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Reply #15 - Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:14pm
 
Ajax wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:12pm:
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Ajax wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:07pm:
Australian government spent $70 billion on green investment and subsidies.




Reference?

https://reneweconomy.com.au/global-fossil-fuel-subsidies-reach-5-2-trillion-and-...


I'm not for any subsidizing whether its fossil fuel or green energy.

You wan to create a business and make profits fine, but don't expect tax payer dollars to back you up.



Interseting how this only manifests in throwing out drivel about renewable subsidies and keeping silent on the coal ones.
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Re: Biden's $1.7 trillion "green" investment
Reply #16 - Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:15pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:10pm:
Ajax wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:07pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 2:02pm:
lee wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 2:00pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 1:33pm:
Then you'd get your first erection for a decade?



No petal. You? Wink




Not really, increased environmental spending interests me from an intellectual point of view.


Australian government spent $70 billion on green investment and subsidies.

No wonder the oligarchy love green energy.... Cheesy

Government burn $70 billion a year subsidizing renewables, and wild claims of “fossil fuel subsidies” debunked

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/09/government-burn-70-billion-a-year-subsidizing-r...



ONe of these days we need a chat about how to assess a reference.


My mistake that was not only Australia but the whole world.

Jonova is a reliable source.
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Re: Biden's $1.7 trillion "green" investment
Reply #17 - Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:15pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:14pm:
Ajax wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:12pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:09pm:
Ajax wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:07pm:
Australian government spent $70 billion on green investment and subsidies.




Reference?

https://reneweconomy.com.au/global-fossil-fuel-subsidies-reach-5-2-trillion-and-...


I'm not for any subsidizing whether its fossil fuel or green energy.

You wan to create a business and make profits fine, but don't expect tax payer dollars to back you up.



Interseting how this only manifests in throwing out drivel about renewable subsidies and keeping silent on the coal ones.


Did you not read what I wrote.


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Reply #18 - Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:21pm
 
further down same reference

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[UNCTAD]

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“Green government procurement will also be essential in the early stages of a transition to a green economy. In 2009, global green stimulus spending reached $200 billion.”


http://joannenova.com.au/2012/09/government-burn-70-billion-a-year-subsidizing-r...
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Reply #19 - Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:25pm
 
Either way if fossil fuel subsidies are a honey pot.

Then green energy subsidies are jam and marmalade.

The oligarchy can happily digest both.
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Re: Biden's $1.7 trillion "green" investment
Reply #20 - Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:27pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:09pm:
https://reneweconomy.com.au/global-fossil-fuel-subsidies-reach-5
-2-trillion-and-...



Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

The IMF? Grin Grin Grin Grin The study that  used depreciation as a subsidy? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

You know those "subsidies" that Wind Generators and Solar farms get? Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #21 - Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:34pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:27pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:09pm:
https://reneweconomy.com.au/global-fossil-fuel-subsidies-reach-5
-2-trillion-and-...



Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

The IMF? Grin Grin Grin Grin The study that  used depreciation as a subsidy? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

You know those "subsidies" that Wind Generators and Solar farms get? Grin Grin Grin Grin



Indeed.
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Reply #22 - Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:37pm
 
The IMF’s Huge Miscalculation of Energy Subsidies

"Criticizing countries like India and China (or Kiribati) for the $424 billion spent on real subsidies is unlikely to attract the attention of rich world elites. To implicate developed country governments and create outrage, the IMF adds everything that they believe should be included in the cost of fossil fuels, and say that by not including these costs in the price of fuel, countries are “subsidizing” fossil fuels. "

"So what’s included in this outsized re-definition? First, the IMF comes up with a price-tag of $2.3 trillion for air pollution. Burning coal is incredibly polluting, so the IMF claims coal is subsidized because it doesn’t pay for all the air pollution it causes. "

"The IMF calculates that China’s coal air pollution costs $720 billion per year. This is a vast exaggeration: two recent studies show China’s total air pollution costs $27-38 billion, or one-twentieth as much. And this is the cost for all air pollution, with another study showing less than half can be blamed on coal. So, the IMF has claimed that coal air pollution is 40 times costlier than it is, and then mislabeled this as a “subsidy”.

