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Oct 25th, 2020 at 1:06pm
 
Why the IPCC & brethren, General Circulation Models / Global Climate Models are wrong.

Some point s to consider

1.  The models are running 197% over the measurements in nature.

2. The global relative humidity has been dropping the last 50 years, which according to the IPCC and brethren models should remain constant as more CO2 enters the atmopshere.

Its a good read for those interested.

https://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=710

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Reply #1 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 1:26pm
 
The Anthropocene Epoch is well underway. Mass extinction of animals species, 80% of all land plants diminished, pollution making plankton toxic, methane rising back into the atmosphere (once poisoned 95% of all life long ago), the effects of Nuclear War, pollution, radiation, a world globally with its head down a toilet.

Each race trying to genocide the other from the evolutionary tree which is like breaking off all the branches except one. Lack of genetic variation is a dead end.

The Anthropocene Epoch will be a very small Epoch compared to the rest. Possibly the smallest. Humanity has so far been a Cancerous cell to life on this planet.
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Reply #2 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 1:27pm
 
5680 year tree ring data study and temperature chart here

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379119306924

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Reply #3 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 1:33pm
 
What if this warming is indeed man made and the world has no contingency plan to balance it out down the track?
What if this warming just keeps increasing and accelerating towards a Venutian Microwave cooking?
Maybe having a full-on Nuke War that would turn our world into Mars - can actually have a beneficial 'counter-balancing' act to keep the world going Venutian?
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Seriously, this world isn't stuffed. Humanity it.  Wink
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Jasin wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 1:26pm:
The Anthropocene Epoch is well underway. Mass extinction of animals species, 80% of all land plants diminished, pollution making plankton toxic, methane rising back into the atmosphere (once poisoned 95% of all life long ago), the effects of Nuclear War, pollution, radiation, a world globally with its head down a toilet.

Each race trying to genocide the other from the evolutionary tree which is like breaking off all the branches except one. Lack of genetic variation is a dead end.

The Anthropocene Epoch will be a very small Epoch compared to the rest. Possibly the smallest. Humanity has so far been a Cancerous cell to life on this planet.


I agree we should be better stewards of the Earth, there is only one after all and apart from her sanctuary for life nothing else exists as far as we know.

If it was up to me the first thing I would do is get rid of the oligarchy not because they have more money than I do, but because by an large they are the cause of everything bad in humanity which spills over to looking after the Earth.

For example you want Nigeria's oil reserves, place a dictator in charge let him live like a king as long as he is our puppet and as for the rest of the people in that nation well tough luck, life wasn't meant to be easy.

In the mean time the oligarchy through purchase and control of the United Nations control nations who have no dictator and it all has to do with money.

Just the other day I saw a koala add to adopt one send $15 a month to one of these cuddly animals.

The sign in the back was the WWF that's right the United Nations WWF World Wide Fund for Nature, so without knowing it we are sending most of our donations to the United Nations in one form or another.

Now that's what I call grabbing them by the balls..... Huh Roll Eyes Smiley Wink Cheesy Kiss Cry
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Jasin wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 1:33pm:
What if this warming is indeed man made and the world has no contingency plan to balance it out down the track?
What if this warming just keeps increasing and accelerating towards a Venutian Microwave cooking?
Maybe having a full-on Nuke War that would turn our world into Mars - can actually have a beneficial 'counter-balancing' act to keep the world going Venutian?
Cheesy

Seriously, this world isn't stuffed. Humanity it.  Wink


If you care to investigate you wont get very deep before you will start to ask questions.

I too became an instant foot soldier for the environment after I saw An Inconvenient  Truth.

Very powerful the call of the environment.
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Reply #6 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 1:53pm
 
Just like to add the following, whatever I present on here and others who are sceptical about AGW is not our own work, its work done by scientists in the field of Climate Change.

These scientists do believe in Global Warming and Climate Change.

What they are sceptical about is the claim that only mans emissions of CO2 and other manmade greenhouse gases are the sole cause of the current warming we are experiencing.

Apart from that they generally agree with the scientists that work for the IPCC and their brethren.

These so called science sceptics have been so demonized that most people call them deniers agents of big oil etc etc.

You see the scientists that work for the IPCC basically said this is the science it is settled , so now sit down and shut up or we will call you guys heretics.

But of course you know science doesn't work that way.

There are people today still working on Newton and Einstein and if anything new is found we should be told I hope.

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Reply #7 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 2:12pm
 
Hey Jasin

If you can prove to me that CO2 controls the global average mean temperature of the Earth then I will believe in the AGW science.

And I'm not talking about the first 20ppm of CO2 which helps to regulate the Earths temperature from -15°C  to about +15°C

I'm talking about all this additional manmade CO2 through the burning of fossil fuels that we send into the atmosphere every year.

Show me evidence that because we are burning fossil fuels the CO2 emissions from this activity is increasing our temperature and I will believe, science cant be wrong can it, I believe in science.

http://joannenova.com.au/2010/02/4-carbon-dioxide-is-already-absorbing-almost-al...

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Reply #8 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 2:27pm
 
The steady rise of atmospheric CO2 ever year, even though mans emissions of CO2 double after the year 2000.

Atmospheric CO2 rise 2.1ppm/yr before and after the year 2000.

But after the year 2000 mans emission double...?!?!

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Reply #9 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 3:17pm
 
I agree. The planet's history has always had the tidal charts on warm and cooling, hot and icy.
But yes, now Man has though Science (for it has lost God) introduced an added amount of C02.
Man has upset the applecart and sadly, there is no going back. We knew this once 2020 revealed itself, there is no going back.
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Jasin wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 3:17pm:
I agree. The planet's history has always had the tidal charts on warm and cooling, hot and icy.
But yes, now Man has though Science (for it has lost God) introduced an added amount of C02.
Man has upset the applecart and sadly, there is no going back. We knew this once 2020 revealed itself, there is no going back.


Ok fair enough.

Here is a chart plotting CO2 and temperature for the last 11000 years, can you point out where they correlate...?

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Reply #11 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 3:40pm
 
"The basic physics underlying this global warming, the greenhouse gas effect, is simple. An increase in gases such as CO2 makes the atmosphere more opaque at infrared wavelengths. This added opacity causes the planet’s heat radiation to space to arise from higher, colder levels in the atmosphere, thus reducing emission of heat energy to space. "

Hansen et al.; 2011

https://arxiv.org/abs/1105.1140

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Nope. The opacity hasn't changed beyond norms.

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Nope no reduced heat energy to space.

"The partition of the outgoing long wave radiation into upward atmospheric emittance and surface transmitted radiation components is based on the accurate computation of the true greenhouse-gas optical thickness for the radiosonde data. New relationships among the flux components have been found and are used to construct a quasi-allsky model of the earth's atmospheric energy transfer process. In the 1948-2008 time period the global average annual mean true greenhouse-gas optical thickness is found to be time-stationary."

https://www.jstor.org/stable/43734929?seq=1

More heating should give higher Relative Humidity

"The resultant, more humid atmosphere, causes a hotspot over the tropics at altitudes of 10km to 12km). "

"Temperature trends from raw radiosonde data are also inconsistent with climate models, which project an upper tropospheric warming maximum, especially in the tropics"

(Santer et al. 2005; Trenberth et al. 2007; Santer et al. 2008)

"the vertical trend profiles in the tropics did not show the enhanced upper tropospheric amplification as predicted by climate models"

http://doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-11-00668.1
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Reply #12 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 3:52pm
 
Arrh yes the missing hot spot thanks Lee.

