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So, what's the big deal with Bitcoin?
Jan 3rd, 2021 at 1:31pm
 
This guy does a thorough job providing an insightful rundown of Bitcoin as an asset class - perhaps by the end you'll understand something of what the fuss is about!

The big movers are, the devaluation of world currencies bought about through massive ongoing Quantitative Easing, high levels of inflation on the horizon, Supply Shock (limited supply) and unprecedented inflow from Institutional Investment.

I'm not trying to preach or spruik here, I'm just trying to offer some useful information regarding something big that's going on in the financial world.


it's only 20min at 1.5 speed ... lol


"WHY Bitcoin is about to explode as an asset class + WHY everyone should have a piece!"

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Reply #1 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 3:21pm
 
Sounds like a pyramid scheme

The original intention of bitcoin was as a currency that isn't government controlled (very useful for criminals)
But now it's being looked at by speculative investors (ie gamblers)

If you are going to invest (gamble) in it only use money that you can afford to lose
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Re: So, what's the big deal with Bitcoin?
Reply #2 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 8:09pm
 
No way would I buy into the world's biggest Internet Scam.
Only 'desperate' people go for stuff like this.
Guinea Pigs first.
...not everything 'New' is good.
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Reply #3 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 8:37pm
 
Bitcoin has no intrinsic value.
It has no yield.
Noone needs bitcoins.

It is sort of like an influencer, a 'reality' tv show, or people who are 'famous' because they are in weekly media magazines. The paris hiltons or kim kardashians who are famous for being famous.
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Re: So, what's the big deal with Bitcoin?
Reply #4 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 10:05pm
 
I prefer the  Black Market - it's more reliable and has been around for many centuries globally.
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Re: So, what's the big deal with Bitcoin?
Reply #5 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 10:44pm
 
The trouble is that Govts. could make Bitcoin illegal.
If so - you could lose all your money
that is put into Bitcoin.
You can't buy anything from overseas unless it goes through customs
so the way you paid could be traced.
Bitcoin is very risky if
you were putting your life savings into it.
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Re: So, what's the big deal with Bitcoin?
Reply #6 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 10:46pm
 
I'm not going to try to convince anyone here ... lol
 
What is, is what is and what will be, will be.
When futures' seen as past, in our past we shall see!


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Reply #7 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 11:59pm
 
Personally, I think Bitcoin is a forerunner of an official currency  and market for an Australia that becomes an independent Republic.
Many people invested millions into 'The Island' - a Computer world that had millions of people inputting. The Economy of ART.

...sort of like the 'Real Australia' in waiting Wink
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Reply #8 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 12:39am
 
The world needs visionaries JaSin, yes there's something to like about your vision!

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By Robert GuySenior Writer - Financial Review

Analysis

How central banks boosted bitcoin

Deficits, debt and fears of currency debasement have stoked the record-breaking rally in digital currencies.

It's tempting to dismiss the surge in the price of bitcoin and ethereum as a speculative blow-off powered by hot money chasing momentum. But the rally in digital currencies reflects an unease about the unholy trinity of debt, deficits and debased currencies forged by policymakers desperate to revive growth.

The rally in bitcoin beyond $US30,000 ($38,850) is a digital indictment of the easy money policies embraced by the world's central banks, as increasingly aggressive balance sheet expansions obliterate the concept of a price for risk and fuel an ever-growing "everything bubble".

In an era when monetary policymakers are trying to out-dove each other, where once unconventional policies – such as quantitative easing and yield curve control – have become standard operating procedure, it's easy to understand why more capital is seeking an exit from, or a hedge against, a system where central banks have gone wild.

Bitcoin's deterministic monetary policy – only 21 million will be issued at a set pace – looks relatively sober compared to the $US3 trillion expansion in the Federal Reserve's balance sheet and $140 billion swelling in the Reserve Bank of Australia's since the start of the virus crisis.

Digital currencies are no longer the preserve of fintech geeks. Bitcoin has won the backing of US hedge fund legends Paul Tudor Jones and Stanley Druckenmiller, while US-listed companies Square and MicroStrategy have invested some of their corporate treasury in the digital currency.

Digital Asset Capital Management chief executive and co-founder Richard Galvin says 2020 was a "break-out year" for the sector amid an embrace of bitcoin's "digital gold" narrative and the broadening adoption of decentralised finance, or DeFi.

That shift in perception was reflected in its Digital Asset Fund returning about 420 per cent last year, while its DAF Liquid Venture Fund returned just under 500 per cent.

Where the growing interest in digital currencies reflects a desire to step outside the traditional central banking system, the adoption of DeFi highlights the flow of capital beyond traditional banking and finance.

