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Reply #45 - Oct 26^th, 2020 at 12:02pm

rhino wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:32pm:

Depends, Hammer are they from a different "race" to the dominant, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic group? If they are a different religion, it is a Sectarian matter. Australian has already suffered from that divide, between Catholics and Protestants until the 1960s and has since jettisoned it. Perhaps that is a clue for you to follow up? Australians appear unwilling to re-exercise that division. Funny that, hey? Roll Eyes

Do you decide who comes in to your house Brian? Or do you just say, I want 10 people over for dinner tonight, will open the doors and pick 10 people at random? or do you invite people over whose views and values coincide with your own?

Immigrants are, despite what you appear to believe, chosen because of their skills or circumstances and are then invited to come into Australia. If those skills or circumstances are not what they claim, they are then rejected. Time you caught up with the realities of how Immigration works downunder. Immigrants are not chosen at random. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #46 - Oct 26^th, 2020 at 2:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 9:57am:

We have a thread on spineless apologetics here where he supports the Christian death penalty for atheists.

Is the death penalty a Christian idea?

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 9:57am:

I wonder if Brian would call apostates from these countries islamophobes. Roll Eyes

Huh?

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Reply #47 - Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 10:38pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:26pm:

moses wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:20pm:

Could you tell us where are the muslims, who are calling for the qur'an to be changed, in order to stop the global problem we face with fundamentalist muslims?

Or are you just lying again?

Nope. They, like Christians just reinterpret what their prophet(s) said, Moses. You completely ignore half of the Bible when it suits you. You know, the "Old Testament" that driving force of so many Christian Terrorists? Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out again, hey? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

I have never seen a reinterpretation of the Koran, probably because, being eternal and unchangeable, no believing Muslim would ever think of updating it.

No updating is required. All that is required is a reinterpretation and a re-emphasis on the peaceful aspects of the writing, exactly as most Christians have done. Since WWII, Christians have forgotten the warrior aspects of their religion. In WWI, Germany had "Got mit uns" on the belt buckles of their troops, "God with us". Germany once referred to it's own troops as "huns" when they attacked China during the Boxer Rebellion. The French, the British, all preached about "warrior spirit" from the Pulpit quite happily. It is amazing how short sighted your memory is, Agatha... Roll Eyes

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The Bible, not having such restrictions, spawns reformations every other day.

Except in those believers who have read and understood the messages contained in the Old Testament, an integral part of every Bible. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

There is no Muslim reinterpretation.
The Koran is not open to reinterpretation, being eternal and unchangeable, Allah's word from the beginning to all eternity.. How do you 'reinterpret' that?

Same thing happens amongst conservative Christians, Agatha. They're particularly fond of the King James version of the Bible, seeing it as "inspired by God." Personally, I prefer the King Charles version which was largely destroyed by Oliver Cromwell. Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny. They both seek harsh punishments for relatively minor crimes. Funny that, you could interchange them and not really notice all that difference. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

I have never heard of a Christian beheading a Muslim school teacher. Nor have you.

Your treating the two as if they were the same is completely unsupportable by facts.

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Reply #48 - Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:31pm

Bertie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 10:38pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:26pm:

moses wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:20pm:

Could you tell us where are the muslims, who are calling for the qur'an to be changed, in order to stop the global problem we face with fundamentalist muslims?

Or are you just lying again?

Nope. They, like Christians just reinterpret what their prophet(s) said, Moses. You completely ignore half of the Bible when it suits you. You know, the "Old Testament" that driving force of so many Christian Terrorists? Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out again, hey? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

I have never seen a reinterpretation of the Koran, probably because, being eternal and unchangeable, no believing Muslim would ever think of updating it.

No updating is required. All that is required is a reinterpretation and a re-emphasis on the peaceful aspects of the writing, exactly as most Christians have done. Since WWII, Christians have forgotten the warrior aspects of their religion. In WWI, Germany had "Got mit uns" on the belt buckles of their troops, "God with us". Germany once referred to it's own troops as "huns" when they attacked China during the Boxer Rebellion. The French, the British, all preached about "warrior spirit" from the Pulpit quite happily. It is amazing how short sighted your memory is, Agatha... Roll Eyes

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The Bible, not having such restrictions, spawns reformations every other day.

Except in those believers who have read and understood the messages contained in the Old Testament, an integral part of every Bible. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

There is no Muslim reinterpretation.
The Koran is not open to reinterpretation, being eternal and unchangeable, Allah's word from the beginning to all eternity.. How do you 'reinterpret' that?

