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Dec 7th, 2020 at 8:10am
 
The mild-mannered German scientist never anticipated becoming a Chinese propaganda star.

But Alexander Kekulé, director of the Institute for Biosecurity Research in Halle, Germany, has been all over the state-run media in China in recent days. News outlets have taken Kekulé's research out of context to suggest that Italy, not China, is where the coronavirus pandemic began. Photos of him have appeared on Chinese news sites under headlines reading, "China is innocent!"


Kekulé, who has repeatedly said that he believes the virus first emerged in China, was startled.

"This is pure propaganda," he said in an interview.


Facing global anger over their initial mishandling of the outbreak, Chinese authorities are now trying to rewrite the narrative of the pandemic by pushing theories that the virus originated outside China.

In recent days, Chinese officials have said that packaged food from overseas might have initially brought the virus to China. Scientists have released a paper positing that the pandemic could have started in India. The state news media has published false stories misrepresenting foreign experts, including Kekulé and officials at the World Health Organisation, as having said the coronavirus came from elsewhere.


Facing global anger over their initial mishandling of the outbreak, Chinese authorities are now trying to rewrite the narrative of the pandemic by pushing theories that the virus originated outside China.

In recent days, Chinese officials have said that packaged food from overseas might have initially brought the virus to China. Scientists have released a paper positing that the pandemic could have started in India. The state news media has published false stories misrepresenting foreign experts, including Kekulé and officials at the World Health Organisation, as having said the coronavirus came from elsewhere.



China's leader, Xi Jinping, has led a vigorous effort this year to play down his government's early failures in the crisis, instead arguing that the party's success in containing the virus shows the superiority of its authoritarian system.

The latest propaganda push gives Xi a fresh chance to stoke nationalist sentiment and distract from festering problems, including a lingering wealth gap. The government seems wary of inviting renewed scrutiny of its actions as the pandemic began to unfold, analysts say.


Xi most likely sees the party's missteps as a vulnerability and is eager to avoid potential challenges to his authority at home, said Erin Baggott Carter, an assistant professor of political science at the University of Southern California.

A recent paper by a group of scientists affiliated with the state-run Chinese Academy of Sciences indicated that the virus could have broken out in India before spreading to China.

"Wuhan is not the place where human-to-human SARS-CoV-2 transmission first happened," said the paper, which appeared last month on SSRN, an online scholarly repository


The paper, which was not peer-reviewed, had been submitted to The Lancet, a medical journal, for publication.

After drawing wide attention in the Chinese news media and in overseas outlets, the 22-page article vanished from online sites. A spokesperson for The Lancet said it had been removed from SSRN at the request of the paper's authors. The scientists did not respond to requests for comment.

The article was the latest in a series of comments and articles by Chinese scientists arguing that the virus had first surfaced in Italy, Spain or elsewhere before spreading to China.

While recent studies have indicated that the coronavirus may have infected people in the United States and elsewhere earlier than previously thought, researchers still believe the most likely explanation is that it started circulating in China


Edward Holmes, a professor at the University of Sydney who has studied the coronavirus, said the idea that the virus originated outside China seemed to be gaining traction for political purposes.

"It lacks scientific credibility and will only further fuel the conspiracy theories," he said.


https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/this-is-pure-propaganda-china-pushes-lies-to-h...i


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Reply #1 - Dec 7th, 2020 at 8:11am
 
Blaming USA, India, Italy.   

#FCKCCP
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Reply #2 - Dec 7th, 2020 at 8:40am
 

It originated in the US.

That's why it's called ACRV.

Dur!   Roll Eyes
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Reply #3 - Dec 7th, 2020 at 9:19am
 
Kekulé, who has repeatedly said that he believes the virus first emerged in China, was startled.

"This is pure propaganda," he said in an interview.
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Reply #4 - Dec 7th, 2020 at 10:16am
 
It started in Sydney, and the Chinese from Chinatown took it to the animal markets in Wuhan
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Reply #5 - Dec 9th, 2020 at 4:29pm
 
Because somehow 30,000 people in Australia can get sick from Asian people deliberately infecting Australians and it is somehow Australia's fault. That somehow Chinese people with the virus can cough over Australian steaks and it is someway Australia's fault. That an Asian woman who is diagnosed with the coronavirus can walk into a grocery store and be captured on video spitting over the fruits and vegetables, and somehow it is Australia's fault.

