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Reply #1725 - Nov 15th, 2022 at 5:02pm
 
The time for wearing masks and restricting movement is over.  It was sound policy initially, however once the majority of people were vaccinated it had no further purpose except in the case of especially vulnerable people, who are looked after by normal quarantine precautions anyway.   Unfortunately McGowan was one of the Premiers who got carried away by his newfound power and is reluctant to give it up. 

Edited to add I had not seen Greggys post above when I posted this. I am sorry for your personal circumstances.
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Reply #1726 - Nov 15th, 2022 at 7:10pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 5:02pm:
I went to visit my mother in hospital again today (RPH), and they've completely dropped all screening for the virus at the front door.

You no longer have to do the online questionnaire and show the big green tick on your phone to the security guys.

No proof of vaccination required, and I even saw people walking in without masks.

They just wave you right through now.  Ridiculous.

And, on an ever sadder more personal note, mum's not doing well.

She's in her 10th day of COVID now and she's had enough.

Can't eat, drink, or walk and can hardly talk.

She wants to stop all medication and treatment.  Says she's had enough and just wants to die   Cry

I'm hand feeding her the medication and keeping up her fluids manually too.

The more time I'm by her bed the more she perks up.

She's agreed to hang on for a few more days to see how the antivirals go.

Even though the doctors don't consider her to be critical, and believe she'll beat COVID, I don't see this ending well.

Lost my father earlier in the year, and now it looks like mum might not make it to Christmas.

I'll encourage her to keep fighting though  Smiley



I can't believe how we've gone from the best place in the world to be during this pandemic to one of the worst (if not THE worst) in such a short space of time.

There's too much of this "oh, it isn't mandated anymore so we don't have to do it now" BS going on. I'm still a bit stunned about when I took my aunt to see her GP last week and the first thing the receptionist told us was "you don't need to wear the masks anymore if you don't want to".

I also have to take my aunt to the Belmont Seniors Centre tomorrow morning to have her hair done and help out a bit with making coffees, etc. like she does every Wednesday. If she's still the only one there wearing a mask like she has been for the past few months I'm going to stop taking her there which will no doubt cause a row between us but I don't care.

I really hope your mother gets through this, Greg.
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Reply #1727 - Nov 15th, 2022 at 7:17pm
 
poo, Greg, that doesn’t sound good!
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Reply #1728 - Nov 15th, 2022 at 7:19pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 5:02pm:
The time for wearing masks and restricting movement is over.  It was sound policy initially, however once the majority of people were vaccinated it had no further purpose except in the case of especially vulnerable people, who are looked after by normal quarantine precautions anyway.   Unfortunately McGowan was one of the Premiers who got carried away by his newfound power and is reluctant to give it up. 


He's aleady given it up on November 4th.

WA’s State of Emergency to end 12.01am November 4, 2022

And, unfortunately, the vaccines (while saving many, many lives) are now hardly effective against the latest variants.

Our governments went for the "vaccines only then let it rip" approach which has proved to be a disaster but they won't admit they've made a big mistake and at least make some sort of effort to stop the uncontrolled spread of this rapidly mutating, vaccine and now antiviral evading virus like mandating masks.

Plus they're obviously afraid of the backlash from their corporate masters and a large part of the population who consider it a major inconvenience to wear a mask to protect the elderly and vulnerable.
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Reply #1729 - Nov 15th, 2022 at 7:41pm
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 7:19pm:
Belgarion wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 5:02pm:
The time for wearing masks and restricting movement is over.  It was sound policy initially, however once the majority of people were vaccinated it had no further purpose except in the case of especially vulnerable people, who are looked after by normal quarantine precautions anyway.   Unfortunately McGowan was one of the Premiers who got carried away by his newfound power and is reluctant to give it up. 


He's aleady given it up on November 4th.

WA’s State of Emergency to end 12.01am November 4, 2022

And, unfortunately, the vaccines (while saving many, many lives) are now hardly effective against the latest variants.

Our governments went for the "vaccines only then let it rip" approach which has proved to be a disaster but they won't admit they've made a big mistake and at least make some sort of effort to stop the uncontrolled spread of this rapidly mutating, vaccine and now antiviral evading virus like mandating masks.

Plus they're obviously afraid of the backlash from their corporate masters and a large part of the population who consider it a major inconvenience to wear a mask to protect the elderly and vulnerable.


Unfortunately Covid is here to stay. We must learn to live with it as we do with any other disease. Annual vaccinations for the most vulnerable and any others who want them, similar to the way we  mange the flu now, may be the way to go.  What we cannot do is indefinitely keep on with mask and movement restrictions.
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Reply #1730 - Nov 16th, 2022 at 7:46am
 
Hmm...

COVID in WA: Chief Health Officer Andy Robertson tips new virus wave to peak in early December

Paywalled as usual but you get the idea.

A few days ago we were being told it was going to be late November.