Was predicted around the equator about 10 to 12 kilometres up.

Well satellite data and radiosonde (weather balloon) data failed to detect this hot spot in the tropopause.

A key signature foot print of AGW missing in action....???

If it wasn't for the sceptical scientists who went to see and find this hot spot you would still believe there was one.

You are being lied to, wake up Australia.

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Reply #13 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 3:57pm
 
Has anyone looked into Oxygen levels though?
Everyone has been focused on the C02 for so long, what about our Air and is there a 'thinning' of our atmosphere - besides the Ozone?

The many Epochs of Saurian existence saw an atmosphere x3 times as thick with Oxygen as today. Such an atmosphere was of a stable hazy sky, a constant average of 30C at the equator, 10C at the poles (hence forests) - it was thick enough to support the immense weight of the Saurians as the 'swam' almost across the lands and in the skies. The extra Oxygen also made 'life' prolific and abundant... and 'big' in the form of the Saurians.
Volcanic activity was often - providing nutrient rich ash everwhere like the Sahara feeds the Amazon via the winds.

If our Air is thinning or the Oxygen levels are lowering.
Then we are in for bigger trouble than the planet warming.

A Victorian Brewer by accident discovered that the Algae waste produced a by-product via a 'Filter' that created a lot of pure Oxygen into the air.
Build these on a big scale and we may be able to 'fabricate' for lack of forests and kelp left alive.

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Jasin wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 3:57pm:
Has anyone looked into Oxygen levels though?
Everyone has been focused on the C02 for so long, what about our Air and is there a 'thinning' of our atmosphere - besides the Ozone?

The many Epochs of Saurian existence saw an atmosphere x3 times as thick with Oxygen as today. Such an atmosphere was of a stable hazy sky, a constant average of 30C at the equator, 10C at the poles (hence forests) - it was thick enough to support the immense weight of the Saurians as the 'swam' almost across the lands and in the skies. The extra Oxygen also made 'life' prolific and abundant... and 'big' in the form of the Saurians.
Volcanic activity was often - providing nutrient rich ash everwhere like the Sahara feeds the Amazon via the winds.

If our Air is thinning or the Oxygen levels are lowering.
Then we are in for bigger trouble than the planet warming.

A Victorian Brewer by accident discovered that the Algae waste produced a by-product via a 'Filter' that created a lot of pure Oxygen into the air.
Build these on a big scale and we may be able to 'fabricate' for lack of forests and kelp left alive.



On the sir David Attenborough doco about the planet he shows that 2/3's of the worlds forests have been cut down since he was born.

Now you could say 100 hundred years ago we had three lungs that absorbed CO2 from the atmosphere and exhaled Oxygen.

Today we have one lung (1/3) left, to suck out the CO2 (maybe that's why CO2 has risen..?) and give us back oxygen (O has declined).

Its called de-forestation.
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Reply #15 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 4:20pm
 
Yes. Deforestation is like watching Corona eat the lungs of an infected person.

Maybe a Black Man can save the World?
Like 'Vain' in the Stephen Donaldson 2nd Chronicles of Thomas Covenant - the 'Leper'. A series that described the Climatic Chaos that we are slowly experiencing now, back in the 70's.

No good hugging a tree and crying.
Gotta sell that feral-hippie dreadlocked pussy to the Rich guys to win them over to your side to 'fund' an Environmental and Climatic Plan against the unwilling Military, Political & Religious Clans just to name a few.
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Jasin wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 4:20pm:
Yes. Deforestation is like watching Corona eat the lungs of an infected person.

Maybe a Black Man can save the World?
Like 'Vain' in the Stephen Donaldson 2nd Chronicles of Thomas Covenant - the 'Leper'. A series that described the Climatic Chaos that we are slowly experiencing now, back in the 70's.

No good hugging a tree and crying.
Gotta sell that feral-hippie dreadlocked pussy to the Rich guys to win them over to your side to 'fund' an Environmental and Climatic Plan against the unwilling Military, Political & Religious Clans just to name a few.


Back in the 1970's these very same clowns were predicting an ice age and cooling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

Maybe this is because temperatures dropped from the 1940's to the 1970's.

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That is what this environmental movement is all about.

Nothing to do with saving the planet they want to crush capitalism.


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Reply #17 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 4:31pm
 
No. Stephen Donaldson described a world of Erratic & Extreme weather patterns. Burning not like mid summer one day, icy-cold and frozen the next.
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Jasin wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 4:31pm:
No. Stephen Donaldson described a world of Erratic & Extreme weather patterns. Burning not like mid summer one day, icy-cold and frozen the next.


What does Stephen Donaldson have to do with the science of climate change....???
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Ajax wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 4:35pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 4:31pm:
No. Stephen Donaldson described a world of Erratic & Extreme weather patterns. Burning not like mid summer one day, icy-cold and frozen the next.


What does Stephen Donaldson have to do with the science of climate change....???


Never dismiss those Writers who project a future consequence of our actions through Story. They at least had the foresight.
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In 1990  the IPCC AR1 paper showed the lamb graph which clearly shows a Medieval Warm Period (MWP) & a little Ice Age (LIA).

In 2001 they took out the lamb graph and replaced it with Mann's famous hockey stick.

Mann was challenged many times by sceptic climate scientists to provide his working out of how he came about the hockey stick, some went on to work it out for themselves and then published the results which showed Manns hockey stick was fraudulent.

Another scientists Tim Ball called him (Mann) out on this, Mann got furious and sued Tim Ball.

They went to court after 8 years because Mann kept delaying it.

In court Mann would not show his working out and how he came to the conclusion of the hockey stick, a classic case of the science is settled sit down and shut up.

Well the court got fed up with him and awarded Tim Ball the win, Mann had to pay costs.

Why wouldn't Mann show his working out, if it is true (the hockey stick) and he can prove it why didn't he show the working out.

But wait there's more.

In the IPCC AR5 paper Manns Hockey stick got thrown under a bus and the IPCC have now returned to something like the lamb graph that has a bump and a dip that represent the MWP and LIA.

Now I ask you what sort of peer review have the IPCC got going over there, they publish rubbish until proven false, where are their own checks...???

I bet no one at the IPCC checked the hockey stick there was no peer review until Tim Ball called it out along with many other climate scientist that are sceptical about the AGW religion, oops I mean science...... Embarrassed Wink Smiley

And we are making plans to spend billions of tax payers monies on the stock market buying carbon derivatives because the IPCC says so.

F@rk me is it really that easy to make billions of dollars from billions of suckers.

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Reply #21 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 5:21pm
 
Bloody freezing today. I believe in AGW but seems the effects aren't as dramatic as they said it would be.
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I don't blame Climate Change for the death of the Mega-Fauna and Marsupials in Australia. I still put that down to the Tasmanian and Murrayan waves of Aboriginals perfecting their BBQ Fire Farming skills before the Carpentarians came in to burn them south.

The Orca know the answer.  Wink Cheesy
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Reply #23 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 6:08pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 5:50pm:
I don't blame Climate Change for the death of the Mega-Fauna and Marsupials in Australia. I still put that down to the Tasmanian and Murrayan waves of Aboriginals perfecting their BBQ Fire Farming skills before the Carpentarians came in to burn them south.

The Orca know the answer.  Wink Cheesy


Yup. The Abbbos ate them.
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Gordon wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 5:21pm:
Bloody freezing today. I believe in AGW but seems the effects aren't as dramatic as they said it would be.