Same thing happens amongst conservative Christians, Agatha. They're particularly fond of the King James version of the Bible, seeing it as "inspired by God." Personally, I prefer the King Charles version which was largely destroyed by Oliver Cromwell. Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny. They both seek harsh punishments for relatively minor crimes. Funny that, you could interchange them and not really notice all that difference. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

I have never heard of a Christian beheading a Muslim school teacher. Nor have you.

Oh, I agree, Agatha, completely. How about Christians killing Muslims for well, being Muslims? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Your treating the two as if they were the same is completely unsupportable by facts.

No, the point I am making is that the two are, "similar". You do understand the difference between, "identical" and "similar", don't you, Agatha. Use Google if you want... Roll Eyes

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Samuel Paty beheading, in the wake of..... Reply #49 - Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:38pm The qur'an is riddled with commands to rape torture and slaughter non believers. There are no teachings of Christ which urge rape, torture and mass slaughter of non believers. Why do you lie all the time snakemouth?
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Reply #50 - Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:40pm

Every Islamic extremist attack over the past five years has been shocking and disturbing. In France alone, around 250 people have been massacred by radical Islamists since 2015. But there is something especially horrific about the premeditated targeting of a teacher for doing his job – that is, encouraging his pupils to think critically. Parents of his pupils say he was a kind, enthusiastic teacher who always encouraged children to think about issues in depth. Sophie Vénétitay of the SNES-FSU teachers’ union was right to say that he was murdered for doing what good teachers are meant to do – ‘teach critical thought’. This attack targeted one man, but its aim was to terrorise an entire republic; to send a dire, Middle Ages-style warning to public servants that they will put themselves in danger if they dare, in the terrorist’s own words, to ‘belittle Muhammad’.

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Reply #51 - Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:47pm

Bertie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:40pm:

Every Islamic extremist attack over the past five years has been shocking and disturbing. In France alone, around 250 people have been massacred by radical Islamists since 2015. But there is something especially horrific about the premeditated targeting of a teacher for doing his job – that is, encouraging his pupils to think critically. Parents of his pupils say he was a kind, enthusiastic teacher who always encouraged children to think about issues in depth. Sophie Vénétitay of the SNES-FSU teachers’ union was right to say that he was murdered for doing what good teachers are meant to do – ‘teach critical thought’. This attack targeted one man, but its aim was to terrorise an entire republic; to send a dire, Middle Ages-style warning to public servants that they will put themselves in danger if they dare, in the terrorist’s own words, to ‘belittle Muhammad’.

Again, it is in your own words, "one terrorist". Is it fair to target all Muslims because of what, "one terrorist" has done, Agatha? Really? I'd much rather that the Intelligence Services and the Police were targeting that, "one terrorists" and his supporters, rather than spending endless hours wasting their time following moderate, law-abiding, non-violent Muslims all over the countryside. Australia is unique, we have excellent counter-terrorism efforts, they spend their time on the Islamists who might cause problems, not on the moderate, law-abiding, non-violent Muslims. Roll Eyes

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Samuel Paty beheading, in the wake of..... Reply #52 - Oct 26^th, 2020 at 4:11pm Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:47pm: we have excellent counter-terrorism efforts, they spend their time on the Islamists who might cause problems White flag accepted
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Reply #53 - Oct 26^th, 2020 at 4:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 12:00pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 7:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 7:23pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 6:34pm:

There should be an INSTITUTIONAL, SOCIETAL and UNEQUIVOCAL rejection of all and every Islamic demands on the West's social and political life. There should be a POLITICAL Cronulla riot and unequivocal and forceful rejection of Islam's demands on the West's social and political arrangements.

Enough of this bloody mayhem.

Muslims should be put under the pump for letting this happen. It is NEVER a 'lone loon'. The Muslims of the West cultivate this. Time to squeeze their balls really hard. There is NO EXCUSE for this in 2020.