What's the bet it won't now be updated to mid or late December? Can't interfere with that all important Christmas shopping and spending spree, can we? Not to mention people booking flights for holidays, etc.

And, I'm betting after the "peak" the numbers won't start to come down too quickly... the only reason why they do come down between "waves" is because people become complacent and don't bother getting tested.

I've seen a few comments from people the past week where they're saying things like "Oh, it looks like Covid has returned". NEWS FLASH - it never went away (except in the media, of course).
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Reply #1731 - Nov 16th, 2022 at 9:57am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 5:02pm:
Carl D wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 3:19pm:
"urges"

"encouraged"

"consider"

We'll add them to the previously seen (and no doubt ignored by most people):

"recommended"

"strongly recommended"

and "please follow this advice"

This is the most polite mass death and disabling event ever.


I went to visit my mother in hospital again today (RPH), and they've completely dropped all screening for the virus at the front door.

You no longer have to do the online questionnaire and show the big green tick on your phone to the security guys.

No proof of vaccination required, and I even saw people walking in without masks.

They just wave you right through now.  Ridiculous.

And, on an ever sadder more personal note, mum's not doing well.

She's in her 10th day of COVID now and she's had enough.

Can't eat, drink, or walk and can hardly talk.

She wants to stop all medication and treatment.  Says she's had enough and just wants to die   Cry

I'm hand feeding her the medication and keeping up her fluids manually too.

The more time I'm by her bed the more she perks up.

She's agreed to hang on for a few more days to see how the antivirals go.

Even though the doctors don't consider her to be critical, and believe she'll beat COVID, I don't see this ending well.

Lost my father earlier in the year, and now it looks like mum might not make it to Christmas.

I'll encourage her to keep fighting though  Smiley



That doesn’t sound good, Greg! If the medics are optimistic tho no reason why your Mum won’t pull through.
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Reply #1732 - Nov 16th, 2022 at 10:35am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 9:57am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 5:02pm:
Carl D wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 3:19pm:
"urges"

"encouraged"

"consider"

We'll add them to the previously seen (and no doubt ignored by most people):

"recommended"

"strongly recommended"

and "please follow this advice"

This is the most polite mass death and disabling event ever.


I went to visit my mother in hospital again today (RPH), and they've completely dropped all screening for the virus at the front door.

You no longer have to do the online questionnaire and show the big green tick on your phone to the security guys.

No proof of vaccination required, and I even saw people walking in without masks.

They just wave you right through now.  Ridiculous.

And, on an ever sadder more personal note, mum's not doing well.

She's in her 10th day of COVID now and she's had enough.

Can't eat, drink, or walk and can hardly talk.

She wants to stop all medication and treatment.  Says she's had enough and just wants to die   Cry

I'm hand feeding her the medication and keeping up her fluids manually too.

The more time I'm by her bed the more she perks up.

She's agreed to hang on for a few more days to see how the antivirals go.

Even though the doctors don't consider her to be critical, and believe she'll beat COVID, I don't see this ending well.

Lost my father earlier in the year, and now it looks like mum might not make it to Christmas.

I'll encourage her to keep fighting though  Smiley



That doesn’t sound good, Greg! If the medics are optimistic tho no reason why your Mum won’t pull through.


Yeah, but she's just fed up with being in and out of hospital all the time (16 admissions in the last 12 months).

She's giving up and is reluctant to take her medication, including the anti-virals.

Took me two hours yesterday to slowly feed her all the meds crushed up in yoghurt.

If I'm not there the staff don't have the time to do that, so she goes without sometimes.

When I got into the hospital at 10am yesterday she just wanted to die.

By the time I left at around 1pm she had perked up, and agreed to continue treatment (she has a wonderful doctor).

But it just drains me so much - every minute of the day I'm thinking about her laying there in the bed wasting away.

I have to get one of my kids to the airport and back over to the eastern states today, and want to have lunch with them before they go, so I won't get to see mum until later in the afternoon.

I'm dreading what she'll be like by then.

I need to call some people this morning to get some help - I'm just worn out after two years of looking after my parents and losing Dad earlier this year (I have no other family here to help me).

Anyway, COVID is alive and well in Perth - apart from my mother there are at least half a dozen other patients (that I've seen) in RPH with the virus.

I'm very disappointed in McGowan - he's going down the 'economy over lives' path now, and many people are going to die or get very sick around Christmas because of it.

At the very least he should be mandating masks in all shopping areas and public transport, but he doesn't even want to do that.
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Reply #1733 - Nov 16th, 2022 at 11:51am
 
I know what looking after frail old parents is like, Greg. Two sisters, several nieces, no help. One of my dear family stole all the photos on the mantelpiece, two pieces of jade of mine and Mum’s wedding ring.

One consolation re Mum’s death—she died before dementia took away everything. She knew we were there by her bedside in the hospital.
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Reply #1734 - Nov 16th, 2022 at 12:14pm
 
Hang in there Greg and don't hesitate to get extra help for your mother if you need to.

