it's a terrorist organisation are not acting in good faith.

But hey, we're used to that from MAGA yeah?
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Re: The speech that started it
Reply #94 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 7:44am
 
Belgarion wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 7:27am:
Here we have evidence of a plot to overthrow the legitimate government of the US......https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6223735578001

Oops...please disregard.....move on...nothing to see here... Embarrassed


They stormed the Capitol did they?

2 wrongs make a right?

So since JFK was assassinated, it's ok to assassinate Trump?

The things you magatards advocate for...
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Reply #95 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 9:33am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 7:44am:
Belgarion wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 7:27am:
Here we have evidence of a plot to overthrow the legitimate government of the US......https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6223735578001

Oops...please disregard.....move on...nothing to see here... Embarrassed


They stormed the Capitol did they?

2 wrongs make a right?

So since JFK was assassinated, it's ok to assassinate Trump?

The things you magatards advocate for...


I see by your disjointed ramblings that you have nothing to offer.  Roll Eyes
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Re: The speech that started it
Reply #96 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 9:44am
 
Belgarion wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 7:27am:
Here we have evidence of a plot to overthrow the legitimate government of the US......https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6223735578001

Oops...please disregard.....move on...nothing to see here... Embarrassed


Wow - a plot to overthrow Trump. That's a real scoop, Belgarion.

Johnny Deep and Madonna's 2016 anti-Trump tweets.

Now if you'd told me four years ago, Trump would plot a military coup in the Oval Office, or threaten election officials to come up with extra votes for him, or incite a riot on Congress, killing five people, I'd say ah.

But if you told me people would defend this behaviour by comparing it to Johnny Depp and Madonna's tweets, I'd say wow.

That's some doing. The insurrection stuff I get, but the excuses? Trump has managed to dupe entire populations. This isn't Trump saying this, it's you. You?

Yes, dear, you.

I mean, wow.
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Reply #97 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 11:28am
 
‘A riot is the language of the unheard,’ said Martin Luther King in an entirely different context. Purloined by the American mainstream media, it was used it to justify looting and burning by the far-Left Black Lives Matter movement and Antifa, effectively the paramilitary wing of Democratic Party, for eight long months in 2020, with reporters on multiple channels announcing that the protests were ‘mainly peaceful’, against a backdrop of burning buildings. Instead of criticism of this gross criminality by the Democrats, there was rapturous applause, with mayors and governors refusing offers of federal intervention, even against the declaration of an autonomous zone in Seattle. Far Left vice presidential candidate Kamala Harris not only encouraged Democrats to send donations to bail out militants, she endorsed their criminal violence on television, in the clearest possible terms. Indicating that the rioters would not stop, even after the election, she declared, ‘They’re not going to let up and they should not.’

The Democratic National Convention, where Harris emerged as a failed presidential candidate, refused to condemn the riots, while news of the continuing violence, which seriously affected poor, black urban communities, was kept from voters by the mainstream media which has become the propaganda arm of the Democrats.

Unsurprisingly, the media treated the invasion of the Capitol differently but as prominent independent Afro-American commentator Jason Whitlock said, it was Sir Isaac Newton’s third law of motion come to life, ‘For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.’ For four years, the millionaire and billionaire elite which controls academia, the mainstream media, politics, popular culture, and the sports world has framed Trump supporters as racist deplorables, worthy of elimination from society. More recently, those supporters have been denied a hearing everywhere when they sought legal remedy for their allegations of widespread voter fraud. But while the members of the BLM typically search for, burn and destroy their targets well into the wee hours, the deplorables soon returned to their hotel rooms. Whitlock commended their restraint. The Capitol, he says, is sacred ground for the elite. This is where members of their global club exchange cash for influence and privilege, with politicians on incomes of only $150,000-a-year becoming multimillionaires while building cosy relationships with Big Tech lobbyists and American corporations looking to curry favour with Red China. Biden and his family have emerged as the most glaring example of this phenomenon but mainstream and social media suppressed news until the election was over.


No serious journalist could ever conclude that President Trump incited the invasion of the Capitol. He specifically requested that the walk peaceful. An invasion, which he did not even envisage, would endanger what he most wanted; an investigation of fraud and unconstitutional changes to electoral laws. Had he called on his supporters to invade the Capitol, there would have been tens of thousands of them there — not a few hundred. Moreover, the invasion began before he finished speaking. Videos have been posted showing police inviting people into the grounds and Trump supporters restraining rioters from breaking windows, accusing them of being Antifa. Violence is totally inconsistent with Trump supporters past behaviour suggesting the perpetrators were  agents provocateurs or extremists Trump always rejected.

