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Reply #30 - Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 4:53pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 3:39pm:

Aqua one way to go is a 3 year old Merc with full Merc service history. It's been hit hard with the depreciation stick and you get a lovely car and if anything goes wrong Merc are reasonable at out of warranty claims.

its the paradox gordon,
it sort of proves the point of "pure markets".

a second hand merc is a money pit but incredible value compared to new.

a second hand toyota is very poor value. (because it hasnt gotten cheap)

most luxury cars are leased by doctors, lawyers, real estate agents , written off and flipped after 3 or so years.

so they might still have some good miles in them.

but beware that you probably will get nothing for it when it is 10 years old and you wont be able to do any servicing on it above the basics and the dealers will extort you if something fails .

that actually ISNT true of some european vans.
the mercedes delivery vans are awesome.

why?

because they arent brought by rich professionals who waste cash

they are brought by logistics companies with accountants who crunch numbers.

and if your mercedes van costs a bomb to service, those accountants are onto it.
and its bye bye mercedes

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Reply #31 - Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 6:15pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 4:53pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 3:39pm:

Aqua one way to go is a 3 year old Merc with full Merc service history. It's been hit hard with the depreciation stick and you get a lovely car and if anything goes wrong Merc are reasonable at out of warranty claims.

its the paradox gordon,
it sort of proves the point of "pure markets".

a second hand merc is a money pit but incredible value compared to new.

a second hand toyota is very poor value. (because it hasnt gotten cheap)

most luxury cars are leased by doctors, lawyers, real estate agents , written off and flipped after 3 or so years.

so they might still have some good miles in them.

but beware that you probably will get nothing for it when it is 10 years old and you wont be able to do any servicing on it above the basics and the dealers will extort you if something fails .

that actually ISNT true of some european vans.
the mercedes delivery vans are awesome.

why?

because they arent brought by rich professionals who waste cash

they are brought by logistics companies with accountants who crunch numbers.

and if your mercedes van costs a bomb to service, those accountants are onto it.
and its bye bye mercedes

A believe about 70% of new Mercs in Australia are leased, so I'd love to see their balance sheet and suspect revenue from leasing and finance beats parts

Also, early this year Merc changed their warranty from 3 to 5 years but of course, the lease stays at 36 months so it will be interesting to see how well that supports the used price.

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Reply #32 - Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 7:12pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 4:09am:

Seems turbo petrols are the future.
They can be tuned for whatever purpose, reliability seems good. More efficient.

The torque power curve from a mazda 2.5 turbo has diesel like characteristics

Turbos can be expensive when service requires a turbo rebuild. Check service records before buying second hand they might be due for one.

They also need premium 98 octane if they have reasonable boost.

With the speed limits we have along with revenue raising speed cameras you don't really need a turbo unless it's a turbo diesel for towing.

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Reply #33 - Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 7:22pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 3:26pm:

The paradoxical thing is that because toyotas hold their value so well ( though I think Mazda and Honda are just as good), you are ok to buy a new one because you don't take such a hit if you have to sell it in 5 years.

That is MORE true for corollas which are cheaper then camrys new, but are more expensive then camrys as time goes on.

That may not be true of a yaris rallye because that's not a boring car and the perception is that the owner may have flogged it.

I would keep meticulous service records and probably get a good scan tool for that car and record some driving data to show you weren't being abusive to it .

I researched used Corollas to buy about a decade ago.
I thought they depreciated so little, you may as well buy a brand new one !!!

Bought my camry about 5 years ago for $6500.
It now has 275,000 kms on it, is a 2008 model.
Prob get $5000 for it ?
It's a really good car, carries a 2.4M length of wood on it easily.
Quiet, smooth to drive. Usual repair bills, tyres, brakes, servicing.

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Reply #34 - Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 7:31pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 7:22pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 3:26pm:

The paradoxical thing is that because toyotas hold their value so well ( though I think Mazda and Honda are just as good), you are ok to buy a new one because you don't take such a hit if you have to sell it in 5 years.

That is MORE true for corollas which are cheaper then camrys new, but are more expensive then camrys as time goes on.

That may not be true of a yaris rallye because that's not a boring car and the perception is that the owner may have flogged it.

I would keep meticulous service records and probably get a good scan tool for that car and record some driving data to show you weren't being abusive to it .

I researched used Corollas to buy about a decade ago.
I thought they depreciated so little, you may as well buy a brand new one !!!

Bought my camry about 5 years ago for $6500.
It now has 275,000 kms on it, is a 2008 model.
Prob get $5000 for it ?
It's a really good car, carries a 2.4M length of wood on it easily.
Quiet, smooth to drive. Usual repair bills, tyres, brakes, servicing.

Aqua is spot on regarding Toyota depreciation. (lack of).

I like to buy 18 month old cars with very low Ks for a bargain.
Wifey wanted a Rav so went looking at used, and used car dealers were actually selling old shape ones, 2 year old for what I could buy the comparable new shape for.

Amazing.