Everyone is allowed to believe in what ever they want to, BUT what if it was a lie.....?

1. CO2 is a greenhouse gas.................................TRUE

2. CO2 contributes to the greenhouse effect..........TRUE

3. CO2 is invisible to the human eye....................TRUE

So much for those chimney stacks spewing out black and white clouds, that is not CO2...!

4. CO2 is plant food...........................................TRUE

5. CO2 is a pollutant..........................................FALSE

Our soft drinks and beer those bubbles are CO2 are we drinking pollution...?.
We inhale and exhale CO2 are we breathing pollution..?

6. CO2 controls temperature on Earth.................FALSE

7. CO2 can cause a runaway greenhouse effect....FALSE

8. CO2, natural or manmade is solely responsible for the current warming we are experiencing...FALSE

9. CO2 due to the burning of fossil fuels has created this current warm period..........FALSE


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Reply #25 - Oct 26th, 2020 at 4:25pm
 
I dusted and she still works.............................. Wink Smiley Cool

Is there any correlation between CO2 and temperature?

(1).....On a small time scale
(NO)
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(11,000 years)


Showing from 200 to 11000 years ago, the subsequent graph is based on ice core data, readily visible in files hosted on the servers of the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA):GISP 2 and EPICA Dome C

Graph-1

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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/11/does-co2-correlate-with-temperature-histor...

(2).....On a medium time scale YES???, (450,000 years)


(NO)
, It appears so because of the scale we are zoomed out at.


WARNING !
This is the scale that most global warming sites use to scare the unsuspecting.


Over the past few hundred thousand years of ice core data, a “medium” time scale in this sense, CO2 superficially appears to change in step with temperature if a graph is so zoomed out as to not show sub-millennial time
scales well

Graph-2

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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/11/does-co2-correlate-with-temperature-histor...

A record of temperature and atmospheric CO2 over the past 400,000 years is preserved in the Vostok Ice Core and is shown in the figure on the right.

It can be seen that there have been a series of large fluctuations in temperature (the Ice Ages), accompanied by large changes in atmospheric CO2.

It is thought that these large temperature fluctuations are triggered by Milankovitch cycles - variations in the earth's orbit that change the amount of energy from the sun that reaches us.

However, on their own, these cycles are not enough to explain the changes in temperature.

The full explanation seems to be that the small change in temperature caused by the changing orbit are amplified by natural processes on earth. These cause CO2 to be released from the oceans and the biosphere, causing an increased greenhouse effect.

This is described more fully in this article from the New Scientist (see also Shackleton 2000). For more details on the timing of changes in CO2 and temperature, click on the figure.

http://www.brighton73.freeserve.co.uk/gw/paleo/paleoclimate.htm#100,000years

(3).....On a long time scale
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It may come as shock to you to learn the truth that MOST scientists disagree with the claim that the current warm period we have experienced is all due to man burning fossil fuels and sending up extra manmade CO2 in to our atmosphere.

Because climate science has become politicized for whatever reason and the few scientists who push this dooms day agenda have demonized the MAJORITY of scientists who disagree with this theory.

When a climate scientists stands up and speaks the truth about climate change and how CO2 is not the devil the warmists have painted, he or she is victimized with discrimination and threats even to the point of losing their jobs or worse, now is this how science works I ask you…?

Big banks, Agencies, corporations and research institutes and even big oil are all towing this theory of manmade climate change making it seem more credible to the general public.

What most don’t know is if a scientists within these organisations disagrees with the Anthropogenic Global Warming theory unless he or she doesn’t mind being sacked they will usual keep their opinions to themselves, this is the type of environment this politicized science has created, where scientists are scared to speak the truth.

The pope of Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) . 

The IPCC sets government policies on how to combat AGW this is usually a carbon tax or an emissions trading scheme or anywhere between the two.

A large number of climate scientists who disagree with the IPCC on AGW have now formed the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC), so instead of being heard as individuals and victimized they are now heard as a large group.

Below are the views of many climate scientists who disagree with the narrative of AGW we have been presented through mainstream media and everything else that’s owned by the oligarchy.

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Here is a perfect example, anyone who has done their research on the 97% consensus will straight away know that the statement highlighted below is false.

And yet it appears on NASA website.

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Lets face it. Science has ruined this world and turned it into a blocked toilet where the trout water spills over now.

Now Science wants to be paid to 'air-condition' the World and make it dependent on Science (for a fee$ Wink)

...rather than nations like PNG who keep their trees and keep our world 'naturally' air-conditioned.

Science may have emerged to make itself 'superior' to all things Religion or Spiritual - but it has lead us to a dead end of Global destruction.

Now it tries to profit off its own destructive ways.

Science:
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Jasin wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 9:37am:
Lets face it. Science has ruined this world and turned it into a blocked toilet where the trout water spills over now.

Now Science wants to be paid to 'air-condition' the World and make it dependent on Science (for a fee$ Wink)

...rather than nations like PNG who keep their trees and keep our world 'naturally' air-conditioned.

Science may have emerged to make itself 'superior' to all things Religion or Spiritual - but it has lead us to a dead end of Global destruction.

Now it tries to profit off its own destructive ways.

Science:
I'm the Poison

I'm the Remedy


The bottom line is these days the oligarchy control everything and everyone.

That includes science, unfortunately for us..... Cry
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Sad state of the world if it has to pay Science to fix a world that it ruined.
It's like that mechanic who cuts a few lines under your bonnet while you're not looking, to get some added $$$.  Wink
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Jasin wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 9:46am:
Sad state of the world if it has to pay Science to fix a world that it ruined.
It's like that mechanic who cuts a few lines under your bonnet while you're not looking, to get some added $$$.  Wink


I don’t agree with your view on this, the fact is science has been hijacked by the elite and the ransom is money out of thin air something the oligarchy are good at, billions of dollars payed by all nations for the free air above their country on the stock exchange.

The oligarchy want CO2 as a commodity on wall street and H2O and anything else that they can put their dirty little fingers on.

Globalization and free trade have been ushered in under the radar.

Tonight when you go to your local watering hole ask the person beside you what neo-liberalism is, more likely that not you will get some vague answer.

This is like going into a bar in China or the old USSR and asking a person what is communism and they don’t really know.

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It's evident in the words they speak in their speeches

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“International carbon markets will cover billions of consumers this decade. Ask the bankers at your table whether they want Australia to clip that ticket. We’re going to help them get their share." Julia Gillard


http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/speech-business-council-australia-dinner


The father of AGW had these words to say.............

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“It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle-class … involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, ownership of motor vehicles, small electric appliances, home and work place air- conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable .…  A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging consumption patterns.”


Maurice Strong who spearheaded the 1991 Rio Earth Summit wrote in the U.N.’s Conference on Environmental Development (UNCED) report

"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsiblity to bring that about?"

- Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme

"If we don't change, our species will not survive... Frankly, we may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse."

-Maurice Strong quoted in the September 1, 1997 edition of National Review magazine



Ottmar Edenhofer - is Director and Chief Economist of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research as well as Director of the Mercator Research Institute on Global Commons and Climate Change and Professor of the Economics of Climate Change at the Technische Universität Berlin.

Quote:
"First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy.

Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy.

This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."



Christina Figueres - Executive Secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change

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""This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution," she said in anticipation of last year's Paris climate summit."

"This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history."


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Emission trading schemes and carbon taxes aren't the only way for the oligarchy to make money.

