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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Unobtanium ..... Dec 28^th, 2020 at 6:42am Sent to me by an American epal. Quote: An easy to understand presentation of the unsustainability and costliness ($, human, and environmental) of wind and solar energy in only 5:20.
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Reply #1 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 9:56am

Yep turns out green energy is not so green after all and leaves a carbon footprint that is substantial.

It's only recently that I have gone negative on green energy before that I thought it would be good to have both green and fossil fuels working together.

Now find one of these AGW religious maniacs and try telling them that wind farms and solar panels are bad for the environment....LOL

You better wear some riot gear..........

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Reply #2 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 12:34pm

Ajax wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 9:56am:

Yep turns out green energy is not so green after all and leaves a carbon footprint that is substantial.

It's only recently that I have gone negative on green energy before that I thought it would be good to have both green and fossil fuels working together.

Now find one of these AGW religious maniacs and try telling them that wind farms and solar panels are bad for the environment....LOL

You better wear some riot gear..........

I'd second that.

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111572 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Unobtanium ..... Reply #3 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 2:08pm Neferti wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 6:42am: Sent to me by an American epal. Quote: An easy to understand presentation of the unsustainability and costliness ($, human, and environmental) of wind and solar energy in only 5:20. Excellent video Nef. Everyone needs to watch it.
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Reply #4 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 2:55pm

Lots of misinformation in that video produced by a right wing conservative organisation which calls itself a University but is actually not. To start with there is no predefined limit on the capture of solar and wind energy, at this time it is only defined by the limit of our technology, to note, solar panels are twice as efficient and considerably cheaper than 5 years ago and we can expect them to become increasingly more viable as technology evolves. Really the video is full of nonsense and very little science based or factual claims, really quite simplistic claims aimed at the the unknowledgable.

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Reply #5 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 3:02pm

rhino wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 2:55pm:

solar panels are twice as efficient and considerably cheaper than 5 years ago and we can expect them to become increasingly more viable as technology evolves. .

In 1985 UNSW made a solar cell that was 20% efficient it was patented in 1992.

Today (2020) the best available solar cells are about 24% efficient which is nowhere near twice as efficient.

They haven't made huge gains in the last 30 years with solar panel efficiency.

Yes the cost has come down

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Reply #6 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 3:07pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 3:02pm:

rhino wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 2:55pm:

solar panels are twice as efficient and considerably cheaper than 5 years ago and we can expect them to become increasingly more viable as technology evolves. .

In 1985 UNSW made a solar cell that was 20% efficient it was patented in 1992.

Today (2020) the best available solar cells are about 24% efficient which is nowhere near twice as efficient.

They haven't made huge gains in the last 30 years with solar panel efficiency.

Yes the cost has come down

Like I said, aimed at the unknowledgable, like you demonstrate here. start with this, do some further reading and lets see if you actually qualify to debate me on this
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It is important to understand that the efficiency of an individual solar cell does not equate to the efficiency of solar panels (modules) as a system. While solar panel efficiency is generally around 15-20%, solar cell efficiency can reach 42% in some cases.

https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/blog/2014/11/how-efficient-are-solar-panels

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Reply #7 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 3:18pm

rhino wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 3:07pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 3:02pm:

rhino wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 2:55pm:

solar panels are twice as efficient and considerably cheaper than 5 years ago and we can expect them to become increasingly more viable as technology evolves. .

In 1985 UNSW made a solar cell that was 20% efficient it was patented in 1992.

Today (2020) the best available solar cells are about 24% efficient which is nowhere near twice as efficient.

They haven't made huge gains in the last 30 years with solar panel efficiency.

Yes the cost has come down

Like I said, aimed at the unknowledgable, like you demonstrate here. start with this, do some further reading and lets see if you actually qualify to debate me on this
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It is important to understand that the efficiency of an individual solar cell does not equate to the efficiency of solar panels (modules) as a system. While solar panel efficiency is generally around 15-20%, solar cell efficiency can reach 42% in some cases.

https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/blog/2014/11/how-efficient-are-solar-panels

I have been using solar panels for over 30 years on yachts.

Do you even read your links?

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Which Factors Determine Solar Panel Efficiency?

Solar panels are usually able to process 15% to 22% of solar energy into usable energy, depending on factors like placement, orientation, weather conditions, and similar. The amount of sunlight that solar panel systems are able to convert into actual electricity is called performance, and the outcome determines the solar panel efficiency.

To determine solar panel efficiency, panels are tested at Standard Test Conditions (STC). STC specifies a temperature of 25°C and an irradiance of 1,000 W/m2. This is the equivalent of a sunny day with the incident light hitting a sun-facing 37°-tilted surface. Under these test conditions, a solar panel efficiency of 15% with a 1 m2 surface area would produce 150 Watts.

What solar panels can achieve 42% efficiency under same test conditions are they the unobtanium brand?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 49229 Gender:	Re: Unobtanium ..... Reply #8 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 3:22pm rhino said CELLS, not panels! Whoops, thought this was in Extremism, sorry Booby!
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111572 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Unobtanium ..... Reply #9 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 3:29pm Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 3:22pm: rhino said CELLS, not panels! Whoops, thought this was in Extremism, sorry Booby! Monk, You called me "Booby" and you posted while banned. This will be reported.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 49229 Gender:	Re: Unobtanium ..... Reply #10 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 3:32pm You Christian! And after I warned you off posting in Critters and Gardens. Not honest, not a christian. An idiot and a hypocrite, fake christian. I made a simple mistake. I could have had lee banned forum wide but I am not an arsehole like you. I forgave Neferti her post in Cs&Gs too you non-christian!
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111572 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Unobtanium ..... Reply #11 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 3:34pm Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 3:32pm: You Christian! And after I warned you off posting in Critters and Gardens. Not honest, not a christian. An idiot and a hypocrite, fake christian. I made a simple mistake. I could have had lee banned forum wide but I am not an arsehole like you. You posted again whilst banned.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 49229 Gender:	Re: Unobtanium ..... Reply #12 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 3:46pm Prager “University!” Only a Booby would uncritically believe that rubbish!
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18852 Gender:	Re: Unobtanium ..... Reply #13 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 4:02pm Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 3:32pm: I could have had lee banned forum wide but I am not an arsehole like you. You threatened it and didn't follow through. You have also not provided a reason. An arsehole? - Perhaps.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18852 Gender:	Re: Unobtanium ..... Reply #14 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 4:03pm Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 3:46pm: Prager “University!” Only a Booby would uncritically believe that rubbish! You keep pushing and wonder about a banning?
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