Next, the IMF claims that gasoline and diesel-driven cars cause a huge amount of congestion and traffic accidents. Sure they do – but so do electric vehicles. This is an argument for congestion charges and better road design, safety measures and speed limit enforcement.  The absurdity is revealed when we realize that according to this logic, governments could reduce their fossil fuel “subsidies” by building more roads.

The authors go on to claim that every nation should implement a consistent VAT across all products. Because they don’t, the IMF counts “missing” VAT in countries like the USA as a subsidy. Not only is this an even more bizarre definition of “subsidy”, but it suggests the IMF’s political views on taxation should overrule the decisions of democratically elected governments.

Finally, the authors claim there’s a whopping cost of more than $1.3 trillion from global warming. They are correct that climate change has a real cost and should be included in the price of fossil fuels. That doesn’t make it a subsidy though – and it’s very odd they use a carbon tax more than five-times higher than the best estimate for the real world.

In trying to give grist to environmental campaigners in the West, the IMF’s politically motivated report distracts from the important issue of encouraging the world to dismantle the $424 billion left in fossil fuel subsidies. It might not generate as many headlines, but the IMF should be in the business of careful and sensible economics."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bjornlomborg/2020/01/17/the-imfs-huge-miscalculatio...
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Re: Biden's $1.7 trillion "green" investment
Reply #23 - Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:44pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:37pm:
The IMF’s Huge Miscalculation of Energy Subsidies

"Criticizing countries like India and China (or Kiribati) for the $424 billion spent on real subsidies is unlikely to attract the attention of rich world elites. To implicate developed country governments and create outrage, the IMF adds everything that they believe should be included in the cost of fossil fuels, and say that by not including these costs in the price of fuel, countries are “subsidizing” fossil fuels. "

"So what’s included in this outsized re-definition? First, the IMF comes up with a price-tag of $2.3 trillion for air pollution. Burning coal is incredibly polluting, so the IMF claims coal is subsidized because it doesn’t pay for all the air pollution it causes. "

"The IMF calculates that China’s coal air pollution costs $720 billion per year. This is a vast exaggeration: two recent studies show China’s total air pollution costs $27-38 billion, or one-twentieth as much. And this is the cost for all air pollution, with another study showing less than half can be blamed on coal. So, the IMF has claimed that coal air pollution is 40 times costlier than it is, and then mislabeled this as a “subsidy”.

Next, the IMF claims that gasoline and diesel-driven cars cause a huge amount of congestion and traffic accidents. Sure they do – but so do electric vehicles. This is an argument for congestion charges and better road design, safety measures and speed limit enforcement.  The absurdity is revealed when we realize that according to this logic, governments could reduce their fossil fuel “subsidies” by building more roads.

The authors go on to claim that every nation should implement a consistent VAT across all products. Because they don’t, the IMF counts “missing” VAT in countries like the USA as a subsidy. Not only is this an even more bizarre definition of “subsidy”, but it suggests the IMF’s political views on taxation should overrule the decisions of democratically elected governments.

Finally, the authors claim there’s a whopping cost of more than $1.3 trillion from global warming. They are correct that climate change has a real cost and should be included in the price of fossil fuels. That doesn’t make it a subsidy though – and it’s very odd they use a carbon tax more than five-times higher than the best estimate for the real world.

In trying to give grist to environmental campaigners in the West, the IMF’s politically motivated report distracts from the important issue of encouraging the world to dismantle the $424 billion left in fossil fuel subsidies. It might not generate as many headlines, but the IMF should be in the business of careful and sensible economics."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bjornlomborg/2020/01/17/the-imfs-huge-miscalculatio...


