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Re: COVID in WA
Reply #690 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:11pm

I'm surprised anyone is still using them after this happened last year:

Airlines cancel - Flight Centre still charge $350 (Whirlpool Forums - long thread).

People must have short memories.

Wonder if they're still doing it or have started doing it again because I've recently read that some (or all?) of the airlines have now pulled out this 'trick':

Airlines are apparently advertising and allowing people to book flights then the flights are being cancelled at the last minute so the airlines don't lose their 'slots' at airports.. I'm assuming the people booked for the flights are offered a later flight or a refund if they decide to cancel the trip (perhaps minus a $350 fee?).

Well, I suppose if the airlines are now using this 'trick' at least its a lot less fuel wastage and less pollution/noise than what they were doing last year - flying empty or almost empty planes on their regular routes so they wouldn't lose their 'slots' (although I wouldn't be surprised if that still happens as well).

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Re: COVID in WA
Reply #692 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:44pm

Premier reveals WA plan for border to re-open to domestic and international travellers

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Western Australia will reopen to domestic and international travellers when the State hits a 90 per cent vaccination milestone — likely in late January or early February.

The exact transition date — which will also trigger the reintroduction of some restrictions — will be announced when WA hits the 80 per cent double dose mark for everyone aged 12 and above.

The decision is based on new Health Department modelling showing that almost 200 fewer West Australians would die with COVID-19 if the border reopens at 90 per cent vaccination instead of 80 per cent.

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Once the reopening date is set — likely in early December — it will be “locked in,” Mr McGowan said.

I wouldn't be locking anything in at this stage, Mark. Wait and see what happens with the rest of Australia first because I'm expecting most of Australia to be in lockdown again by Christmas.

And, definitely keep a sharp eye out for any 'fiddling of numbers' like what's (allegedly) been happening with hospital cases in Victoria.

‘Not sustainable’: Dozens of COVID-19 patients missing from ICU figures

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Dozens of COVID-19 patients in Victoria’s intensive care units are missing from official figures, as the state’s health department fails to publicly report those who are lingering in hospital, including some of the most gravely ill.

The revelation indicates the pressure on Victoria’s strained hospital system is significantly worse than previously thought and discredits widely reported government statistics that suggested ICU admissions due to COVID-19 cases have been slowly falling since mid-October from a high of 163.

I'm expecting to see a lot more of that in the coming months.

Oh, and...

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The modelling estimates 313 COVID patients would die in the first year after an outbreak at a vaccination rate of 80 per cent, compared to 117 deaths at 90 per cent. Case numbers would hit 104,000 and 43,000 respectively at the two different vaccination rates.

Does anyone else besides me find that completely unacceptable? Big business and people like aquascoot won't care, of course.

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Re: COVID in WA
Reply #693 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:56pm

And, while (almost) everyone is getting excited about everything opening up here in Australia we have this:

Posted 3h ago

Europe's COVID-19 surge a 'grave concern' says WHO, as hospitalisations double in one week

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The World Health Organization (WHO) has warned 500,000 people could die of COVID-19 in Europe and Central Asia in the next three months, as virus transmission rates surge across the region.

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WHO Europe director Hans Kluge said Europe was back at the "epicentre" of the pandemic, facing a resurgence of cases, hospitalisations and deaths.

Case numbers were beginning to near-record levels again and the pace of transmission in the region was of "grave concern", he said.

"Over the past four weeks, Europe has seen a greater than 55 per cent increase in new COVID-19 cases," Dr Kluge said.

But, never mind... 'no wucking furries' is the prevailing attitude here in the Land of Oz (at least until the s*it hits the fan before too much longer).

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Re: COVID in WA
Reply #694 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 3:23pm

Carl D wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:44pm:

Oh, and...

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The modelling estimates 313 COVID patients would die in the first year after an outbreak at a vaccination rate of 80 per cent, compared to 117 deaths at 90 per cent. Case numbers would hit 104,000 and 43,000 respectively at the two different vaccination rates.

Does anyone else besides me find that completely unacceptable? Big business and people like aquascoot won't care, of course.

No, it's just you.

In 2019, there were 902 flu deaths in Australia. In 2017, 1181 deaths.

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/australia-records-zero-flu-deaths-over...

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Reply #695 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 3:39pm

Geez I'm getting sick of repeating myself here but the reason why all of those flu deaths were virtually ignored for so long was because the population had been 'conditioned' over the years and decades to accept those deaths as 'normal' and that nothing could be done about it. Which suited big business (airlines airports, tourism, etc.) and governments just fine because to do something about it costs money.

Now they want to do the same with Covid and slowly 'condition' people to accept a certain number of deaths every year. All for the sake of the almighty dollar.

But, if Covid has taught us one thing (or should have) its that something can (and should have in the past) been done about stopping or reducing all these yearly flu deaths and its now up to everyone to demand that something be done about it from here onwards.

And, while I'm here... for a State like Western Australia which has only had 1112 Covid cases and 9 deaths (all as a result of overseas/interstate cases coming here) since the start of the pandemic I would expect at the very least for the State government to hold a referendum on the subject of reopening everything and then having up to 313 deaths a year (on top of more flu deaths, of course) which are entirely preventable at this stage but we all know that will never happen.

(A recent survey revealed that over 80% of people here want the 'hard border' to remain).

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Reply #696 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:03pm

Carl, you have turned government into your all-powerful god and protector and you are railing against your god not doing as you expect it to do - to protect you.