I fricken swear that the Chinese have to be the smuggest, arrogant, and most racist people on the planet.
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Reply #6 - Dec 9th, 2020 at 4:38pm
 
Trump calls it the China virus -

that proves it came from China.
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Reply #7 - Dec 19th, 2020 at 11:11am
 
Quote:
Facing global anger over their initial mishandling of the outbreak,


They certainly aren't the only ones who have mishandled it
The fact that the US is in such a complete mess is the fault of the US government.
The UK mishandled it, Sweden mishandled it, Italy mishandled it
In fact the whole of Europe are paying now for mishandling it over their summer
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Reply #8 - Dec 19th, 2020 at 1:18pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2020 at 8:40am:

It originated in the US.

That's why it's called ACRV.

Dur!   Roll Eyes




greggery,

It was Donald Trump who did it !

He cooked up the COVID-19 virus in his WH basement.


Its true, isn't greggery !!!               Tongue


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #9 - Dec 19th, 2020 at 1:19pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 9th, 2020 at 4:38pm:

Trump calls it the China virus -

that proves it came from China.




LOL !


Love ya bobby !         Grin



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Reply #10 - Dec 19th, 2020 at 1:24pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 19th, 2020 at 11:11am:

Quote:
Facing global anger over their initial mishandling of the outbreak,


They certainly aren't the only ones who have mishandled it
The fact that the US is in such a complete mess is the fault of the US government.
The UK mishandled it, Sweden mishandled it, Italy mishandled it

In fact the whole of Europe are paying now for mishandling it over their summer




I blame greggery !!!!!!!!        ....err, i mean Donald Trump, of course !

If only Hillary had won in 2016,    ....Donald Trump would never have been able, to release COVID-19 upon the whole world.

Its all true,      ....isn't it greggery !           Smiley

greggery will confirm, that its all true.



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Reply #11 - Dec 19th, 2020 at 1:32pm
 


WWW search...
people in "China", dying, due to winter power outages


I blame Australia !

And so does Xi Jinping.


.....and Donald Trump too !!





China's trade war with Australia backfires as country is ...
www.dailymail.co.uk › news › article-9063943
China...
1 day ago — China's decision to blacklist Australian coal has caused power shortages across ... are power outages and limits of heating and AC use during the cold winter ... Some 57 million people live in Zhejiang province, south of Shanghai,


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9063943/Chinas-trade-war-Australia-back...




Marxism is a very 'intelligent' and 'caring' political philosophy.
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Yadda wrote on Dec 19th, 2020 at 1:32pm:


Marxism is a very 'intelligent' and 'caring' political philosophy.
/sarc off





Q.
Whether it is Marxist regime, or nominally, a Democratic regime,
whether it is China, or whether it is a nation like Australia,
when countries FU, what is the cause of them becoming FU ?

A.
Lack, of proper, Political accountability.





A society of men, is a type of 'machine'.

When a machine is well maintained, it [will usually] continue to run well.

But when the maintenance crew decide 'F it, i can't be bothered, to do this.', and when they don't do their job properly,
soon enough, large machines will 'grind to a halt', through a lack of 'tender loving care' being applied to them.


The same, in a society of men [another type of 'machine'].

If everyone starts 'cheating', and the managers of a society of men [the political class] decide to abandon accountability for their own choices [and for the choices of others around them], then that society of men too, will tend to FU in a big way.

Venezuela, Nigeria, Zimbabue, South Africa, etc.


No accountability = = no one is responsible [....for getting    REAL   things done, 'helpful' things done].

And then, one day soon, it 'all falls in a heap'.


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Choices, have consequences.

If we [collectively] continue, and continue, to make poor choices,     ...then we shouldn't act surprised when we see unpleasant consequences, in front of our eyes.


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Reply #13 - Dec 19th, 2020 at 2:31pm
 
Bear with me for a minute or two......

