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Re: Is a V8 petrol comparable to a V8 diesel for towin
Reply #15 - Oct 27th, 2020 at 5:36pm
 
Here we go

' .........2007 Toyota LandCruiser GXL Auto V8 Petrol
$25,000
2007 UZJ 100 Series 228,000 kms


5 Speed Auto, 2 New BF Goodrich Tyres on front -rear tyres are 80 % also BF Goodrich, Recently serviced,  Kings awning- tow bar and trailer brakes,  Aircon works great,  LightForce Spotts, 
Has a few very minor bumps ect but overall in good condition, Has 2 sets of keys and drives extremely smooth with plenty of power, 
This is the very last of the 100 Series model,
Comes with Roadworthy and registration until Nov 8 - 2020 '

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/eimeo/cars-vans-utes/2007-toyota-landcruiser-gxl...



' .......... 2006 100 series 1HD- FTE
$57,500,  This vehicle is in mint condition runs beautifully comes with RWC, plus Rego runs out in September this year. 216600klms plus comes with a full service history. All extras were all fitted professionally late last year. Only selling due to upgrade.

Lambs seat covers and ingle fridge not included but will come with a 78L ARB fridge. posted on other sites. Please call hubby ( Shane ) on ******0210 or private message myself if interested. ...'



$25K or $57.5K

A V8 petrol with 220,000 kms or a V8 diesel with 216,000 kms.

Have a guess at the future maintenance bills of the diesel.
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Reply #16 - Oct 28th, 2020 at 6:51am
 
So why the need for a gas-guzzling V8?

Especially in Urban/City areas.
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Re: Is a V8 petrol comparable to a V8 diesel for towin
Reply #17 - Oct 28th, 2020 at 1:06pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 5:36pm:
Here we go

' .........2007 Toyota LandCruiser GXL Auto V8 Petrol
$25,000
2007 UZJ 100 Series 228,000 kms5 Speed Auto, 2 New BF Goodrich Tyres on front -rear tyres are 80 % also BF Goodrich, Recently serviced,  Kings awning- tow bar and trailer brakes,  Aircon works great,  LightForce Spotts, 
Has a few very minor bumps ect but overall in good condition, Has 2 sets of keys and drives extremely smooth with plenty of power, 
This is the very last of the 100 Series model,
Comes with Roadworthy and registration until Nov 8 - 2020 '

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/eimeo/cars-vans-utes/2007-toyota-landcruiser-gxl...



' .......... 2006 100 series 1HD- FTE
$57,500,  This vehicle is in mint condition runs beautifully comes with RWC, plus Rego runs out in September this year. 216600klms plus comes with a full service history. All extras were all fitted professionally late last year. Only selling due to upgrade.

Lambs seat covers and ingle fridge not included but will come with a 78L ARB fridge. posted on other sites. Please call hubby ( Shane ) on ******0210 or private message myself if interested. ...'



$25K or $57.5K

A V8 petrol with 220,000 kms or a V8 diesel with 216,000 kms.

Have a guess at the future maintenance bills of the diesel.


While I take your point re: entry price and maintenance costs etc. diesel vs petrol, you are aware that the 1HD-FTE is a 6, right?

And yes, maintenance costs will be higher for the diesel. That said, if the 1HD is looked after, it will go forever. Same goes for the 2UZ, come to that. It's not for nothing that both engines are venerated as being bullet-proof reliable. In the fact, the 1HD-FTE is still regarded by many as superior in many ways to the 1VD-FTV V8 which replaced it.
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Reply #18 - Oct 28th, 2020 at 7:08pm
 
Mix_Master wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 1:06pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 5:36pm:
Here we go

' .........2007 Toyota LandCruiser GXL Auto V8 Petrol
$25,000
2007 UZJ 100 Series 228,000 kms5 Speed Auto, 2 New BF Goodrich Tyres on front -rear tyres are 80 % also BF Goodrich, Recently serviced,  Kings awning- tow bar and trailer brakes,  Aircon works great,  LightForce Spotts, 
Has a few very minor bumps ect but overall in good condition, Has 2 sets of keys and drives extremely smooth with plenty of power, 
This is the very last of the 100 Series model,
Comes with Roadworthy and registration until Nov 8 - 2020 '

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/eimeo/cars-vans-utes/2007-toyota-landcruiser-gxl...



