The average time for a vaccine to go from inception and funding to market is 10.7 years. The COVID vaccine has achieved this in 7 months.

The average rate of a vaccine ever successfully reaching market is 7%.

The flu vaccine - one of the most studied and well funded in the history of science - has an effective protection rate of 40-60% annually. The COVID vaccines are claiming over 95% effectiveness.

The previous record for a vaccine being developed was four years for the mumps vaccine. Mumps was a well studied and understood medical condition long before vaccine research began. It was not a new, novel virus with unknown origins.

The COVID vaccines use a new, untried, uproven medical innovation relying on mRNA - genetic material - to modify the human body's genetic code. To impose this on any population, much more an entire planet, is a criminal act according to international statutes.

I leave it to googlers to determine the sources and veracity of these statemants.

Hey Kojak Horseman, we've exchanged a post or 3 about this.

Please admit you were wrong.

Phi wrote on Dec 9^th, 2020 at 1:31pm:




Harden the F up.

theres been a lot of hype.

obviously, big pharma (one of the most powerful politicial lobbies in the world) stand to make an absolute fortune.

vaccines are THE ONLY pharmaceutical product for which it is impossible to sue for injury.

america has a government compensation scheme (funded by taxpayers).

clearly to get this vaccine to work, they will have to vaccinate 100's of millions of children and teenagers.

considering that these people have virtually zero risk from the disease itself (a virus so weak in children that we need to test assymptomatic kids to detect its spread), it will be very very interesting what happens when the first child or teenager dies of an anaphylactic reaction (which i would think is almost a certainty).

it could be a george floyd moment .

time will tell.

you are CRAZY if you think the covid problem is now solved.

we are still in the early stages .

covid by the way has not killed 3 million people, HIV has killed 70 million.

just to keep things in perspective.

both alcohol and smoking kill more then covid by a factor of about 3 EVERY YEAR but big pharma cant make much cash out of those over the counter patches 

Phi wrote on Dec 9^th, 2020 at 1:46pm:




The vaccines applied on the skln?

> which international statutes?

Quote: I leave it to googlers to determine the sources and veracity of these statemants.

Some people can write, but they can't read. An Orstrayun, obviously.

> Harden the F up.

DAMN good, Bobby. Sure got a laugh out of that one!

> its up to you to prove yourself right.

You seem to be acting under several misconceptions. I post INFORMATION here that I consider may be useful to other Readers. How they INTERPRET that information is up to them. If they find it useful and can apply it to practical ends, then it's beneficial. If they regard it as inaccurate, misleading or just plain wrong, that's also fine: they're welcome to say so, and maybe even provide alternatives.

But I've no interest at all in PROVING anything, still less in "changing people's minds". This is especially true of Orstrayuns, since they have no "minds" to change, and the exercize would be pointless.

The simple fact is that NONE of the "burning topics" of the day CAN be "proved". Did Bill Gates fund the virus and have it started in Wuhan? There's no way that people like us can EVER prove or disprove such an assertion. Were Little Johnny Slicker and Dubya "consenting adults" when they slept together at the White House? Only a fly on the wall is privy to such secrets; ordinary mortals like you and I are not. Did Mr Horseman privately bojack his horse? Sadly, none here will ever know.

"Proof" is for Pseudos. None of today's crucial issues CAN be proved, nor disproved. THAT is the true difficulty - the fundamental dilemma - of the situation we face.

The COVID vaccines use a new, untried, uproven medical innovation relying on mRNA - genetic material - to modify the human body's genetic code. To impose this on any population, much more an entire planet, is a criminal act according to international statutes.


E.g. how does it modify the code