" p.80  President Yeltsin stood in the ashes of communism desperate for a plan to restore his shocked nation.  He grasped for the shock therapy of American economist Jeffrey Sachs to jump-start a free market economy.  Prices on nearly all consumer goods would be allowed to rise to market levels, but there would be no immediate rise in wages and few if any regulations on capital and investment.  It was the wild west of free markets.  It was radical surgery without anaesthesia.

p.82  Boris Yeltsin found himself presiding over the wholesale plunder of national assets by wealthy investors using gangster tactics to gain control of entire industries such as oil and gas production.  Again capitalism, not Yeltsin's imprudence, was blamed for this piracy of Russian wealth.


How startlingly familiar much of this sounds with the current malaise of the West....... and specifically Australia with its 'free market capitalism', blithe unthinking handing over of public utilities etc (and 'leases' on islands) to private (gangster) hands, associated with wages reduction/flattening.  A sure way to fatten the few mates while starving the majority to death.

** We of The West, of course - are in the dire position that it is rising/escalating costs that need to be controlled first so that incomes can catch up, or we are doomed to an endless spiral of inflation, merry-go-round cost/wage increases, and incipient near-poverty for the many ... let alone the 'inability' to 'compete' with nations that DO starve their people or near reduce them under the despotism of poverty via low incomes (FFS).

This next is a gem - and I'm guilty of this myself to some extent in discussion of Socialism (as opposed to what I define as Ultra-Socialism):-

(p.80 again)  "In articles, manifestoes and academic texts, leftists the world over claimed that the Marxist economies they had supported and defended did not represent 'real socialism' and 'were not what they had meant to defend'."


Ref:- "Savage Messiah -
How Dr Jordan Peterson Is Saving Western Civilisation


Now I beg to differ here - again - at no time EVER have I defended Marxist economies and I take great exception to having discussion of Socialism lumped in with the extremes, as is the usual case. This is merely a puerile attempt to discredit discussion of true Socialism by using the 'reference to Hitler' - in this case 'reference to North Korea' - approach. 

I will however, defend the need for a degree of socialism within any viable society.... and refuse to accept that such a concept implies 'defending' Marxist economies.  Even ScoMoCo paid obeisance to a degree of one component of Socialism with its stimulus packages... other components such as childcare allowances and PPL** and all such remain part of Socialist policy making... yet are never discussed as such but are somehow a 'market force' handed down by right wing government...

That makes as much sense as Greta shooting a hole in the bottom of the Old White Man's boat she sails on while on the High Seas....


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Removal of those would instantly create a fairer job market, fairer 'equality' across the board due to the forces that would be invoked, a genuine level of 'full employment', and would remove the 'need' for affirmative action in all its manifestations - not to mention the end of the beginning - the restoration of the (complete and orthodox) Family Unit as the social and economic unit.


Point of Post = China is no Falcon better or different!!
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Reply #14 - Dec 19th, 2020 at 7:03pm
 
Ye Grappier wrote :- "Now I beg to differ here - again - at no time EVER have I defended Marxist economies and I take great exception to having discussion of Socialism lumped in with the extremes, as is the usual case. This is merely a puerile attempt to discredit discussion of true Socialism by using the 'reference to Hitler' - in this case 'reference to North Korea' - approach. 

I will however, defend the need for a degree of socialism within any viable society.... and refuse to accept that such a concept implies 'defending' Marxist economies.”


Putting aside for now the problem of any agreed definition of what ‘true Socialism’ might be, I fully accept the notion references to Hitler are often problematic. However, the problem with erecting rigid prohibitions of this kind arises when another ‘Hitler’ appears. I claim the present Chinese leadership fully fits that description.
We are on the edge of a form of warfare with Chinese gangster capitalism ( I refuse to call it socialism) finding ourselves in a position frighteningly similar to the lead up to World War II. That opportunism and blind pragmatism is leading western capitalists to turn a blind eye to this threat reveals the moral vacuum of our age. Instance, the Chinese 'fishing fleet’ ( often Chinese navy ships under the surface) brazenly fishing in Australian waters tells me we're being taken for the fools we are.

I wonder about your meaning when you say "I will however, defend the need for a degree of socialism within any viable society....” My view is rigid adherence to either a left or right ideology makes little sense either way. If, for instance, we decide to run a state supported medical benefits scheme (rather than leaving the populace open to the abuses a US style system) there’s no need to describe such as ‘socialist’.
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