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Re: COVID in WA
Reply #255 - Apr 30^th, 2021 at 6:30pm

aquascoot wrote on Apr 30^th, 2021 at 6:18pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 30^th, 2021 at 5:37pm:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 30^th, 2021 at 5:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 30^th, 2021 at 2:33pm:

Carl D wrote on Apr 30^th, 2021 at 2:02pm:

Wonder how many fines are going to be handed out at Optus Stadium on Sunday for not wearing a mask?

None, I suspect.

They'll just say they were removing the mask in order to drink their beer.

All they have to do is a hold a beer in their hands at all times, which most of them do anyway.

Sport seems to be exempt from COVID-19 rules and regulations.

sport is about

exposing yourself to risk of pain and suffering
moving out into the world in the spirit of adventure
resilience
toughness
grit
courage

You missed transcendence.

Excellent point

It's also about learning to incorporate aggression into a competitive spirit

The intellectual who does not play sport tries to repress that aggression
And then it usually spills out as bitterness

Dunno... Was Einstein bitter?

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: COVID in WA Reply #256 - Apr 30^th, 2021 at 6:32pm Stephen Hawking was so bitter he lived 60 years longer than he should of.
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aquascoot Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 36498 Gender:	Re: COVID in WA Reply #257 - Apr 30^th, 2021 at 7:14pm hawking had to overcome great adversity be resilient deal with physical set backs keep pushing forward despite his body being spent in many ways, he had the spirit of the elite athlete.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: COVID in WA Reply #258 - Apr 30^th, 2021 at 7:22pm aquascoot wrote on Apr 30^th, 2021 at 7:14pm: in many ways, he had the spirit of the elite athlete. Yes. he did.
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Re: COVID in WA
Reply #259 - Apr 30^th, 2021 at 8:15pm

aquascoot wrote on Apr 30^th, 2021 at 7:14pm:

hawking had to overcome great adversity
be resilient
deal with physical set backs
keep pushing forward despite his body being spent

in many ways, he had the spirit of the elite athlete.

But he didnt play sport. You claimed
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The intellectual who does not play sport tries to repress that aggression
And then it usually spills out as bitterness

Any evidence of this at all or just another bullsh1t Aquascoot claim based on you knowing nothing.

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Re: COVID in WA
Reply #260 - Apr 30^th, 2021 at 11:39pm

Overseas Australians could face jail for trying to come home

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-india-travel-loophole-qatar-to-be-...

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For the first time in history, the Australian government could make it illegal for Australian citizens in other countries to return home.

Nine News understands the Federal Government is considering invoking sweeping powers under the Biosecurity Act, which would mean from as early as midnight tomorrow, it would be a crime for anyone to return to Australia if they have been in a high-risk country 14 days prior to arriving.

The act empowers Health Minister Greg Hunt to do whatever is necessary to stop the spread of a listed disease.

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Penalties include five years jail or a $66,000 fine.

The move would come into effect days after two people circumvented travel bans from India, returning to Australia via Doha in a loophole that has since been closed.

With over 9000 Australians in India, the Federal Government has indicated they will restart repatriation flights as soon as they can, but with coronavirus rampant in India, that could be months away.

Well, this is an interesting development. But, unless something is done about the problem of continuing outbreaks from hotel quarantine and the increasing number of infected "returned travellers", especially from India, it probably had to happen eventually.

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: COVID in WA Reply #261 - Apr 30^th, 2021 at 11:44pm Probably a good idea anyway, theres enough Indians here already.
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Re: COVID in WA
Reply #262 - Apr 30^th, 2021 at 11:45pm

I have no issue with being germaphobic about various diseases. But, if you isolate the vulnerable to disease, and practice good hygiene and social distancing practices, you should be able to avoid excessive transmissions of viruses.

Trying to make it illegal to allow citizens to come home from overseas comes down to be a human rights violation. Two weeks quarantine and testing should be the only other requirement that new/returned arrivals should be subjected, on top of the practices they are required to do now.

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Re: COVID in WA
Reply #263 - May 1^st, 2021 at 12:05am

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 30^th, 2021 at 11:45pm:

I have no issue with being germaphobic about various diseases. But, if you isolate the vulnerable to disease, and practice good hygiene and social distancing practices, you should be able to avoid excessive transmissions of viruses.