I was asked by my aunt's GP earlier this year (in private) if I needed any help with looking after my aunt but I said I'm OK for the moment. Like you, I don't have anyone else to help me.

If I didn't have a car I would definitely have to get help because I would never have my aunt taking public transport or even taxis these days. Actually, if it wasn't for my aunt I probably would have got rid of the car by now to save myself a lot of money (she does give me quite a bit towards it and I appreciate that of course) and the less money I have to pay to governments the happier I will be.

We do have relatives (my cousin and his wife) living in Secret Harbour who I'm sure would help us out if needed, they were meant to come and visit us last week but he's sick and his wife is worried about getting whatever he's got and then one or both of them passing it on to us.

He believes it isn't Covid because he's done 2 RAT's and they're both negative. I advised him to also get a PCR test (if he can get one) but I haven't heard anything more from them so far.

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Reply #1735 - Nov 16th, 2022 at 4:33pm
 
My aunt and I just got back from Belmont Forum about an hour ago.

Seemed to be about as many people wearing masks as there were on Monday - probably between 10 and 20 percent.

We noticed there were almost no painkillers (Panadol, etc.) left on the shelves in Coles when we were in there. Hardly any cough mixture left as well.

Didn't look in Woolies but I suspect it may have been the same there.

Now, what I'm wondering is - wouldn't it be cheaper (and no doubt better for their health because they probably wouldn't be coughing up a lung all day like I heard a few people doing today) if these people stocking up on Panadol and cough mixture, etc. just bought a box or two of high quality masks say, once a month (and wore them)?

I wonder if that idea ever occurred to any of them?

I doubt it.  Roll Eyes

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Reply #1736 - Nov 16th, 2022 at 4:38pm
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 4:33pm:
My aunt and I just got back from Belmont Forum about an hour ago.

Seemed to be about as many people wearing masks as there were on Monday - probably between 10 and 20 percent.

We noticed there were almost no painkillers (Panadol, etc.) left on the shelves in Coles when we were in there. Hardly any cough mixture left as well.

Didn't look in Woolies but I suspect it may have been the same there.

Now, what I'm wondering is - wouldn't it be cheaper (and no doubt better for their health because they probably wouldn't be coughing up a lung all day like I heard a few people doing today) if these people stocking up on Panadol and cough mixture, etc. just bought a box or two of high quality masks say, once a month (and wore them)?

I wonder if that idea ever occurred to any of them?

I doubt it.  Roll Eyes



I just got back from the airport.

Nobody inside was wearing a mask, and lots of people were coughing without even covering their mouths.

Christmas is gonna be a disaster this year.
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Reply #1737 - Nov 16th, 2022 at 5:16pm
 
I agree - Christmas will be a disaster.

Actually, the sudden shortage of painkillers like Panadol may not be entirely due to people having Covid but also because there's been talk of limiting the sale of painkillers lately.

Paracetamol limits flagged as self-harming rises

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An amendment to the Poisons Standard could see limits placed on how much over-the-counter paracetamol can be sold to consumers in one transaction, as the TGA attempts to curb misuse of the drug.


People are probably 'stocking up' ahead of any limits placed on the amounts they can buy in any one purchase.

And... wait for it... we might be seeing another round of toilet roll panic buying shortly but not because of lockdowns this time.

Sorbent boss warns toilet paper prices will rise as gas bill set to almost triple

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The boss of a major Australian toilet paper company has warned prices are about rise as the manufacturer’s gas bill is expected to almost triple.


I'm sure it'll be just like jumping into a time machine and going back to 2020.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #1738 - Nov 19th, 2022 at 2:39pm
 
Yes.

"Lost" somewhere by the WA government so it would seem.

No doubt in much the same way as this appears to have been "lost" by the Federal government.

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights Article 12, Section (c)

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(c) The prevention, treatment and control of epidemic, endemic, occupational and other diseases;


Mind you, that was adopted on 16 December 1966 by General Assembly resolution 2200A (XXI) so it's quite possible our current Federal government may need to be reminded of their obligations with them being the bunch of "forgetful" old fogeys they appear to be.

Which is what I'm hoping some human rights lawyers are doing right now.
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Reply #1739 - Nov 19th, 2022 at 2:53pm
 

Just got back from the hospital.

Three new COVID patients in my mother's room.

Not sure what happened to the three that were there yesterday - hopefully they're okay.

The security at the front entrance is even worse today - they didn't even look up to see who was entering.

No mask or vaccination required - just walk right in and go wherever you want.

They're still strict with the PPE on mum's ward though, which is a good thing.

I'm so good at putting on the PPE, that I get mistaken for a doctor every time I go in now   Grin

I spent some time looking after the other 3 patients in mum's room this morning - getting them drinks of water, boxes of tissues etc.  Felt good to help them out.

Nobody else ever seems to visit   Cry
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