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Reply #15 - Oct 24^th, 2020 at 7:20pm

Bertie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:26pm:

moses wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:20pm:

Could you tell us where are the muslims, who are calling for the qur'an to be changed, in order to stop the global problem we face with fundamentalist muslims?

Or are you just lying again?

Nope. They, like Christians just reinterpret what their prophet(s) said, Moses. You completely ignore half of the Bible when it suits you. You know, the "Old Testament" that driving force of so many Christian Terrorists? Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out again, hey? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

I have never seen a reinterpretation of the Koran, probably because, being eternal and unchangeable, no believing Muslim would ever think of updating it.

No updating is required. All that is required is a reinterpretation and a re-emphasis on the peaceful aspects of the writing, exactly as most Christians have done. Since WWII, Christians have forgotten the warrior aspects of their religion. In WWI, Germany had "Got mit uns" on the belt buckles of their troops, "God with us". Germany once referred to it's own troops as "huns" when they attacked China during the Boxer Rebellion. The French, the British, all preached about "warrior spirit" from the Pulpit quite happily. It is amazing how short sighted your memory is, Agatha... Roll Eyes

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The Bible, not having such restrictions, spawns reformations every other day.

Except in those believers who have read and understood the messages contained in the Old Testament, an integral part of every Bible. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #16 - Oct 24^th, 2020 at 8:36pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 12:36pm:

Your language betrays your Islamophobia.

"The so-called moderate population".

Really?

They are overwhelmingly moderate.

Moslems....

"They are overwhelmingly moderate."

That is an absurd claim.

A 'real' moderate moslem, is a mythical creature.

And a honest moslem, is as rare, as a unicorn.

ARGUMENT;
If the moslem is choosing to conceal from you [at this time], his malevolent intent, towards you and those you love,
the moslem, cannot in any honest sense, claim to be a 'moderate' [or a benign] person.

THE TRUTH;
A moslem is a person who chooses to be a follower of ISLAM.

And moslem is a person who publicly declares himself to be, a follower of ISLAM.

And every 'moslem' is choosing this path, ....even when it can be plainly and easily proven,
...that ISLAM is a philosophy whose religious texts promote hatred of non-moslems,
and declare, that the followers of ISLAM will be rewarded by Allah, when they fight and kill those people, who have rejected ISLAM, and the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And it is a philosophy whose religious texts, describe those who reject ISLAM, as "the friends of Satan".

QUESTION;
In what sense, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy which [plainly] preaches violent religious bigotry, a 'moderate' person ?

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"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

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"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2
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MY ARGUMENT;
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And, a new attack is going to occur whenever any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.

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AN ALARMING REVELATION, showing how moslems [living within Western nations] are choosing to promote the hateful precepts of ISLAM, to their own young children....

'The followers of ISLAM do this everywhere' [....initiate violence/warfare, whenever the local non-moslems are weak or weak minded]
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1557099706/0#0

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1602884178/6#6

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Reply #17 - Oct 24^th, 2020 at 9:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:26pm:

moses wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:20pm:

Could you tell us where are the muslims, who are calling for the qur'an to be changed, in order to stop the global problem we face with fundamentalist muslims?

Or are you just lying again?

Nope. They, like Christians just reinterpret what their prophet(s) said, Moses. You completely ignore half of the Bible when it suits you. You know, the "Old Testament" that driving force of so many Christian Terrorists? Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out again, hey? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

I have never seen a reinterpretation of the Koran, probably because, being eternal and unchangeable, no believing Muslim would ever think of updating it.

No updating is required. All that is required is a reinterpretation and a re-emphasis on the peaceful aspects of the writing, exactly as most Christians have done. Since WWII, Christians have forgotten the warrior aspects of their religion. In WWI, Germany had "Got mit uns" on the belt buckles of their troops, "God with us". Germany once referred to it's own troops as "huns" when they attacked China during the Boxer Rebellion. The French, the British, all preached about "warrior spirit" from the Pulpit quite happily. It is amazing how short sighted your memory is, Agatha... Roll Eyes

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The Bible, not having such restrictions, spawns reformations every other day.

Except in those believers who have read and understood the messages contained in the Old Testament, an integral part of every Bible. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

There is no Muslim reinterpretation.
The Koran is not open to reinterpretation, being eternal and unchangeable, Allah's word from the beginning to all eternity.. How do you 'reinterpret' that?

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Reply #18 - Oct 24^th, 2020 at 10:38pm

Bertie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:26pm:

moses wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:20pm:

Could you tell us where are the muslims, who are calling for the qur'an to be changed, in order to stop the global problem we face with fundamentalist muslims?

Or are you just lying again?

Nope. They, like Christians just reinterpret what their prophet(s) said, Moses. You completely ignore half of the Bible when it suits you. You know, the "Old Testament" that driving force of so many Christian Terrorists? Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out again, hey? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

I have never seen a reinterpretation of the Koran, probably because, being eternal and unchangeable, no believing Muslim would ever think of updating it.

No updating is required. All that is required is a reinterpretation and a re-emphasis on the peaceful aspects of the writing, exactly as most Christians have done. Since WWII, Christians have forgotten the warrior aspects of their religion. In WWI, Germany had "Got mit uns" on the belt buckles of their troops, "God with us". Germany once referred to it's own troops as "huns" when they attacked China during the Boxer Rebellion. The French, the British, all preached about "warrior spirit" from the Pulpit quite happily. It is amazing how short sighted your memory is, Agatha... Roll Eyes

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The Bible, not having such restrictions, spawns reformations every other day.