Renewable Energy rent seekers have grown fat of subsidies for green power / clean energy.

https://stopthesethings.com/2019/02/24/australias-renewable-energy-debacle-gover...

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An example of what happens when a professor goes against the narrative of AGW.

Winning! Australian Govt writes laws to protect people like Peter Ridd at universities

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http://joannenova.com.au/

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Great News: In an era of absurd censorship, it’s good to get a win. Thanks to all those who wrote letters and emails, and obviously, thanks to the IPA, the government is insisting that Professors be allowed to decide what professors say, rather than Vice Chancellors. Soon, if fraud should occur at James Cook Uni, people will be able to suggest it gets investigated without getting fired for being “uncollegial.”

As Education Minister Dan Tehan told Sky News this morning:

“[James Cook University] wouldn’t have been able to prosecute Peter Ridd if these laws had of been in place.”

“By defining academic freedom in legislation, Education Minister Dan Tehan is ensuring the dismissal of an academic like Peter Ridd can never happen again,” said Mr Rozner.

– Institute of Public Affairs (IPA)

To recap Peter Ridds crimes: he said “for your amusement” in an email once. (Illegal satire). He said “ We can no longer rely on our science institutions.” He talked about the replication crisis in science, which was borne out in research, and he spotted duplicated photos that appear to be fraudulent by a JCU researcher who was separately was found guilty of fabricating data in Sweden. JCU have spent something like $2 million fighting for their right to sack Ridd. Not surprisingly in the current environment, JCU staff are frightened to use their emails.
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cont'd

Peter Ridd’s Fight For Freedom Of Speech On Climate Change


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The Heretic: Inside Peter Ridd’s fight for freedom of speech on climate change is an insiders’ account of Peter Ridd’s ongoing legal battle with James Cook University. It tells the story of why Peter spoke out on the bad science surrounding climate change and the Great Barrier Reef, the extraordinary lengths that James Cook University went to silence him, and how Peter fought back in court.
The Heretic podcast is now available. To listen click here.


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Just that alone should make any reasonable person suspicious about the science of Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW).

Science from scientist, are generally free to express their opinion, except in the case of AGW.

If he is wrong the other scientist would just prove it to him and be done with it.

There is no need to sack the person, because that's how science works.

Like I keep saying there are people today who are looking to further Newton and Einstein if they discover an error in these great scientists work it will be revelation and not a condemnation resulting in abuse or sacking.

Once your theory is out there its out there for all to asses and scrutinize for ever.

No one can ever say about any field of science that

The science is settled.

That is not how science works.
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The Royal Commission into National Natural Disaster Arrangements Report listened to academics and modellers rather than experienced land managers and practitioners.


Response to the Australian Bushfire Commission

The Royal Commission into National Natural Disaster Arrangements Report


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The response from experienced land managers and practitioners


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Jasin wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 9:46am:
Sad state of the world if it has to pay Science to fix a world that it ruined.
It's like that mechanic who cuts a few lines under your bonnet while you're not looking, to get some added $$$.  Wink



It's overpopulation that has caused the problem.

The world needs to aggressively try to reduce the population
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Bobby. wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 12:08pm:
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It's overpopulation that has caused the problem.

The world needs to aggressively try to reduce the population
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Women not in the first world need to be educated to a much higher level.

It has been proven very effective that once women are well educated they have less children.
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Ajax wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 12:13pm:
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It's overpopulation that has caused the problem.

The world needs to aggressively try to reduce the population
by forcing birth control on everyone.


Women not in the first world need to be educated to a much higher level.

It has been proven very effective that once women are well educated they have less children.



That's true but something more aggressive needs to be done.
What should that be? -
a limit of 1 child per couple?
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Bobby. wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 12:31pm:
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It's overpopulation that has caused the problem.

The world needs to aggressively try to reduce the population
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Women not in the first world need to be educated to a much higher level.

It has been proven very effective that once women are well educated they have less children.



That's true but something more aggressive needs to be done.
What should that be? -
a limit of 1 child per couple?


Yeah for India and China maybe....!?

We need as many people as we can get, so better home grown wouldn't you say.......?!

Or should we import a few more Sudanese....!


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Some excerpts from a couple of the submissions to the NSW Commission-

The Valley Farmers Group of Lower Bago believe the 2019‐20 fire season was a hot dry

   " summer,  made into the worst fire season this district has ever seen, by pine plantations, and negligent land managent by plantation managers and national parks and wildlife service.”

“The Dunns road fire started in private pine plantation and ran through pine plantation, private land and national  park, burning more than 330,000 hectares, including around 74,000 hectares of pine plantation, and it was almost always only able to be slowed or stopped on private land."

"Most public roads in this shire have a lot of trees and native vegetation along the sides, which is great if one thinks that every available meter of land must be a nature reserve, but when these areas are unmanaged jungles with trees hanging over the road, they become the reason fire trucks and emergency vehicles cant access areas which desperately need help."

"There were 17 fire tankers which could have helped in this valley on new years eve, but which couldnt, because of burnt trees across the road."

"These people (npws) have used green ideology as a basis for land management for thirty years, and the 2019‐20 fire season has demonstrated the folly and criminal negligence of this approach. Virtually all the fires on the east side of nsw started on npws land, which was utterly destroyed, and burnt thousands of neighbors out, for which it seems there are no consequences, and if npws are allowed to continue their madness, no lessons will be learned, nor constructive changes made."

"The release of the Keelty report into irrigation water indicates the river flows in the murray‐darling system have halved over the last 20 years. We assume the alleged experts in the media and government will attempt to blame climate change, the Prime Minister and probably Donald Trump, but an objective look will certainly reveal that pine plantations have played their part in depriving river systems of water."

https://www.dpc.nsw.gov.au/assets/bushfire-inquiry-submissions/0881-Valley-Farme...

Pine plantations are really water hungry.

"    Three months on since the last of the fires ceased, there has been no tangible progress in quantifying the impacts and the long-term effect on timber resources. The efforts of the Forestry Corporation of NSW have been directed to addressing the heavy demands of the NSW Environmental Protection Authority (EPA). This is political pressure at its worst. The EPA have prevented most harvesting in unburnt forest and are making harvesting in burnt forest economically unviable due to extreme regulation. The “stand-off” is resulting in the slow death financially of the native forest industry.

    Repetitively throughout the fire front from September 2019 to February 2020 the same story was being told – arguments between agencies as a fire front approached on who would be in control of the fire; as fire raced towards houses and farming/plantation land – arguments between agencies on who controlled the fire and how long it would take to gain a permit to put in a firebreak – two days for a permit as the fire raced down and burnt two houses – agencies were still arguing about control and threatening anyone who took immediate and decisive action to prevent the fire from gaining ground.

    The real stories were never told by the media or by government as it might tarnish the image of the agencies as heroes."

https://www.dpc.nsw.gov.au/assets/bushfire-inquiry-submissions/0865-Timber-NSW-2...

To the Australian Commission -

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Figure 5: Climate projections for Australia

Note the use of ACORN2. Wink

Pre 1998 El Nino -

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Post 1998 El Nino -

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Ajax wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 12:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 12:31pm:
Ajax wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 12:13pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 12:08pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 9:46am:
Sad state of the world if it has to pay Science to fix a world that it ruined.
It's like that mechanic who cuts a few lines under your bonnet while you're not looking, to get some added $$$.  Wink



It's overpopulation that has caused the problem.

The world needs to aggressively try to reduce the population
by forcing birth control on everyone.


Women not in the first world need to be educated to a much higher level.

It has been proven very effective that once women are well educated they have less children.