The fusing together of capital and technology into programmable money provides innovators with a potentially powerful tool when interest rates are near zero, yields are miserly and central bank engineering of the shape of the yield curve has changed the rules of the banking and finance game.

Investors have been left with no choice but to chase risk in a world devoid of yield.

TINA – there is no alternative – has become the catchcry for investors pouring into stocks, commodities and digital currencies given the meagre returns on offer at the bank or in bonds.

But nominal yields only tell part of the story. Real, or inflation-adjusted, yields are nil or negative, meaning there is no opportunity cost for investors in non-income producing assets such as gold and digital currencies. The stock of debt trading at a negative yield stands at $US17.7 trillion.

Bitcoin has also been helped by the slide in the value of the US dollar to a 2˝-year low.

The prospect of yet more debt being deployed to prop up US growth in 2021 means more supply of dollars. This will keep the Fed buying bonds to repress yields as the US Treasury makes a greater call on lenders.

And around and around it goes.

Almost a decade on from the US having its credit rating downgraded from triple-A by Standard & Poor's, holders of US dollars in the form of US Treasuries have watched successful administrations make a mockery of the debt ceiling.

The August 2010 downgrade came when US government debt was $US14.3 trillion – it's now $US27 trillion. And let's not get started with the $US100 trillion-plus of long-term entitlements that still need to be paid and funded with yet more greenbacks.

While it's easy to claim bitcoin is being driven by speculators, its rise partly reflects concerns about the ongoing speculation by policymakers on the durability of debt-fuelled growth.

Central banks need only look in the mirror to understand bitcoin's success.


https://www.afr.com/markets/equity-markets/how-central-banks-boosted-bitcoin-202...
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Re: So, what's the big deal with Bitcoin?
Reply #9 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 4:37pm
 
Once BTC broke $1 breaking $1 million became inevitable. Looks up Greshams law. This is the start of the 2nd wave (institutional money) should run it up to 6 figures pretty easy.  I've been riding it since 2016, been retired for two years now. Do as you wish.
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Re: So, what's the big deal with Bitcoin?
Reply #10 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 5:08pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 3:21pm:
Sounds like a pyramid scheme

The original intention of bitcoin was as a currency that isn't government controlled (very useful for criminals)
But now it's being looked at by speculative investors (ie gamblers)

If you are going to invest (gamble) in it only use money that you can afford to lose



Pyramid scheme analogy is the same as any market-it relies on more capital being invested to raise the value of the vehicle, people who invested early and held take a disproportionate share of long term capital growth. If your going to call BTC a pyramid scheme you have to call everything a pyramid scheme- equities, bonds and real estate.
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Reply #11 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 8:32pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 4:37pm:
Once BTC broke $1 breaking $1 million became inevitable. Looks up Greshams law. This is the start of the 2nd wave (institutional money) should run it up to 6 figures pretty easy.  I've been riding it since 2016, been retired for two years now. Do as you wish.

Get out of here!  Cheesy
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Re: So, what's the big deal with Bitcoin?
Reply #12 - Jan 17th, 2021 at 12:05pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 5:08pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 3:21pm:
Sounds like a pyramid scheme

The original intention of bitcoin was as a currency that isn't government controlled (very useful for criminals)
But now it's being looked at by speculative investors (ie gamblers)

If you are going to invest (gamble) in it only use money that you can afford to lose



Pyramid scheme analogy is the same as any market-it relies on more capital being invested to raise the value of the vehicle, people who invested early and held take a disproportionate share of long term capital growth. If your going to call BTC a pyramid scheme you have to call everything a pyramid scheme- equities, bonds and real estate.


Incorrect.
Real estate is a physical asset and everyone has to live somewhere.
The share market relies on real companies making profits

Bitcoin doesn't actually exist, it's just bytes of data. Much like the .com bubble 20 years ago it is purely speculative
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Re: So, what's the big deal with Bitcoin?
Reply #13 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 11:41pm
 
Do fiat currencies have intrinsic value?

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Bitcoin is the first digital monetary system capable of storing all the money in the world for every individual, corporation, and government in a fair & equitable manner, without losing any of it. If that’s not intrinsically valuable, what is?

Michael Saylor, the CEO of Nasdaq-listed company Microstrategy


https://twitter.com/michael_saylor/status/1316054485781929984?lang=en


As far as speculation goes, bitcoin's volatility is expected to decrease over time as it's market cap increases.
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Reply #14 - Jan 20th, 2021 at 1:09am
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 4:37pm:
Once BTC broke $1 breaking $1 million became inevitable. Looks up Greshams law. This is the start of the 2nd wave (institutional money) should run it up to 6 figures pretty easy.  I've been riding it since 2016, been retired for two years now. Do as you wish.



Well done
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