GOLD............ Cool

The IMF, the World Bank and the United Nations all ruled and governed by the olicarchy.
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Reply #24 - Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:48pm
 
Ajax wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:44pm:
lee wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:37pm:
The IMF’s Huge Miscalculation of Energy Subsidies

"Criticizing countries like India and China (or Kiribati) for the $424 billion spent on real subsidies is unlikely to attract the attention of rich world elites. To implicate developed country governments and create outrage, the IMF adds everything that they believe should be included in the cost of fossil fuels, and say that by not including these costs in the price of fuel, countries are “subsidizing” fossil fuels. "

"So what’s included in this outsized re-definition? First, the IMF comes up with a price-tag of $2.3 trillion for air pollution. Burning coal is incredibly polluting, so the IMF claims coal is subsidized because it doesn’t pay for all the air pollution it causes. "

"The IMF calculates that China’s coal air pollution costs $720 billion per year. This is a vast exaggeration: two recent studies show China’s total air pollution costs $27-38 billion, or one-twentieth as much. And this is the cost for all air pollution, with another study showing less than half can be blamed on coal. So, the IMF has claimed that coal air pollution is 40 times costlier than it is, and then mislabeled this as a “subsidy”.

Next, the IMF claims that gasoline and diesel-driven cars cause a huge amount of congestion and traffic accidents. Sure they do – but so do electric vehicles. This is an argument for congestion charges and better road design, safety measures and speed limit enforcement.  The absurdity is revealed when we realize that according to this logic, governments could reduce their fossil fuel “subsidies” by building more roads.

The authors go on to claim that every nation should implement a consistent VAT across all products. Because they don’t, the IMF counts “missing” VAT in countries like the USA as a subsidy. Not only is this an even more bizarre definition of “subsidy”, but it suggests the IMF’s political views on taxation should overrule the decisions of democratically elected governments.

Finally, the authors claim there’s a whopping cost of more than $1.3 trillion from global warming. They are correct that climate change has a real cost and should be included in the price of fossil fuels. That doesn’t make it a subsidy though – and it’s very odd they use a carbon tax more than five-times higher than the best estimate for the real world.

In trying to give grist to environmental campaigners in the West, the IMF’s politically motivated report distracts from the important issue of encouraging the world to dismantle the $424 billion left in fossil fuel subsidies. It might not generate as many headlines, but the IMF should be in the business of careful and sensible economics."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bjornlomborg/2020/01/17/the-imfs-huge-miscalculatio...


GOLD............ Cool

The IMF, the World Bank and the United Nations all ruled and governed by the olicarchy.



GO on say it, you know you want to.


Agen.....one.
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Reply #25 - Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:55pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:48pm:
GO on say it, you know you want to.


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Re: Biden's $1.7 trillion "green" investment
Reply #26 - Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:56pm
 
Ajax wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:55pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:48pm:
GO on say it, you know you want to.


Agen.....one.


If you're smirking the jokes on you... Wink Smiley



Who's smirking, I'm scared of your types.
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Re: Biden's $1.7 trillion "green" investment
Reply #27 - Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:59pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:56pm:
Ajax wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:55pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:48pm:
GO on say it, you know you want to.


Agen.....one.


If you're smirking the jokes on you... Wink Smiley



Who's smirking, I'm scared of your types.


And what type might that be dear........ Roll Eyes
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Re: Biden's $1.7 trillion "green" investment
Reply #28 - Nov 9th, 2020 at 4:01pm
 
Ajax wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:59pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:56pm:
Ajax wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:55pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:48pm:
GO on say it, you know you want to.


Agen.....one.


If you're smirking the jokes on you... Wink Smiley



Who's smirking, I'm scared of your types.


And what type might that be dear........ Roll Eyes


QAnon/SovCit/Cters.
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Reply #29 - Nov 9th, 2020 at 4:03pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 4:01pm:
Ajax wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:59pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:56pm:
Ajax wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:55pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2020 at 3:48pm:
GO on say it, you know you want to.


Agen.....one.


If you're smirking the jokes on you... Wink Smiley



Who's smirking, I'm scared of your types.


And what type might that be dear........ Roll Eyes


QAnon/SovCit/Cters.


Conspiracy theorist that's the best you got.
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