That's true but something more aggressive needs to be done.
What should that be? -
a limit of 1 child per couple?


Yeah for India and China maybe....!?

We need as many people as we can get, so better home grown wouldn't you say.......?!

Or should we import a few more Sudanese....!




Don't forget you Whities in your rich Over-Indulgent 'fatty' societies create 80% of all Pollution and Waste products.
You too have to be 'disciplined and educated'.  Wink
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lee wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 3:46pm:
Some excerpts from a couple of the submissions to the NSW Commission-

The Valley Farmers Group of Lower Bago believe the 2019‐20 fire season was a hot dry

   " summer,  made into the worst fire season this district has ever seen, by pine plantations, and negligent land managent by plantation managers and national parks and wildlife service.”

“The Dunns road fire started in private pine plantation and ran through pine plantation, private land and national  park, burning more than 330,000 hectares, including around 74,000 hectares of pine plantation, and it was almost always only able to be slowed or stopped on private land."

"Most public roads in this shire have a lot of trees and native vegetation along the sides, which is great if one thinks that every available meter of land must be a nature reserve, but when these areas are unmanaged jungles with trees hanging over the road, they become the reason fire trucks and emergency vehicles cant access areas which desperately need help."

"There were 17 fire tankers which could have helped in this valley on new years eve, but which couldnt, because of burnt trees across the road."

"These people (npws) have used green ideology as a basis for land management for thirty years, and the 2019‐20 fire season has demonstrated the folly and criminal negligence of this approach. Virtually all the fires on the east side of nsw started on npws land, which was utterly destroyed, and burnt thousands of neighbors out, for which it seems there are no consequences, and if npws are allowed to continue their madness, no lessons will be learned, nor constructive changes made."

"The release of the Keelty report into irrigation water indicates the river flows in the murray‐darling system have halved over the last 20 years. We assume the alleged experts in the media and government will attempt to blame climate change, the Prime Minister and probably Donald Trump, but an objective look will certainly reveal that pine plantations have played their part in depriving river systems of water."

https://www.dpc.nsw.gov.au/assets/bushfire-inquiry-submissions/0881-Valley-Farme...

Pine plantations are really water hungry.

"    Three months on since the last of the fires ceased, there has been no tangible progress in quantifying the impacts and the long-term effect on timber resources. The efforts of the Forestry Corporation of NSW have been directed to addressing the heavy demands of the NSW Environmental Protection Authority (EPA). This is political pressure at its worst. The EPA have prevented most harvesting in unburnt forest and are making harvesting in burnt forest economically unviable due to extreme regulation. The “stand-off” is resulting in the slow death financially of the native forest industry.

    Repetitively throughout the fire front from September 2019 to February 2020 the same story was being told – arguments between agencies as a fire front approached on who would be in control of the fire; as fire raced towards houses and farming/plantation land – arguments between agencies on who controlled the fire and how long it would take to gain a permit to put in a firebreak – two days for a permit as the fire raced down and burnt two houses – agencies were still arguing about control and threatening anyone who took immediate and decisive action to prevent the fire from gaining ground.

    The real stories were never told by the media or by government as it might tarnish the image of the agencies as heroes."

https://www.dpc.nsw.gov.au/assets/bushfire-inquiry-submissions/0865-Timber-NSW-2...

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Figure 5: Climate projections for Australia

Note the use of ACORN2. Wink

Pre 1998 El Nino -

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Post 1998 El Nino -

https://i.postimg.cc/gkP0QLgq/UAH-Australia.png


These agencies that threaten people with permits while the fire rages should be hung out to dry by the balls.

These environmental agencies are all under the banner of the United Nations, they the United Nations are telling us what to do with our land.

I think that's criminal.

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UNITED NATIONS controls how we manage our own land.


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The Commonwealth of Australia is a federation of six self-governing States and two self-governing mainland Territories.

The Federal Government's powers and responsibilities are defined in the Australian Constitution and the State and Territory Governments are responsible for all other matters. State and Territory Governments also have established systems of Local Government and there is approximately 750 local Councils throughout Australia.

Environmental powers are not specifically dealt with in the Australian Constitution and are not the sole province of any one sphere of government.

There is a recognition that environment and sustainable development issues need to be addressed on a local, regional, national and international scale.

This is reflected in the development of national strategies and agreements which provide the main domestic basis for the implementation of UNCED outcomes.

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Ajax wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 12:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 12:31pm:
Ajax wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 12:13pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 12:08pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 9:46am:
Sad state of the world if it has to pay Science to fix a world that it ruined.
It's like that mechanic who cuts a few lines under your bonnet while you're not looking, to get some added $$$.  Wink



It's overpopulation that has caused the problem.

The world needs to aggressively try to reduce the population
by forcing birth control on everyone.


Women not in the first world need to be educated to a much higher level.

It has been proven very effective that once women are well educated they have less children.



That's true but something more aggressive needs to be done.
What should that be? -
a limit of 1 child per couple?


Yeah for India and China maybe....!?

We need as many people as we can get, so better home grown wouldn't you say.......?!

Or should we import a few more Sudanese....!




China already does but
India and Africa are way out of control -
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Don't forget you Whities in your rich Over-Indulgent 'fatty' societies create 80% of all Pollution and Waste products.
You too have to be 'disciplined and educated'.  Wink



Yes - the West has too many fatty boombahs wasting resources.
Obesity is a terrible problem.
We eat 3 times too much food.
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Yes - the West has too many fatty boombahs wasting resources.
Obesity is a terrible problem.
We eat 3 times too much food.


Throw in the fact that the 1st world rich nations have become a 'Throw-Away Society' where nothing gets fixed if it cops a dent, but is replaced and the old becomes rubbish.... more rubbish
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a. Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the,

b. Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia show the following trends

1878 to 1911…………….cooling

1912 to 1941…………….warming

1942 to 1964…………….cooling

1965 to 1998……………..warming

1999 to 2011………………cooling

Warming rate from 1908 to 1938………0.13°C per decade

Warming rate from 1983 to 2013………0.17°C per decade

Satellite data shows 2002 to mid 2015………..cooling

Warming pause ends late 2015 with El Nino event starting late 2015

The UAH analysis of satellite data gives a warming trend from 1979 to 2020 of 0.14°C per decade

The IPCC global circulations models (computer models) predicted a warming trend of 0.27°C per decade
 
That’s just under twice the warming we have experienced in the real world by observations of nature the last 40 years.


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Satellite data from 1979 to 2016 suggest a warming by the year 2100 of 1.07°C.

So we don't have to spend billions of dollars of tax payers money on the stock exchange and giving 10% of this money over to the United Nations to try and keep the temperature to under a 2°C warming by end of 2100.

This will happen all by itself.

This warming is not out of the natural range of warming that is to be expected, coming out of the little ice age.

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The global circulation models were wrong.

It's that simple.



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How can you put your faith in the United Nations IPCC when they do things like this.

After this IPCC document "The science of climate change 1995" was signed by the reviewing scientists and then when the scientists were gone.

The IPCC removed the following statements from within that report without telling the scientists that these statements had been omitted.

Quote:
-- "None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed
[climate] changes to the specific cause of increases in greenhouse gases."

-- "No study to date has positively attributed all or part [of the climate change observed to date] to
anthropogenic[m an-made]causes."

-- "Any claims of positive detection of significant climate change are likely to remain controversial until
uncertainties in the total natural variability of the climate system are reduced."