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Typical of your fascist sympathies, Soren. You would render Muslims second class citizens and render the concepts of tolerance as espoused in Multiculturalism as being pointless. Muslims, if Australian citizens have as much right as you have, to work to change Australia and it's society to better reflect what they desire it to be. Not all Muslims are Islamists, despite what you might believe. Most Muslims are peaceful, moderate and law-abiding individuals. I just wish you were. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

...and us Anglo-saxon, Christians have the right to democratically exercise our right to not have them here in our country without being labelled wacist tsk tsk

Depends, Hammer are they from a different "race" to the dominant, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic group? If they are a different religion, it is a Sectarian matter. Australian has already suffered from that divide, between Catholics and Protestants until the 1960s and has since jettisoned it. Perhaps that is a clue for you to follow up? Australians appear unwilling to re-exercise that division. Funny that, hey? Roll Eyes

Very sad, actually tsk tsk. Spastics like you have bullied Australians from exercising our democratic right to have a say on our government's immigration policies.

Surely you vote, Hammer? You therefore have a say in what the Government does by choosing a candidate that reflects your viewpoint. If you don't vote, you only have yourself to blame... Roll Eyes

The Left have an open door policy. The Right have a slightly closed door policy. Neither approach appeals to me.

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Reply #54 - Oct 26^th, 2020 at 5:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 12:02pm:

rhino wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:32pm:

Depends, Hammer are they from a different "race" to the dominant, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic group? If they are a different religion, it is a Sectarian matter. Australian has already suffered from that divide, between Catholics and Protestants until the 1960s and has since jettisoned it. Perhaps that is a clue for you to follow up? Australians appear unwilling to re-exercise that division. Funny that, hey? Roll Eyes

Do you decide who comes in to your house Brian? Or do you just say, I want 10 people over for dinner tonight, will open the doors and pick 10 people at random? or do you invite people over whose views and values coincide with your own?

Immigrants are, despite what you appear to believe, chosen because of their skills or circumstances and are then invited to come into Australia. If those skills or circumstances are not what they claim, they are then rejected. Time you caught up with the realities of how Immigration works downunder. Immigrants are not chosen at random. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Well, up to a point, bbwian. Half are skilled - the other half are non-assessed 'family' -wives in burqas who will never work and kids who dob teachers in to their grusome uncles.
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Skill – designed to improve the productive capacity of the economy and fill skill shortages in the labour market, including those in regional Australia. The majority of the places in the program are in the Skill stream (79,600 places in 2020-21, 50.7 per cent of the program).
Family – is predominately made up of Partner visas, enabling Australians to reunite with family members from overseas, and provide them with pathways to citizenship (77,300 places in 2020-21, 49.2 per cent of the program).
Special Eligibility – this covers visas for those in special circumstances. This can include permanent residents returning to Australia after a period away, and is the smallest stream (100 places in 2020-21).
At least 3,000 Child places will be available in 2020-21.
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/what-we-do/migration-program-planning-levels

For every 'skilled' migrant (the guy taking your money at the 7-11 petrol station - they are on graduate skilled visas) there is another one with no skills but a womb and 3 kids, 4 to come.

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Reply #57 - Oct 26^th, 2020 at 7:25pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 4:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 12:00pm:

Surely you vote, Hammer? You therefore have a say in what the Government does by choosing a candidate that reflects your viewpoint. If you don't vote, you only have yourself to blame... Roll Eyes

The Left have an open door policy. The Right have a slightly closed door policy. Neither approach appeals to me.

So, you don't vote? You naughty, naughty boy and you still complain. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #59 - Oct 26^th, 2020 at 7:29pm

Frank wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 5:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 12:02pm:

rhino wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:32pm:

Depends, Hammer are they from a different "race" to the dominant, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic group? If they are a different religion, it is a Sectarian matter. Australian has already suffered from that divide, between Catholics and Protestants until the 1960s and has since jettisoned it. Perhaps that is a clue for you to follow up? Australians appear unwilling to re-exercise that division. Funny that, hey? Roll Eyes

Do you decide who comes in to your house Brian? Or do you just say, I want 10 people over for dinner tonight, will open the doors and pick 10 people at random? or do you invite people over whose views and values coincide with your own?

Immigrants are, despite what you appear to believe, chosen because of their skills or circumstances and are then invited to come into Australia. If those skills or circumstances are not what they claim, they are then rejected. Time you caught up with the realities of how Immigration works downunder. Immigrants are not chosen at random. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Well, up to a point, bbwian. Half are skilled - the other half are non-assessed 'family' -wives in burqas who will never work and kids who dob teachers in to their grusome uncles.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Really? You have evidence of this, Soren? Why haven't you presented it to the Immigration officials or the Police? You really don't have any evidence, do you. It is just your Islamophobia talking again. Tsk, tsk. Seek help, Soren. Please. Before it is too late. Roll Eyes

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