Trying to make it illegal to allow citizens to come home from overseas comes down to be a human rights violation. Two weeks quarantine and testing should be the only other requirement that new/returned arrivals should be subjected, on top of the practices they are required to do now.

There's already legal action in progress from a group of stranded Australians.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/stranded-australians-have-filed-legal-action-with-th...

We'll probably be seeing more of this if these latest changes go ahead.

But, from what I've read somewhere recently, the Federal government will have 6 months to respond to any legal action of this nature and even if a ruling is made by the United Nations’ Human Rights Committee the government doesn't have to abide by it anyway (i.e. they can just ignore it).

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Reply #264 - May 1^st, 2021 at 12:16am

People were told to come home. Then people were told not to go. They were told this a number of times, this message was widely broadcast everywhere, including social media. Half of Australians overseas left in the last few months, it doesnt matter they were granted an exemption, they wanted the exemption which we now know was granted in many cases for frivolous reasons. These people applied for the exemption to travel thinking they were somehow above everyone else. F em.

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Reply #265 - May 1^st, 2021 at 12:29am

A letter writer in the paper the other day had an interesting idea since a lot of people are also complaining that they can't travel overseas at the moment.

He said that people should be allowed to leave Australia right now for any reason at all (since they don't pose a Covid threat by leaving) BUT on the understanding that they will go to the 'back of the queue' if they wish to return with no guarantee they will even get a flight back at all for the foreseeable future.

I agree. Mind you, I don't believe there is actually a 'queue' but, if there was one, it is definitely a good idea. It will at least make people think twice before leaving, especially for frivolous reasons, then hoping to get back again almost straight away.

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Reply #266 - May 1^st, 2021 at 12:46am

I bet there would be plenty of people in hotspots for covid19 willing to step over their dead mothers to get a plane trip to Australia or New Zealand. Allegedly, Cuba tried a policy of putting HIV positive people quarantined somewhere on the island, for the purposes of living out their days and not infecting other Cubans. Supposedly, it worked.

I could imagine that there a plenty of people that would use places like Australia and New Zealand as a refuge until case numbers die down in their countries. But, for people from Australia going overseas for anything not work-related, I do not see any reason why they cannot wait it out until the virus is under control. And for work-related matters, surely video calls and emails can do a lot more these days than a trip overseas.

Get citizens back home as soon as reasonably possible. But they can get tested and quarantined for 2 weeks after that.

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Reply #267 - May 2^nd, 2021 at 3:23pm

McGowan has done the right thing :

A crowd of 45,000 was due to attend the match after a 75 per cent capacity limit was imposed in the wake of Perth's Anzac Day weekend outbreak.

Mr McGowan said the decision to cancel attendance was made on medical advice.

"The decision to have no crowds at the stadium also helps us in preventing possible transmission on public transport," he said.

"Having 45,000 people try to get to [Perth] Stadium at the same time is too much of a risk.

"The game will still go on and people can watch the game from their own homes."

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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10121 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: COVID in WA Reply #268 - May 2^nd, 2021 at 5:15pm Wow, no-one was more surprised than I was when I heard there were not going to be any crowds at the game this afternoon. Well done, Mark McGowan. I wonder how many fans actually turned up at Optus Stadium earlier in the day before the announcement was made? Glad I didn't have to go anywhere near there today.
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Re: COVID in WA
Reply #269 - May 3^rd, 2021 at 8:52am

Western Australia regions of Perth and Peel face nervous wait as Premier Mark McGowan flags possible lockdown

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-03/perth-and-peel-wait-covid-tests-mcgowan-l...

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Western Australia is in a 'holding pattern" as authorities trace the movements of two food delivery drivers who caught COVID-19 from a housemate who worked in a Perth quarantine hotel.

On Sunday WA Premier Mark McGowan said Perth and the Peel region had avoided being plunged into another snap lockdown, just a week after the last one which was triggered by another case of COVID-19 transmission in a different quarantine hotel.

However, he stressed that could change as early as today, as more information about the two drivers' movements came to light.

So, there's STILL the possibility of another lockdown this week. Better check and make sure we've got enough toilet paper before I go to the shops later. Roll Eyes

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