THE WALL STREET JOURNAL.
A major deception on 'global warming


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How the scientists that are pushing the Anthropogenic Global Warming science think,

Climate gate emails.

https://www.lavoisier.com.au/articles/greenhouse-science/climate-change/climateg...

EXAMPLE

An email from Michael Mann to Tim Osborne


Quote:

Tim,

Attached are the calculations requested …

p.s. I know I probably don’t need to mention this, but just to ensure absolutely clarity on this, I’m providing these for your own personal use, since you’re a trusted colleague. So please don’t pass this along to others without checking with me first. This is the sort of “dirty laundry” one doesn’t want to fall into the hands of those who might potentially try to distort things…


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Ajax have a look at the website giving the history of AGW science that I linked in my board.



was it Union of Concerned Scientists? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Ajax have a look at the website giving the history of AGW science that I linked in my board.


JV the IPCC scientific credentials were shot down a long time ago the only thing that still props it up is the politics through the oligarchy and their organisations, anyway I have already visited and made comments previously.
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Scientific papers that say Medieval warm period warmer than today.

Dahl_Jensen et al 1998
Wagner & Melles 2001
Kaplan et al 2002
Jiang et al 2002
Moore et al 2001
Grudd et al 2002
Seppa & Birks 2002
Dansgaard et al 1975
Korhola et al 2000
Naurzbaev et al 2002
Vaganov et el 1996
Briffa et al 1998
Scweingruber & Briffa 1996
Knudsen et al 2004
Grinsted et al 2006
Besonen et al 2008
Wagner et al 2008
Vare et al 2009
Norgaard-Pedersen & Mikkelsen 2009
Andresen et al 2004
Vinther et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2008
Stuiver et al 1995
Dansgaard et al 1975
Jenings & Weiner 1996
Johnsen et al 2001
Vinther et al 2010
Larsen et al 2011
Hill et al 2001
Joynt & Wolfe 2001
Hantemirov & Shiyatov 2002
Andersson et al 2003
Helama et al 2005
Mazepa 2005
Weckstrom et al 2006
Jiang et al 2007
Zabenski & Gajewski 2007
Grudd 2008
Justwan et al 2008
Scire et al 2008
Axford et al 2009
Bjune et al 2009
Cook et al 2009
Fortin & Gajewski 2010
Buntgen et al 2011
Divine et al 2011
Ran et al 2011
Velle et al 2011
D’Andrea et al 2012
Esper et al 2012
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Those two graphs are junk.

All those papers—you did not compile the list, did you Ajax? I bet it came from NoTricksZone. Try reading the extracts, bet they won’t say what you think.

Look at the graph here: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1601457181/0#0
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Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2020 at 9:50am:
Those two graphs are junk.

All those papers—you did not compile the list, did you Ajax? I bet it came from NoTricksZone. Try reading the extracts, bet they won’t say what you think.

Look at the graph here: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1601457181/0#0


I understand why you so vehemently deny the MWP & LIA every existed.

Because that would throw your theory out the window.

Unfortunately for you JV the IPCC lost their scientific credibility a long time ago starting from when they replaced the Lamb graph with the Hockey stick.

Before Anthropogenic Global Warming became the biggest hoax in human history there were and are still are countless scientific papers that show the MWP & LIA existed and were global.

Even the IPCC used this data as shown below in their first paper.

Until Mann's hockey stick appeared only to be thrown under the bus about 10 years later. BTW the IPCC have now returned to something that has a pump and a dip representing the MWP & LIA.

Michael Mann sued Tim Ball because Tim Ball said the hockey stick was fraudulent, they went to court and under no circumstances would Michael Mann show his math at how he arrived at the hockey stick.

So the court awarded the case to Tim Ball and costs.

Now why didn't Mann just show his calculations and be done with it, is it because they were dirty laundry....?

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EXAMPLE from climate gate emails

An email from Michael Mann to Tim Osborne


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Attached are the calculations requested …

p.s. I know I probably don’t need to mention this, but just to ensure absolutely clarity on this, I’m providing these for your own personal use, since you’re a trusted colleague. So please don’t pass this along to others without checking with me first. This is the sort of “dirty laundry” one doesn’t want to fall into the hands of those who might potentially try to distort things…


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Mann’s hockey stick has been replicated by dozens of other paleoclimate studies. So it has been validated many times over.

The temperature difference between the MWP and LIA on those hand drawn charts is far too big. It was a very few tenths of a degree Celsius difference.

Many hockey sticks:

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Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2020 at 10:23am:
Mann’s hockey stick has been replicated by dozens of other paleoclimate studies. So it has been validated many times over.

The temperature difference between the MWP and LIA on those hand drawn charts is far too big. It was a very few tenths of a degree Celsius difference.


JV you're clutching at straws now mate, seriously...?!
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No Ajax that would be you.

The MWP and the LIA were not concurrently global—neither period was warm or cool over the whole globe and the LIA was mainly a North Atlantic phenomenon.
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No Ajax that would be you.

The MWP and the LIA were not concurrently global—neither period was warm or cool over the whole globe and the LIA was mainly a North Atlantic phenomenon.


Then why was it thrown under the bus by the IPCC who no longer use it.

There are many papers/studies that say otherwise.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/medieval-warm-...

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No Ajax that would be you.

The MWP and the LIA were not concurrently global—neither period was warm or cool over the whole globe and the LIA was mainly a North Atlantic phenomenon.



But the Thames river froze over.
Will it happen again?
If the Atlantic conveyor- the Gulf Stream stops
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Where is England? North Atlantic, not?
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We are warmer now than at any time in the last 8000 years.
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JoNova is a propagandist not a scientist.

We are warmer now than at any time in the last 8000 years.


Jonova is a presenter of information.

She doesn't control,

752 individual scientists from

442 separate research institutes from

41 countries around the globe...... Grin Grin Grin Smiley Wink Kiss

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JoNova LIES!


Oh please you know you haven't got a leg to stand on so now you're on the attack, kill the messenger.

No she doesn't lie, she presents the facts and I'm a fan... Cool

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Everyone presents more facts than Monk.
Even Brian.  Cheesy (just kiddin Bri-Bro  Wink)
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I honestly believe this is our future, unless we the people do something about it.

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Progressives plan a ‘great reset’ throughout the world with the UN in charge

Progressives hope to use climate change to justify liberal /leftist policy changes. The latest is a new proposal called the “Great Reset.” It’s ambitious and it’s radical, according to Justin Haskins of Heartland Institute writing at The Hill.

At a virtual meeting earlier in June hosted by the World Economic Forum, some of the planet’s most powerful business leaders, government officials, and activists announced a proposal to “reset” the global economy.

Instead of traditional capitalism, the high-profile group said the world should adopt more socialistic policies, such as wealth taxes, additional regulations, and massive Green New Deal-like government programs.

They call it progressive capitalism. It puts the UN in charge of the world economy and weaponizes it. They get to regulate, tax, and track.

The UN becomes the government auditor of businesses with everything geared to climate and social justice. It will reduce agriculture and fishing. People will be moved into city environments where control is easier. Resources from the suburbs will be shifted to cities. It is why farmland is being gobbled up by corporations.

Companies that get involved now will be among the elite.

EVERY COUNTRY MUST PARTICIPATE
“Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed,” wrote Klaus Schwab, the founder and executive chairman of the World Economic Forum, in an article published on WEF’s website. “In short, we need a ‘Great Reset’ of capitalism.”

Schwab also said that “all aspects of our societies and economies” must be “revamped,” “from education to social contracts and working conditions.”