' .......... 2006 100 series 1HD- FTE
$57,500,  This vehicle is in mint condition runs beautifully comes with RWC, plus Rego runs out in September this year. 216600klms plus comes with a full service history. All extras were all fitted professionally late last year. Only selling due to upgrade.

Lambs seat covers and ingle fridge not included but will come with a 78L ARB fridge. posted on other sites. Please call hubby ( Shane ) on ******0210 or private message myself if interested. ...'



$25K or $57.5K

A V8 petrol with 220,000 kms or a V8 diesel with 216,000 kms.

Have a guess at the future maintenance bills of the diesel.


While I take your point re: entry price and maintenance costs etc. diesel vs petrol, you are aware that the 1HD-FTE is a 6, right?

And yes, maintenance costs will be higher for the diesel. That said, if the 1HD is looked after, it will go forever. Same goes for the 2UZ, come to that. It's not for nothing that both engines are venerated as being bullet-proof reliable. In the fact, the 1HD-FTE is still regarded by many as superior in many ways to the 1VD-FTV V8 which replaced it.


Thanks, I was unaware the diesel was THE 6 cylinder. Yes, that 6 is renown.

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Re: Is a V8 petrol comparable to a V8 diesel for towin
Reply #19 - Oct 28th, 2020 at 8:01pm
 
Mix Master - It is probably a good comparison then.

Found some other figures

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...........   Because these lovely rigs are what I know most about, let’s look at a 100 series Landcruiser as an example:

Petrol 6 Cyl 4.5
            Around town: 20 l/100 km
            On highway 16 l/100 km
            Off-road: 22+ l/100 km
            Towing Something Big: 22+ l/100 km


Petrol 8 Cyl 4.7
            Around town 18 l/100 km
            On Highway 15 l/100 km
            Off-road 20+ l/100 km
            Towing Something Big 20+ l/100 km



Diesel non-turbo
            Around town 16 l/100 km
            On Highway 13 l/100 km
            Off-road 18+ l/100 km
            Towing Something Big: 18+ l/100 km


Diesel turbo
            Around town: 14 l/100 km
            On the highway: 10 l/100 km
            Off-road: 17+ l/100 km
            Towing Something Big: 17+ l/100 km          .........


https://4x4fever.com/landcruiser-100-series-fuel-consumption/

You sure don't want any of these for around town.
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Reply #20 - Oct 28th, 2020 at 8:46pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 7:33am:
Just a personal question.

Why do people aim for V8's especially in Urban areas.
Do they make the effort to give these V8's a run on the outback roads? Or do they do what the rev-heads do in Canberra and have quick 'drag races' between lights and cameras? Grin



Yes - V8 engines can carbon up if used only around town.
Unless you are towing you don't need one.
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Reply #21 - Oct 31st, 2020 at 9:08am
 
Thanks.
I'm more a better Driver than Mechanic although I've worked around many Mechanics. Driving Taxi while back and having to use the Jedi Mind Trick on Highway Cops who think they can make some money out of drivers they think are Indian, does bring an added dimension to driving.
Like dodging Chinese drivers in hire cars going up the wrong way of streets and roads.  Roll Eyes Tourists J-walking in front and behind you and American passengers who can't understand that in Australia 'The Worker is Right' - not the Customer. I don't need to 'grovel' for tips. In fact, I made more money trying to give passengers a 'tip' themselves - but they always argued to pay me a higher tip than I was offering them.  Huh Go figure!? Tongue

I can see now the value of a V8.
But it's really a waste of money for anything else.

Remember when petrol skyrocketed, they tried to offer Gas alternatives and packages until the Gas price was also jacked up to make no-one 'get ahead' with the conversion.
Heaps of big gas guzzling V8's and 4x4's were on the side of roads For Sale.

So V8's beyond 'towing' are really just a facet of the 'Self Indulgent' waste culture?
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Reply #22 - Nov 4th, 2020 at 8:36pm
 
Reasons to consider a petrol over a diesel for towing.

1/ Petrols are cheaper to buy.

2/ A Petrol uses more fuel when towing. Take into consideration how often you tow. If it is for limited times, a diesel loses it's advantage even more.
If you tow sensibly a petrol does not use that much more.

3/ Diesels are much more complex engines.
If you have to add that blue stuff, that is just another cost and complexity.

4/ Diesels cost a lot more to service. More often.