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After they lost the 2016 election, Trump’s enemies fabricated the claim he had colluded with the Russians during the 2016 election campaign. They lied to the special court to obtain wiretaps using the information to create the basis for a four-year attempted coup to remove him from office. In office, they prevented the Drug Enforcement Adminstration from bringing Hezbollah drug traffickers to justice to save the reckless Iran nuclear deal. They engaged in the sale of access and influence to foreign oligarchs, especially in Beijing, and last summer, they effectively licensed paramilitaries to wreak havoc in Democrat-run cities, and so they would hardly hesitate to engage in electoral fraud, constitutional breaches or  inciting an invasion of the Capitol.

To the delight of Democrats, the invasion ensured that any investigation of Trump’s powerful cases alleging electoral fraud and unconstitutional electoral law change were thwarted. Journalists and others who dismiss these as ‘baseless’ have either not read the details or are lying.

That almost no judge would hear these cases and hid behind technicalities to avoid doing so reflects poorly on the independence and/or courage of the American judiciary, especially the Supreme Court justices who presented as originalists in their recent confirmations.

It was equally disappointing for posterity that Vice President Pence wrongly saw his role in presiding over the certification of the votes cast as that of nothing more than a rubber stamp. That is hardly what the founding fathers envisaged. Alexander Hamilton explained in the Federalist Papers that they had anticipated that the incumbent would be an ‘extraordinary person’ who ‘may occasionally become a substitute for the President in the supreme executive magistracy’. It was never intended that he give his imprimatur to elections so mired in fraud under gross breaches of the constitution. The result of his misjudgement is that tainted and unconstitutional elections are probably locked in for the foreseeable future, with a Manchurian candidate soon to be installed in the White House, with an extremist successor who will give effect to Obama’s likely ruinous third term of managed decline, Venezuelan-style socialism and international surrender, all as a favoured Beijing advances towards world domination.

The election was stolen from Trump,  who, in any fair assessment of his remarkable achievements, has been the greatest President since Ronald Reagan. But neither he nor his 74 million followers are going away. With the EU rolling over, he has shown only he or his apprentice can Make America Great Again and stop Red China’s path to imperial domination.
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Reply #99 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 11:46am
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 10:24pm:
Oh, Lee, you are naughty. What do you think he meant by stand back and stand by?


Poor petal. Now he is reduced to what people think of a statement. That's not evidence petal.

So he told the Proud Boys stand back? So don't do anything - stand back.

Standby? For what petal? Still missing that smoking gun. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #100 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 12:25pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 11:46am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 10:24pm:
Oh, Lee, you are naughty. What do you think he meant by stand back and stand by?


Poor petal. Now he is reduced to what people think of a statement. That's not evidence petal.

So he told the Proud Boys stand back? So don't do anything - stand back.

Standby? For what petal? Still missing that smoking gun. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Why, stand by for their jolly riot, of course.

Why are you questioning this, Lee? I haven't seen anyone question your Dear Leader's incitement.

Yes, whether he should face impeachment or stand trial, yes whether Antifa are just as bad, yes whether it can be classed as an insurgency or a terrorist act, yes whether Hillary used a private email server as Secretary of State, etc, etc, etc, but I haven't seen anyone question whether Mr Trump instigated a riot.

You?
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Reply #101 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 12:38pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 11:28am:
‘A riot is the language of the unheard,’ said Martin Luther King in an entirely different context. Purloined by the American mainstream media, it was used it to justify looting and burning by the far-Left Black Lives Matter movement and Antifa, effectively the paramilitary wing of Democratic Party, for eight long months in 2020, with reporters on multiple channels announcing that the protests were ‘mainly peaceful’, against a backdrop of burning buildings. Instead of criticism of this gross criminality by the Democrats, there was rapturous applause, with mayors and governors refusing offers of federal intervention, even against the declaration of an autonomous zone in Seattle. Far Left vice presidential candidate Kamala Harris not only encouraged Democrats to send donations to bail out militants, she endorsed their criminal violence on television, in the clearest possible terms. Indicating that the rioters would not stop, even after the election, she declared, ‘They’re not going to let up and they should not.’

The Democratic National Convention, where Harris emerged as a failed presidential candidate, refused to condemn the riots, while news of the continuing violence, which seriously affected poor, black urban communities, was kept from voters by the mainstream media which has become the propaganda arm of the Democrats.