Joining Schwab at the WEF event was Prince Charles, one of the primary proponents of the Great Reset; Gina Gopinath, the chief economist at the International Monetary Fund; António Guterres, the secretary-general of the United Nations; and CEOs and presidents of major international corporations, such as Microsoft and BP.

Activists from groups such as Greenpeace International and a variety of academics also attended the event or have expressed their support for the Great Reset.

Many of the Forum’s members want to use this as a no opportunity for World Economic Forum members to enact their radical transformation of capitalism.

Somehow, in some inexplicable way, this is supposed to help the world deal with pandemics.

After the pandemic is over, they plan to blow up the climate change ‘crisis’ as the next calamity to be dealt with.

There are radical leftist global shapers [the new Bolsheviks] around the world who are preparing the world for the change. The Global Shapers program was involved in the widespread “climate strikes” of 2019, and more than 1,300 have already been trained by the Climate Reality Project, the highly influential, well-funded climate activist organization run by former Vice President Al Gore, who serves on the World Economic Forum’s Board of Trustees.

We have heard our Democrats and world leaders promise massive changes using the pandemic as an excuse. Now you know what they have in mind. It is in line with Agenda 2030.

Look at what our ‘leaders’ have been able to make us do so far over a virus?

We will all be China.

https://www.independentsentinel.com/progressives-plan-a-great-reset-throughout-t...


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Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2020 at 10:23am:
Many hockey sticks:



Yep. Marcott et al. But he was honest.

...

" Our global paleotemperature reconstruction includes a so-called “uptick” in temperatures during the 20th-century. However, in the paper we make the point that this particular feature is of shorter duration than the inherent smoothing in our statistical averaging procedure, and that it is based on only a few available paleo-reconstructions of the type we used. Thus, the 20th century portion of our paleotemperature stack is not statistically robust, cannot be considered representative of global temperature changes, and therefore is not the basis of any of our conclusions."

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/03/response-by-marcott-et-al/

"Q: Is the rate of global temperature rise over the last 100 years faster than at any time during the past 11,300 years?"

"A: Our study did not directly address this question because the paleotemperature records used in our study have a temporal resolution of ~120 years on average, which precludes us from examining variations in rates of change occurring within a century. Other factors also contribute to smoothing the proxy temperature signals contained in many of the records we used, such as organisms burrowing through deep-sea mud, and chronological uncertainties in the proxy records that tend to smooth the signals when compositing them into a globally averaged reconstruction."

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/03/response-by-marcott-et-al/

So what smoothing did Mann use? Wink
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Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2020 at 9:50am:
Try reading the extracts, bet they won’t say what you think.



Poor petal. Obviously you haven't read the papers. Otherwise being the "scientist" that you are you could demolish them.Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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lee wrote on Nov 2nd, 2020 at 1:55pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2020 at 9:50am:
Try reading the extracts, bet they won’t say what you think.



Poor petal. Obviously you haven't read the papers. Otherwise being the "scientist" that you are you could demolish them.Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Mong is a scientist?  Grin Grin Grin
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A geologist he says. More like a Golem.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2020 at 10:32am:
No Ajax that would be you.

The MWP and the LIA were not concurrently global—neither period was warm or cool over the whole globe and the LIA was mainly a North Atlantic phenomenon.



But the Thames river froze over.
Will it happen again?
If the Atlantic conveyor- the Gulf Stream stops
then it will.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/climate/impact/gulf_stream.shtml

The Gulf Stream brings warmth to the UK and north-west Europe and is the reason we have mild winters. Without this steady stream of warmth the British Isles winters are estimated to be more than 5C cooler, bringing the average December temperature in London to about 2C.



Monk,
Will you apologise if the Thames river freezes over again?
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The MWP and the LIA were not concurrently global—neither period was warm or cool over the whole globe and the LIA was mainly a North Atlantic phenomenon.


Perhaps or perhaps not.

" We present proxy-climate data (plant macrofossils; peat humification) covering the past three millennia from an ombrotrophic mire (peat bog) in Tierra del Fuego, southern South America, but focus our discussion on the period traditionally associated with the LIA. During parts of this time, the mire surface was apparently relatively dry compared with much of its 3000-year record. It was reported earlier that a particularly dry episode in the mire coincided with the 2800 cal. BP ‘solar’ event (since identified as a Grand Solar Minimum), which was attributed to solar-driven changes in atmospheric circulation, and more specifically to a shift in position of the Westerlies. Parts of the LIA record show a similar shift to dryness, and we invoke a similar cause. The shifts to and from dry episodes are abrupt. These new data support the concept of a global LIA, and for at least the intense dry episodes might reinforce the claim for solar forcing of parts of the LIA climate."

"The 'Little Ice Age' in the Southern Hemisphere in the context of the last 3000 years: Peat-based proxy-climate data from Tierra del Fuego"

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/268511817_The_'Little_Ice_Age'_in_the_S...

You do understand the lack of land masses and widespread confirmation?
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Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2020 at 10:32am:
No Ajax that would be you.

The MWP and the LIA were not concurrently global—neither period was warm or cool over the whole globe and the LIA was mainly a North Atlantic phenomenon.


You are wasting your time JM

Ajax is a deluded conspiracy theorist
lee is a parasite whose only posts on this forum are to try and discredit other peoples posts. He contributes nothing.
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Ajax is a decent guy, will willingly give him some of my time.

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Perhaps you have something constructive? You know like how the study was flawed?

No i didn't think so. My own little troll. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Neferti wrote on Nov 2nd, 2020 at 2:56pm:
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A geologist he says. More like a Golem.


This Gollum?
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That very Gollum Nef  Wink
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The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 2nd, 2020 at 3:51pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2020 at 10:32am:
No Ajax that would be you.

The MWP and the LIA were not concurrently global—neither period was warm or cool over the whole globe and the LIA was mainly a North Atlantic phenomenon.


You are wasting your time JM

Ajax is a deluded conspiracy theorist
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Barny where you been hanging out dude, miss your commentary....... Smiley Wink

Always good to hear from you.... Cheesy
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Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2020 at 4:00pm:
Ajax is a decent guy, will willingly give him some of my time.

Prefer to do that in my board tho Ajax.


JV when you defend the hockey stick you're flogging a dead horse mate.

A bit like FD and the unions.

You choose to stick your head in the sand and listen to the IPCC, we cannot have a conversation when you are trying to defend an organization that many scientists claim is more political than scientific.

I have given you many examples in this thread yet you will not listen. and dismiss it straight away.

Sorry champ but you are following an organisation whose scientific credibility was shot many moons ago.

I'm telling you the grass is green and you're telling me its blue....... Cheesy
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How much CO2 would be left in the atmosphere...???

If all nations were to spend billions of dollars on the stock exchange mitigating manmade CO2 emissions.

Some science first to get in the picture,

Manmade atmospheric CO2 emissions are approximately less than 5% of the natural atmospheric CO2 that degases from oceans and land every year.

The IPCC actually gives a residence time of about 4 years in the 2007 AR4 WG1 report (see page 948) see below,

The IPCC say manmade CO2 emissions are 35GT/yr from fossil fuels and

Natural CO2 emissions are 766GT every year from oceans and land.

Therefore from the total amount of CO2 in our atmosphere today of approximately 410ppm then,

Berry (2016) estimates the following,

392ppm comes from natural degassing of ocean and land every year and

18ppm are due to manmade emissions

410ppm - 18ppm = 392ppm,

So if we got rid of all manmade CO2 in the atmosphere we would be left with 392ppm from 410ppm.