5/ A diesel repair can be horrendously expensive. Every part in a diesel is dearer.

6/ Diesel mechanics are dearer.

7/ Diesels are noisier and vibrate more.

8/ Diesel is smellier.

9/ Diesels can be hard to start in the cold

10/ Diesel emissions are carcanogenic and bad for the environment.
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Reply #23 - Nov 5th, 2020 at 8:05am
 
Diesels are better for towing generally sprint
That's just where diesel engines Excel

A good old-fashioned diesel engine provided you change the oil regularly
Will give you hundreds of thousands of kilometres of trouble free motoring

The problem is that to try to make them zippy
They add turbos which are a really bad idea
Then they add exhaust gas recycling systems which are a really bad idea
Then they add catalytic converters which are a really bad idea

the beauty of a diesel engine is it's very simple design

But to try to comply with pollution laws
They have made them smaller
They recycle exhaust gases and burn them twice
Which cakes the intake manifold
With something resembling burnt on carbon in a badly design oven
And then they put a catalytic converter in
Which has to be regularly burnt to stop clogging up
And all of this affects mass air flow sensors
And all the associated computer rubbish in modern engines

If you are going to buy a diesel engine
Try to buy one with a lot of cubes
And change that oil regularly

Get a smart mechanic to disconnect as much of the anti pollution gear as possible
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Then the engine will be good for 500000 km

I can't stress enough how important it is to change that oil and filter
Probably twice as often as the service interval says
Change that fuel filter so the injectors are always clean
Change that air filter so the air is always clean

And then you will have a car you can keep for 20 years
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Reply #24 - Nov 5th, 2020 at 9:53am
 
Diesels without turbos have 2/5 of bugger all power
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Reply #25 - Nov 5th, 2020 at 10:26am
 
They all put turbos on them nowadays

But with the anti pollution regulations
You are feeding dirty half burnt fuel back through the turbo and into the engine

So yes you get more power
But it is at the cost of longevity

And a set of diesel injectors might set you back 2 grand

Having the head decarbonated might set you back 2 grand

Replacing the catalytic converter might set you back 2 grand

Having the engine died at 250k
Rather than 500k

Means you are having the effective life of that engine

I'm more than happy to spend a little bit more on fuel
To save thousands on servicing costs
And tens of thousands on premature replacement

And if your mainly doing touring
The turbo only comes in to play
When you are tooling around in the city
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Reply #26 - Nov 5th, 2020 at 10:29am
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 5th, 2020 at 10:26am:
They all put turbos on them nowadays

But with the anti pollution regulations
You are feeding dirty half burnt fuel back through the turbo and into the engine

So yes you get more power
But it is at the cost of longevity

And a set of diesel injectors might set you back 2 grand

Having the head decarbonated might set you back 2 grand

Replacing the catalytic converter might set you back 2 grand

Having the engine died at 250k
Rather than 500k

Means you are having the effective life of that engine

I'm more than happy to spend a little bit more on fuel
To save thousands on servicing costs
And tens of thousands on premature replacement

And if your mainly doing touring
The turbo only comes in to play
When you are tooling around in the city




Exhaust gases through a turbo don't enter combustion.
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Reply #27 - Nov 5th, 2020 at 12:43pm
 
we now enter the world of the DPF

yet another source of catastrophe for the modern turbo deisel

A blocked DPF prevents exhaust gas passing through the exhaust system at the required rate. ... Increased exhaust gas temperature and back pressure can affect the turbocharger in a number of ways, including problems with efficiencies, oil leaks, carbonisation of oil within the turbo and exhaust gas leaks from the turbo.
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A blocked DPF prevents exhaust gas passing through the exhaust system at the required rate. ... Increased exhaust gas temperature and back pressure can affect the turbocharger in a number of ways, including problems with efficiencies, oil leaks, carbonisation of oil within the turbo and exhaust gas leaks from the turbo.



Indeed, if only there was an easy way to clean out your DPF.


Oh wait there is.
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A blocked DPF prevents exhaust gas passing through the exhaust system at the required rate. ... Increased exhaust gas temperature and back pressure can affect the turbocharger in a number of ways, including problems with efficiencies, oil leaks, carbonisation of oil within the turbo and exhaust gas leaks from the turbo.



Indeed, if only there was an easy way to clean out your DPF.


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