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Reply #36 - Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 8:08pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 7:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 7:22pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 3:26pm:

The paradoxical thing is that because toyotas hold their value so well ( though I think Mazda and Honda are just as good), you are ok to buy a new one because you don't take such a hit if you have to sell it in 5 years.

That is MORE true for corollas which are cheaper then camrys new, but are more expensive then camrys as time goes on.

That may not be true of a yaris rallye because that's not a boring car and the perception is that the owner may have flogged it.

I would keep meticulous service records and probably get a good scan tool for that car and record some driving data to show you weren't being abusive to it .

I researched used Corollas to buy about a decade ago.
I thought they depreciated so little, you may as well buy a brand new one !!!

Bought my camry about 5 years ago for $6500.
It now has 275,000 kms on it, is a 2008 model.
Prob get $5000 for it ?
It's a really good car, carries a 2.4M length of wood on it easily.
Quiet, smooth to drive. Usual repair bills, tyres, brakes, servicing.

Aqua is spot on regarding Toyota depreciation. (lack of).

I like to buy 18 month old cars with very low Ks for a bargain.
Wifey wanted a Rav so went looking at used, and used car dealers were actually selling old shape ones, 2 year old for what I could buy the comparable new shape for.

Amazing.

Dealer demonstrators are good value usually have around 2000 km with huge discount and full warranty.

My Lancer VRX was $35K new being a demonstrator they knocked it down to $25K with 10 year drivetrain warranty.

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Re: Turbo Petrol are in fashion
Reply #37 - Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 9:04pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 7:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 7:22pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 3:26pm:

The paradoxical thing is that because toyotas hold their value so well ( though I think Mazda and Honda are just as good), you are ok to buy a new one because you don't take such a hit if you have to sell it in 5 years.

That is MORE true for corollas which are cheaper then camrys new, but are more expensive then camrys as time goes on.

That may not be true of a yaris rallye because that's not a boring car and the perception is that the owner may have flogged it.

I would keep meticulous service records and probably get a good scan tool for that car and record some driving data to show you weren't being abusive to it .

I researched used Corollas to buy about a decade ago.
I thought they depreciated so little, you may as well buy a brand new one !!!

Bought my camry about 5 years ago for $6500.
It now has 275,000 kms on it, is a 2008 model.
Prob get $5000 for it ?
It's a really good car, carries a 2.4M length of wood on it easily.
Quiet, smooth to drive. Usual repair bills, tyres, brakes, servicing.

Aqua is spot on regarding Toyota depreciation. (lack of).

I like to buy 18 month old cars with very low Ks for a bargain.
Wifey wanted a Rav so went looking at used, and used car dealers were actually selling old shape ones, 2 year old for what I could buy the comparable new shape for.

Amazing.

Goodness me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Turbo Petrol are in fashion
Reply #38 - Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 10:02pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 9:04pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 7:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 7:22pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2020 at 3:26pm:

The paradoxical thing is that because toyotas hold their value so well ( though I think Mazda and Honda are just as good), you are ok to buy a new one because you don't take such a hit if you have to sell it in 5 years.

That is MORE true for corollas which are cheaper then camrys new, but are more expensive then camrys as time goes on.

That may not be true of a yaris rallye because that's not a boring car and the perception is that the owner may have flogged it.

I would keep meticulous service records and probably get a good scan tool for that car and record some driving data to show you weren't being abusive to it .

I researched used Corollas to buy about a decade ago.
I thought they depreciated so little, you may as well buy a brand new one !!!

Bought my camry about 5 years ago for $6500.
It now has 275,000 kms on it, is a 2008 model.
Prob get $5000 for it ?
It's a really good car, carries a 2.4M length of wood on it easily.
Quiet, smooth to drive. Usual repair bills, tyres, brakes, servicing.

Aqua is spot on regarding Toyota depreciation. (lack of).

I like to buy 18 month old cars with very low Ks for a bargain.
Wifey wanted a Rav so went looking at used, and used car dealers were actually selling old shape ones, 2 year old for what I could buy the comparable new shape for.

Amazing.

Goodness me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take a look at relatively low km 15+ years old 100-series Land Cruisers...particularly petrol V8 and turbo-diesel 6s.

You'll be surprised (shocked, more likely) at the money they go for.

Primarily, because they are solid vehicles, with a very good parts and support network.

Break down somewhere "out the back of Burke", and your experience will differ, depending on what you're driving.

Scenario 1:

"I'm in a 100-series Cruiser".

"We can have the part here in a week, at worst."

Scenario 2:

"I'm in a <European 4WD>"

"I hope you have plenty of money..." (Or, more likely, "Mate, this is going to cost you a sh*tload!")

Guess which ones go for decent money these days...

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Reply #39 - Dec 6^th, 2020 at 2:30pm

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Quote:

.......... Things are different today. The current Mustang EcoBoost's standard turbo four-banger makes 310 horsepower and 350 lb-ft of torque. For comparison, the fourth-gen Mustang GT, with its 4.6-liter V-8, maxed out at 260 ponies and 302 lb-ft ............

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a29145957/2020-ford-mustang-ecoboost-high-p...

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