Is it really worth it, to try and get rid of so little for so much.

This little bit doesn't really make any difference in the end.

Do you really want to spend billions of tax payer monies on the stock market

to reduce the small amount of manmade atmospheric CO2

content of which is 18ppm because the rest 392ppm is natural, unless we attack nature herself..?

Think of it this way how much more higher would the temperature be from 392ppm to 410ppm

I don't think that's the sort of mitigation the IPCC is talking about.


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Why human CO2 does not change climate by Edwin Berry, PhD

https://edberry.com/blog/climate/climate-physics/human-co2-not-change-climate/


Below Scientific papers that conclude human emissions cause only a minor change in the level of atmospheric carbon dioxide.

Manmade CO2 emissions do not continually increase the atmospheric CO2 content as the IPCC claims.

The IPCC Bern model about the accumulation of CO2 in the atmosphere is wrong, see papers below.

Information based on Berry (2016)

Revelle and Suess (1957)
Star (1992)
Segalstad (1992, 1996, 1998, 2009)
Rorsch, Courtney, & Thoenas (2005)
Courtney (2008)
Siddons & D’Aleo (2007)
MacRae (2008, 2015)
Essenhigh (2009)
Glassman (2010)
Wilde (2012)
Caryl (2013)
Humlum et al. (2013)
Salby (2012, 2015, 2016)
Berry (2016)
Harde (2017)


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"Carbon dioxide (CO2) is an extreme example. Its turnover time is only about four years because of the rapid exchange between the atmosphere and the ocean and terrestrial biota."

IPCC 2007 AR4 WG1 report (see page 948),

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/ar4-wg1-annexes-1.pdf


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Quote:
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“The data doesn't matter. We're not basing our recommendations on the data. We're basing them on the climate models.”
•Prof. Chris Folland, Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research

“The models are convenient fictions that provide something very useful.”
•Dr David Frame, Climate modeler, Oxford University

"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true."
•Paul Watson, Co-founder of Greenpeace

"Unless we announce disasters no one will listen."
•Sir John Houghton, First chairman of IPCC

"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony... climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world."
•Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment

Now on to the Club of Rome.


"The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
•Alexander King Co-Founder of the Club of Rome, (premier environmental think-tank and consultants to the United Nations) from his 1991 book The First Global Revolution

"We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination... So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts... Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest."
•Prof. Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Biology and Global Change. Professor Schneider was among the earliest and most vocal proponents of man-made global warming and a lead author of many IPCC reports. He is a member of the Club of Rome.

"We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy."
•Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation and member of the Club of Rome.

"Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”

"[The Earth Summit will play an important role in] reforming and strengthening the United Nations as the centerpiece of the emerging system of democratic global governance."

"The concept of national sovereignty has been an immutable, indeed sacred, principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation. It is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation states, however powerful. The global community must be assured of environmental security."

•Maurice Strong, Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), Al Gore's mentor and executive member of the Club of Rome.

"I believe it is appropriate to have an 'over-representation' of the facts on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience."
•Al Gore, member of the Club of Rome and set to become the world's first carbon billionaire. He is also the largest shareholder of Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX), which looks set to become the world's central carbon trading body.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/a5q2k/the_club_of_romes_world_govern...



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In The Words of The Club of Rome


Some of the Club of Rome members are: David Rockefeller, George Soros, Henry Kissinger, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Mikhail Gorbachev, Kofi Annan, Bill Gates, Ted Turne, Tony Blair, Robert Muller, The Dalai Lama, Hassan bin Talal, Javier Solana, Javier Perez de Cuellar, Gro Harlem Bruntland, Garret Hardin, King Juan Carlos of Spain and his wife Queen Sophia, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, Prince Philippe of Belgium, and about 80 other wealthy elites, new age cultists, former and current U.N. figures, and political figures. 

http://real-world-news.org/articles-rwn/warming.html


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Global Leadership for Climate Action is a joint initiative of the United Nations Foundation and the Club of Madrid which “aims to design a framework for a new enforceable international agreement on climate change.”

The GLCA has editorial input into reports and assessments produced by the IPCC and provides “technical expertise on the implications and communication of climate change science.”

By my count more than two-thirds of the GLCA members are also members of the CoR including: George Soros, Ted Turner, Timothy Wirth, Gro Harlem Brundtland, Mary Robinson, Sir Crispin Tickell, Kim Campbell, Wangari Maathai, Petre Roman and Richard Lagos.

Now I have to wonder what qualifies George Soros and Ted Turner to provide technical advice on climate change science!!


Have a look at the network of organisations and their influence on world matters, these PIGS control.....truly scary.........even if you support them....or their ideology like AGW....!!!!

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WHEN YOU SUPPORT ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING THESE ARE THE PEOPLE AND THEIR VIEWS THAT YOU'RE SUPPORTING.

I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE AN ALARMIST BUT IF THEY HAD THEIR WAY US PLEBS WOULD BE BACK IN THE CAVES..!

BUT I DON'T THINK IT WILL APPLY TO THE ELITE, THE OLIGARCHY..........HAVE ANYONE OF THEM LED BY EXAMPLE........?


2052 A GLOBAL FORECAST FOR THE NEXT FORTY YEARS

The club of Rome - the high priests of the Anthropogenic Global Warming Religion (AGW).

If you can't be bothered watching it all, go to the 36 minute mark of the third video from the left and view it for 15 minutes.

Truly scary stuff that we need saving by these PIGS...!!!



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Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2020 at 10:23am:
Mann’s hockey stick has been replicated by dozens of other paleoclimate studies. So it has been validated many times over.

The temperature difference between the MWP and LIA on those hand drawn charts is far too big. It was a very few tenths of a degree Celsius difference.

Many hockey sticks:



If you do the same thing and use the same methods the result will be the same.

"Knowledge of climate variability over the last 1 to 2 kyr in the SH and tropics is severely limited by the lack of palaeoclimatic records. In the NH, the situation is better, but there are important limitations due to a lack of tropical records and ocean records. Differing amplitudes and variability observed in available millennial-length NH temperature reconstructions, and the extent to which these differences relate to choice of proxy data and statistical calibration methods, need to be reconciled."


"Lead Authors:

Keith R. Briffa (UK), Jean-Claude Duplessy (France), Fortunat Joos (Switzerland), Valérie Masson-Delmotte (France), Daniel Olago (Kenya), Bette Otto-Bliesner (USA), W. Richard Peltier (Canada), Stefan Rahmstorf (Germany), Rengaswamy Ramesh (India), Dominique Raynaud (France), David Rind (USA), Olga Solomina (Russian Federation), Ricardo Villalba (Argentina), De’er Zhang (China) "

https://archive.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch6.html

Somewhat of  walk back. Wink
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The Anthro-Android Evolution is beginning.
Will you 'evolve' with the times>?

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Jasin wrote on Nov 15th, 2020 at 6:12pm:
The Anthro-Android Evolution is beginning.
Will you 'evolve' with the times>?

Being an Aussie Ranga. Ajax really does have a good grasp upon the 'Global' Scene.


Well thanks mate.... Smiley

But the truth is when I was in my late teens early twenties I used to see the people demonstrating at the CHOGM meetings and other etc, against free trade and globalisation and I use to roll my eyes thinking they were idiots. Roll Eyes

Wasn’t interested back then had no time for them, to find out WHY they were protesting. Huh

Now that I’m older and have looked into it, now I understand WHY….!... Shocked

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