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Reply #75 - Feb 8th, 2021 at 6:26pm
 
Speaking of believing.

Probably in the last 1400 odd years, hundreds of millions of innocent men women and children have been raped tortured and murdered by muslims, who believed they were 100% right in what they were doing to these innocent people, because they could justify their atrocities by quoting the qur'an.

muslims today the 21st century are still raping torturing and slaughtering thousands of innocent men women and children every year.

When are the so called *moderates* going to put a stop to these daily islamic human rights atrocities, by denouncing the depravity in islam, which causes and motivates these putrid degeneracies the muslims engage in, because their qur'an tells them to?
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Reply #76 - Feb 8th, 2021 at 8:31pm
 
Speaking of believing.

Probably in the last 1400 odd years, hundreds of millions of innocent men women and children have been raped tortured and murdered by Christians, who believed they were 100% right in what they were doing to these innocent people, because they could justify their atrocities by quoting the Bible.

Christians today, in the 21st century are still raping torturing and slaughtering thousands of innocent men women and children every year.

When are the so called *moderates* going to put a stop to these daily Christian human rights atrocities, by denouncing the depravity in Christianity, which causes and motivates these putrid degeneracies the Christians engage in, because their Bible tells them to?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #77 - Feb 8th, 2021 at 8:56pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 8th, 2021 at 11:55am:
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2021 at 8:42am:
Fasting is also something you do Gandalf. Every one of the 5 pillars is an action. What you misleadingly describe as Islam's "core tenets" are not beliefs at all.


Believing is also something "you do".

How could what you say here possibly make sense FD?

Are you saying since muslims carry out the "act" of fasting/praying/alms giving etc - they can't at the same time "believe" in those things, and count them as part of their "beliefs" of their religion?


So Islam somehow prevents you from being able to distinguish between faith and acts?
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Reply #78 - Feb 25th, 2021 at 11:42am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 8th, 2021 at 8:56pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 8th, 2021 at 11:55am:
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2021 at 8:42am:
Fasting is also something you do Gandalf. Every one of the 5 pillars is an action. What you misleadingly describe as Islam's "core tenets" are not beliefs at all.


Believing is also something "you do".

How could what you say here possibly make sense FD?

Are you saying since muslims carry out the "act" of fasting/praying/alms giving etc - they can't at the same time "believe" in those things, and count them as part of their "beliefs" of their religion?


So Islam somehow prevents you from being able to distinguish between faith and acts?


Try, if you can, explaining how the act of fasting (or praying or alms giving for that matter) in Islam can exist as somehow distinguishable from faith?

Perhaps you have heard the expression an "act of faith"? Apparently there's no such thing in freediverology.
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Reply #79 - Feb 25th, 2021 at 5:48pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 11:42am:
freediver wrote on Feb 8th, 2021 at 8:56pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 8th, 2021 at 11:55am:
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2021 at 8:42am:
Fasting is also something you do Gandalf. Every one of the 5 pillars is an action. What you misleadingly describe as Islam's "core tenets" are not beliefs at all.


Believing is also something "you do".

How could what you say here possibly make sense FD?

Are you saying since muslims carry out the "act" of fasting/praying/alms giving etc - they can't at the same time "believe" in those things, and count them as part of their "beliefs" of their religion?


So Islam somehow prevents you from being able to distinguish between faith and acts?


Try, if you can, explaining how the act of fasting (or praying or alms giving for that matter) in Islam can exist as somehow distinguishable from faith?

Perhaps you have heard the expression an "act of faith"? Apparently there's no such thing in freediverology.



They are all PERFORMATIVE.  As long as you perform the rituals right, you are a good Muslim.  What you THINK - ie conscience - is neither here nor there. That's why Islam is a slave's religion to Allah, the oriental potentate.

Faith is in your heart. Faith is a relationship. You cannot ever have a relationship with Allah. No thought, no dialogue, no questions. No mind or heart comes into it.

Obey and perform the prescribed rituals. And.... er... that's it.

No soul, no heart, no mind in Islam - or if there is, as in the Sufis, it is persecuted by the dominant Sunnis like you.  It's fcckn dreadful. Oppressive doesn't even begin to cover it. Suffocatingly oppressive. It's lung cancer of the spirit, Islam.i

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Reply #80 - Feb 25th, 2021 at 6:33pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 11:42am:
freediver wrote on Feb 8th, 2021 at 8:56pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 8th, 2021 at 11:55am:
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2021 at 8:42am:
Fasting is also something you do Gandalf. Every one of the 5 pillars is an action. What you misleadingly describe as Islam's "core tenets" are not beliefs at all.


Believing is also something "you do".

How could what you say here possibly make sense FD?

Are you saying since muslims carry out the "act" of fasting/praying/alms giving etc - they can't at the same time "believe" in those things, and count them as part of their "beliefs" of their religion?


So Islam somehow prevents you from being able to distinguish between faith and acts?


Try, if you can, explaining how the act of fasting (or praying or alms giving for that matter) in Islam can exist as somehow distinguishable from faith?

Perhaps you have heard the expression an "act of faith"? Apparently there's no such thing in freediverology.


Because the act and the faith are entirely separate and entirely separable things. You can have faith without performing the act, and you can perform the act without having faith.

This is why Islam is such a transparent and hollow faith. It was a bunch of requirements designed to keep a dictator in power. The end result being that those who somehow become true believers must in the process lose touch with reality.
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Reply #81 - Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:59am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 6:33pm:
Because the act and the faith are entirely separate and entirely separable things. You can have faith without performing the act, and you can perform the act without having faith.


Yes they can be separated - meaning they are "separable", but it doesn't mean they always are.