Unsurprisingly, the media treated the invasion of the Capitol differently but as prominent independent Afro-American commentator Jason Whitlock said, it was Sir Isaac Newton’s third law of motion come to life, ‘For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.’ For four years, the millionaire and billionaire elite which controls academia, the mainstream media, politics, popular culture, and the sports world has framed Trump supporters as racist deplorables, worthy of elimination from society. More recently, those supporters have been denied a hearing everywhere when they sought legal remedy for their allegations of widespread voter fraud. But while the members of the BLM typically search for, burn and destroy their targets well into the wee hours, the deplorables soon returned to their hotel rooms. Whitlock commended their restraint. The Capitol, he says, is sacred ground for the elite. This is where members of their global club exchange cash for influence and privilege, with politicians on incomes of only $150,000-a-year becoming multimillionaires while building cosy relationships with Big Tech lobbyists and American corporations looking to curry favour with Red China. Biden and his family have emerged as the most glaring example of this phenomenon but mainstream and social media suppressed news until the election was over.


No serious journalist could ever conclude that President Trump incited the invasion of the Capitol. He specifically requested that the walk peaceful. An invasion, which he did not even envisage, would endanger what he most wanted; an investigation of fraud and unconstitutional changes to electoral laws. Had he called on his supporters to invade the Capitol, there would have been tens of thousands of them there — not a few hundred. Moreover, the invasion began before he finished speaking. Videos have been posted showing police inviting people into the grounds and Trump supporters restraining rioters from breaking windows, accusing them of being Antifa. Violence is totally inconsistent with Trump supporters past behaviour suggesting the perpetrators were  agents provocateurs or extremists Trump always rejected.



Apart from this fellow jolly journalist:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/only-trump-is-to-blame-for-the-capitol-chaos

Dear Leader most certainly did not specify that his attack be peaceful, old boy. He instructed his worshippers to FIGHT LIKE HELL.

Anyone who would rally his Proud Boys, his Boogaloo Boys and his Qanon boys and girls - invite them and direct them to go to the Capitol to "fight" - is not calling on a sit in, as every schoolboy knows.

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Reply #102 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 12:59pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 12:25pm:
Why, stand by for their jolly riot, of course.


So there was no order to riot. They were told to stand back.

Karnal wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 12:25pm:
I haven't seen anyone question your Dear Leader's incitement.



He's not my dear leader and you have failed to show any incitement. You were saying that he said stand back - That's not incitement. Wink

You haven't seen it? poor petal. For you to see it you would have to look. And not in the MSM. He who controls the media controls the present.  Wink

Try googling Trump did not incite riot. Wink
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Reply #103 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 1:04pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 9:44am:
Belgarion wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 7:27am:
Here we have evidence of a plot to overthrow the legitimate government of the US......https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6223735578001

Oops...please disregard.....move on...nothing to see here... Embarrassed


Wow - a plot to overthrow Trump. That's a real scoop, Belgarion.

Johnny Deep and Madonna's 2016 anti-Trump tweets.

Now if you'd told me four years ago, Trump would plot a military coup in the Oval Office, or threaten election officials to come up with extra votes for him, or incite a riot on Congress, killing five people, I'd say ah.

But if you told me people would defend this behaviour by comparing it to Johnny Depp and Madonna's tweets, I'd say wow.

That's some doing. The insurrection stuff I get, but the excuses? Trump has managed to dupe entire populations. This isn't Trump saying this, it's you. You?

Yes, dear, you.

I mean, wow.


I don't know how many ways I can say this, but I am not defending Trump or the capitol riots at all. Roll Eyes I merely point out the hysterical hypocrisy of  his opponents.


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Re: The speech that started it
Reply #104 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 1:39pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 1:04pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 9:44am:
Belgarion wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 7:27am:
Here we have evidence of a plot to overthrow the legitimate government of the US......https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6223735578001

Oops...please disregard.....move on...nothing to see here... Embarrassed


Wow - a plot to overthrow Trump. That's a real scoop, Belgarion.

Johnny Deep and Madonna's 2016 anti-Trump tweets.

Now if you'd told me four years ago, Trump would plot a military coup in the Oval Office, or threaten election officials to come up with extra votes for him, or incite a riot on Congress, killing five people, I'd say ah.

But if you told me people would defend this behaviour by comparing it to Johnny Depp and Madonna's tweets, I'd say wow.

That's some doing. The insurrection stuff I get, but the excuses? Trump has managed to dupe entire populations. This isn't Trump saying this, it's you. You?

Yes, dear, you.

I mean, wow.


I don't know how many ways I can say this, but I am not defending Trump or the capitol riots at all. Roll Eyes I merely point out the hysterical hypocrisy of  his opponents.




Did depp and madonna storm the capital?

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