Except in those believers who have read and understood the messages contained in the Old Testament, an integral part of every Bible. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

There is no Muslim reinterpretation.
The Koran is not open to reinterpretation, being eternal and unchangeable, Allah's word from the beginning to all eternity.. How do you 'reinterpret' that?

Same thing happens amongst conservative Christians, Agatha. They're particularly fond of the King James version of the Bible, seeing it as "inspired by God." Personally, I prefer the King Charles version which was largely destroyed by Oliver Cromwell. Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny. They both seek harsh punishments for relatively minor crimes. Funny that, you could interchange them and not really notice all that difference. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #19 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 12:14am

Should a muslim who supports the death penalty for apostates and homosexuals be considered moderate?

If a muslim supports death for blasphemy or insulting Muhammad are they moderates or extremists?

Brian claims to be an expert on Islam because he had a muslim friend, using Brians logic i am an expert on Christianity because i have christian friends yet have never read the bible.

We have a thread on Brians spineless apologetics here where he supports the islamic death penalty for atheists. I wonder if Brian would call apostates from these countries islamophobes. Roll Eyes

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233325

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Reply #22 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 9:49am

freediver wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:23am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 10:38pm:

Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny.

What about the actual religions. How do you think they compare Brian? Or is that a loaded question?

You answer my questions, FD and I might answer yours. Roll Eyes

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Reply #23 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 9:53am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 9:49am:

freediver wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:23am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 10:38pm:

Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny.

What about the actual religions. How do you think they compare Brian? Or is that a loaded question?

You answer my questions, FD and I might answer yours. Roll Eyes

Ah, so it was a loaded question?

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Reply #24 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 9:57am

Should a Christian who supports the death penalty for non-believers and homosexuals be considered moderate?

If a Christian supports death for blasphemy or insulting Yahweh are they moderates or extremists?

Baron claims to be an expert on Islam because he has no Muslim friends, using Baron's logic i am an expert on Islam because i have Muslim friends and I have never read the Koran.

We have a thread on spineless apologetics here where he supports the Christian death penalty for atheists. I wonder if Brian would call apostates from these countries islamophobes. Roll Eyes

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Reply #25 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 9:58am

freediver wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 9:53am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 9:49am:

freediver wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:23am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 10:38pm:

Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny.

What about the actual religions. How do you think they compare Brian? Or is that a loaded question?

You answer my questions, FD and I might answer yours. Roll Eyes

Ah, so it was a loaded question?

You answer my questions, FD and I might answer yours. Roll Eyes

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Reply #28 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 11:36am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 10:38pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:26pm:

moses wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:20pm:

Could you tell us where are the muslims, who are calling for the qur'an to be changed, in order to stop the global problem we face with fundamentalist muslims?

Or are you just lying again?

Nope. They, like Christians just reinterpret what their prophet(s) said, Moses. You completely ignore half of the Bible when it suits you. You know, the "Old Testament" that driving force of so many Christian Terrorists? Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out again, hey? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

I have never seen a reinterpretation of the Koran, probably because, being eternal and unchangeable, no believing Muslim would ever think of updating it.

No updating is required. All that is required is a reinterpretation and a re-emphasis on the peaceful aspects of the writing, exactly as most Christians have done. Since WWII, Christians have forgotten the warrior aspects of their religion. In WWI, Germany had "Got mit uns" on the belt buckles of their troops, "God with us". Germany once referred to it's own troops as "huns" when they attacked China during the Boxer Rebellion. The French, the British, all preached about "warrior spirit" from the Pulpit quite happily. It is amazing how short sighted your memory is, Agatha... Roll Eyes

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The Bible, not having such restrictions, spawns reformations every other day.

Except in those believers who have read and understood the messages contained in the Old Testament, an integral part of every Bible. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

There is no Muslim reinterpretation.
The Koran is not open to reinterpretation, being eternal and unchangeable, Allah's word from the beginning to all eternity.. How do you 'reinterpret' that?

Same thing happens amongst conservative Christians, Agatha. They're particularly fond of the King James version of the Bible, seeing it as "inspired by God." Personally, I prefer the King Charles version which was largely destroyed by Oliver Cromwell. Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny. They both seek harsh punishments for relatively minor crimes. Funny that, you could interchange them and not really notice all that difference. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

This beheading js an instance of institutional hatred of Westerners by Muslims.

These should be demonstrations in front of mosques. Western Lives Matter.

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Reply #29 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 12:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 10:38pm:

....Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny.

....Funny that, you could interchange them and not really notice all that difference.

I don't think so brian.

brian,

When you speak of Conservative Christians, are you perhaps referring to people like myself ?

I'm no extremist brian. [unless you believe that having a liking, for reading the bible, is a 'marker' for extremism ??]

Also brian, i don't [and wouldn't] threaten to kill people who do not believe as i believe.

Who does that brian ? Who threatens to kill disbelievers ? Oh yeah.....i remember now !

In fact, you may have noticed, that from time to time, i will often ALSO post this [below] in the same thread [if i feel that i may have posted something a little 'provocative'].

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Yadda said.....
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Promoting and encouraging violent and unlawful acts is illegal.

We live in a country in which the people supposedly respect the rule of law.

Without widespread respect for the law of the land, we [our Australian society] would descend into being like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc - which is exactly what moslems are trying to achieve.

Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society.

SUGGESTION;
If you live in Australia and you don't like what ISLAM promotes then you should contact your federal parliamentary representative - EXPLAIN TO HIM/HER WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE ISLAM AND MOSLEMS - and encourage your federal parliamentary representative to try to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia.

Act within the law.

Otherwise we are no better than moslems.

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Who does that brian ?

Who threatens to kill disbelievers ? Oh yeah.....i remember now !

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

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"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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