In the case of Islam, they are not. Nothing you say here even remotely disproves this contention.

What is your alternative anyway? Are you saying no muslim could ever carry out their religious "acts" with any faith? How could that possibly make sense? Do you apply the same logic to other religions and all their ritualistic acts?

freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 6:33pm:
This is why Islam...


You see the flaw here? You start with the premise that all Islamic acts must be separate from faith - simply because 'acts' and 'faith' *CAN* be separate. This is a logical fallacy. You then run off with your usual rant armed with nothing but this logical fallacy.

If, on the other hand, you stopped and thought about your premise - and realised that it doesn't actually disprove the idea that you *CAN* have faith with performance of an act, and you *CAN* perform an act with faith - then you wouldn't be able to draw the conclusions that you make here.

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Reply #82 - Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:04am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 5:48pm:
They are all PERFORMATIVE.  As long as you perform the rituals right, you are a good Muslim. 


A 'good' muslim, but definitely not a 'faithful' muslim - right?

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Faith is in your heart.


Right, and so fasting for a muslim can never be "from the heart", ditto for praying - is that what you are saying?

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Reply #83 - Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:05am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:59am:
What is your alternative anyway? Are you saying no muslim could ever carry out their religious "acts" with any faith?


It is pretty obvious what I am saying Gandalf.
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Reply #84 - Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:23am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:04am:
Frank wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 5:48pm:
They are all PERFORMATIVE.  As long as you perform the rituals right, you are a good Muslim. 


A 'good' muslim, but definitely not a 'faithful' muslim - right?

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Faith is in your heart.


Right, and so fasting for a muslim can never be "from the heart", ditto for praying - is that what you are saying?



They are all PERFORMATIVE.  As long as you perform the rituals right, you are a good Muslim.  What you THINK - ie conscience - is neither here nor there. That's why Islam is a slave's religion to Allah, the oriental potentate.

Faith is in your heart. Faith is a relationship. You cannot ever have a relationship with Allah. No thought, no dialogue, no questions. No mind or heart comes into it.

Obey and perform the prescribed rituals. And.... er... that's it.

No soul, no heart, no mind in Islam - or if there is, as in the Sufis, it is persecuted by the dominant Sunnis like you.  It's fcckn dreadful. Oppressive doesn't even begin to cover it. Suffocatingly oppressive. It's lung cancer of the spirit, Islam.

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Reply #85 - Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:42am
 
You can scratch your arse and really mean it, but you are still just scratching your arse.
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Reply #86 - Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:42am:
You can scratch your arse and really mean it, but you are still just scratching your arse.

The difference between murder and manslaughter - did you mean to scratch your arse?


Btw - when will they change manslaughter to personslaughter? And isn't  slaughter itself a bit loaded and judgemental?
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Reply #87 - Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:26pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:23am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:04am:
Frank wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 5:48pm:
They are all PERFORMATIVE.  As long as you perform the rituals right, you are a good Muslim. 


A 'good' muslim, but definitely not a 'faithful' muslim - right?

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Faith is in your heart.


Right, and so fasting for a muslim can never be "from the heart", ditto for praying - is that what you are saying?



They are all PERFORMATIVE.  As long as you perform the rituals right, you are a good Muslim.  What you THINK - ie conscience - is neither here nor there. That's why Islam is a slave's religion to Allah, the oriental potentate.

Faith is in your heart. Faith is a relationship. You cannot ever have a relationship with Allah. No thought, no dialogue, no questions. No mind or heart comes into it.

Obey and perform the prescribed rituals. And.... er... that's it.

No soul, no heart, no mind in Islam - or if there is, as in the Sufis, it is persecuted by the dominant Sunnis like you.  It's fcckn dreadful. Oppressive doesn't even begin to cover it. Suffocatingly oppressive. It's lung cancer of the spirit, Islam.



You try squatting down to pee and playing with your dick afterwards, old boy. See what it does to your soul's level of tintedness.

According to Moses and FD, you should see your retardation level rise in no time.

Based on your current situation, I'd say you'd be inbred and tinted in record speed. Throw in a couple of Allah Uakbars and we can safely say you'd be sub-moronic in a matter of days.

If you're struggling, give us a yell. We can say a few Our Fathers, sing you a stirring Lutheran hymn or read you one of those erectile dysfunction ads from the Spectator you enjoy so much.

Performative, innit.
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Reply #88 - May 18th, 2021 at 12:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:05am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:59am:
What is your alternative anyway? Are you saying no muslim could ever carry out their religious "acts" with any faith?


It is pretty obvious what I am saying Gandalf.


Sure it is. The problem though is that you are not making any actual argument with it.

For example, how does anything you have said about acts and faiths being "separable" prove your claim that fasting in Islam cannot be an act of faith?

freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:42am:
You can scratch your arse and really mean it, but you are still just scratching your arse.


And yet you do it because you have faith it will relieve your itch. Again, simply saying that physical acts and beliefs are separable doesn't in any way mean that therefore an act cannot be done in relation to, or because of a belief.
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Reply #89 - May 18th, 2021 at 2:36pm
 
There is a fundamental difference between every civilized religion and the CULT OF DEATH.

All other religions do not condone murder, rape, pedophilia or terrorism.
In fact all civilized religions abhor the above.

Islam is exactly the opposite.
It condones and actively promotes murder, rape, pedophilia and terrorism as is taught by their cult of death.

The apologists and sycophant islamophiles refuse to understand this
either by intent or stupidity.

But regardless, it is a fact. Islam is a violent, barbaric, primitive cult of death (Statan's own)

And all the tut, tutting, yawning emoji, lies and deflection on earth can change these facts.
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