Pathetic. What happened to your sense of agency and self-determination? You have, are, the worst of all words - no greater principle you defer to, no personal strength to be a self-determining individual at your own reckoning.

You are an example of the 'do not ask what I can do for my country or myself, I am demanding to know what my country and everyone else can do FOR ME!!!!"

Pathetic and a little repulsive. Like a worm.i

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Re: COVID in WA
Reply #697 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:39pm

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:03pm:

Carl, you have turned government into your all-powerful god and protector and you are railing against your god not doing as you expect it to do - to protect you.

lol... I couldn't give a flying fig about governments... Federal and State, Liberal or Labor.

I know exactly what I'd like to see happen to the lot of them but it isn't suitable for posting on a 'family forum'.

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Reply #698 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 4:34pm

Carl D wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:39pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:03pm:

Carl, you have turned government into your all-powerful god and protector and you are railing against your god not doing as you expect it to do - to protect you.

lol... I couldn't give a flying fig about governments... Federal and State, Liberal or Labor.

I know exactly what I'd like to see happen to the lot of them but it isn't suitable for posting on a 'family forum'.

good stuff.

tell the premier to go away and let people get on with

1 human flourishing

2 personal responsibility.

carl, you cant seriously say "i dont give a rats about the bedwetting premier keeping the border closed".
you cheer on his lunacy on a daily basis.

you need an extended holiday in" small government" florida or sweden to come to your senses

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Reply #699 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 6:20pm

As I said... I couldn't care less about ANY politician... Labor or Liberal.

What I do care about is the fact that Perth and Western Australia is living a 'Covid Free' lifestyle at the moment and has been for 99& of the time since the start of the pandemic.

Right now we have no masks and virtually no restrictions whatsoever. OK, I know we're still supposed to be social distancing and checking in with our SafeWA app or pen and paper when entering shops and other premises but a lot of people don't bother anymore (if they even did to start with) and no-one checks to see that people comply.

And, if we have to start sacrificing this Covid free lifestyle and start wearing masks and having other restrictions brought in just for the sake of money and 'the economy' then I'm certain more than 80 percent of us (myself included) are going to be royally p***ed off.

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Reply #700 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 6:30pm

Carl D wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 6:20pm:

As I said... I couldn't care less about ANY politician... Labor or Liberal.

What I do care about is the fact that Perth and Western Australia is living a 'Covid Free' lifestyle at the moment and has been for 99& of the time since the start of the pandemic.

Right now we have no masks and virtually no restrictions whatsoever. OK, I know we're still supposed to be social distancing and checking in with our SafeWA app or pen and paper when entering shops and other premises but a lot of people don't bother anymore (if they even did to start with) and no-one checks to see that people comply.

And, if we have to start sacrificing this Covid free lifestyle and start wearing masks and having other restrictions brought in just for the sake of money and 'the economy' then I'm certain more than 80 percent of us (myself included) are going to be royally p***ed off.

Great post.

Nailed it.

Those from the east can't seem to get their heads around how good life has been here since March 2020.

Keep up the good work, Mr Premier.

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Re: COVID in WA
Reply #701 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 6:34pm

Carl D wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 6:20pm:

And, if we have to start sacrificing this Covid free lifestyle and start wearing masks and having other restrictions brought in just for the sake of money and 'the economy' then I'm certain more than 80 percent of us (myself included) are going to be royally p***ed off.

I'm betting mask-wearing will be mandatory in Australia on and off over the next year, or at least until a large percentage of a state's population's pathogen response eases (which will only happen if state hospitals are not overloaded) and (the big 'and') senior politicians do not see there being any further political capital in continuing the mandate.

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Reply #702 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 6:37pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 6:34pm:

Carl D wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 6:20pm:

And, if we have to start sacrificing this Covid free lifestyle and start wearing masks and having other restrictions brought in just for the sake of money and 'the economy' then I'm certain more than 80 percent of us (myself included) are going to be royally p***ed off.

I'm betting mask-wearing will be mandatory in Australia on and off over the next year, or at least until a large percentage of a state's population's pathogen response eases (which will only happen if state hospitals are not overloaded) and (the big 'and') senior politicians do not see there being any further political capital in continuing the mandate.

I hope you're right.

I'd like to see mask-wearing mandatory on public transport, for example, all the time.

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Re: COVID in WA
Reply #703 - Nov 6^th, 2021 at 6:40pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 6:37pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 6:34pm:

Carl D wrote on Nov 6^th, 2021 at 6:20pm:

And, if we have to start sacrificing this Covid free lifestyle and start wearing masks and having other restrictions brought in just for the sake of money and 'the economy' then I'm certain more than 80 percent of us (myself included) are going to be royally p***ed off.

I'm betting mask-wearing will be mandatory in Australia on and off over the next year, or at least until a large percentage of a state's population's pathogen response eases (which will only happen if state hospitals are not overloaded) and (the big 'and') senior politicians do not see there being any further political capital in continuing the mandate.

I hope you're right.

I'd like to see mask-wearing mandatory on public transport, for example, all the time.

Politicians have invested too much of their political capital in states that have kept covid in low numbers, to throw political caution to the wind.

The same would be true of New Zealand, which appears to have kept the covid death rate exceptionally low.

The dice premiers will be rolling for, will be their lasting political legacy as the 'saviours of the people'.

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