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Reply #150 - Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 8:10pm

Bertie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 5:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 5:33pm:

Bertie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 3:28pm:

It's not persecution to notice that Muslims kill people for trifles and then justify it simply by referring to their bruised feelings, as if Muslims' feelings were the final arbiters of freedom in Western countries and were sufficient explanations even for murders.

To you they are trifles but to many Muslims they are not.

They should get out of France and the West if they want to maintain their 'right' to kill people over cartoons and other trivia. I find it unbelievable that you are so invested in trying to find a way to justify and excuse murders for cartoons. It is truly abhorrent and stomach-turning.

Where have I attempted to justify or excuse a single act of Terrorism, Agatha, committed by anyone? Care to quote and provide a link to where I have said such a thing? Really? You keep erecting strawman arguments. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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You must be a Muslims or an isolated, lonely person who hasn't interacted with the world for years and has built a private fantasy world inhabited only by yourself (as others have been saying you are).

I am not a Muslim. I am not isolated. You appear to be an Islamophobe. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #151 - Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 8:11pm

Bertie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 5:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:31pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 10:38pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:26pm:

moses wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:20pm:

Could you tell us where are the muslims, who are calling for the qur'an to be changed, in order to stop the global problem we face with fundamentalist muslims?

Or are you just lying again?

Nope. They, like Christians just reinterpret what their prophet(s) said, Moses. You completely ignore half of the Bible when it suits you. You know, the "Old Testament" that driving force of so many Christian Terrorists? Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out again, hey? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

I have never seen a reinterpretation of the Koran, probably because, being eternal and unchangeable, no believing Muslim would ever think of updating it.

No updating is required. All that is required is a reinterpretation and a re-emphasis on the peaceful aspects of the writing, exactly as most Christians have done. Since WWII, Christians have forgotten the warrior aspects of their religion. In WWI, Germany had "Got mit uns" on the belt buckles of their troops, "God with us". Germany once referred to it's own troops as "huns" when they attacked China during the Boxer Rebellion. The French, the British, all preached about "warrior spirit" from the Pulpit quite happily. It is amazing how short sighted your memory is, Agatha... Roll Eyes

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The Bible, not having such restrictions, spawns reformations every other day.

Except in those believers who have read and understood the messages contained in the Old Testament, an integral part of every Bible. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

There is no Muslim reinterpretation.
The Koran is not open to reinterpretation, being eternal and unchangeable, Allah's word from the beginning to all eternity.. How do you 'reinterpret' that?

Same thing happens amongst conservative Christians, Agatha. They're particularly fond of the King James version of the Bible, seeing it as "inspired by God." Personally, I prefer the King Charles version which was largely destroyed by Oliver Cromwell. Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny. They both seek harsh punishments for relatively minor crimes. Funny that, you could interchange them and not really notice all that difference. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

I have never heard of a Christian beheading a Muslim school teacher. Nor have you.

Oh, I agree, Agatha, completely. How about Christians killing Muslims for well, being Muslims? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

So you want to compare apples with kidney stones now?

Isn't that exactly what you are proposing, Agatha? Roll Eyes

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Reply #152 - Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 8:13pm

Bertie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 5:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:31pm:

No, the point I am making is that the two are, "similar". You do understand the difference between, "identical" and "similar", don't you, Agatha. Use Google if you want... Roll Eyes

You look to me as someone scrambling and avoiding honesty. What is identical in Christianity and Islam? What is merely 'similar', for YOUR argument?

I don't need to Google what you may or may not mean. You should be able to articulate it.

And what's with the silly eye rolling? You are not withholding anything, 'hahaha' - you don't even articulate or defend your points. Quit the silly emoticons. Don't hint, articulate if it's in you. Eye-rolling is not an argument.

Islam is heavily based on Judaism and Christianity, Agatha. You'd know that if you knew anything at all about Islam. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #153 - Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 9:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 8:13pm:

Bertie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 5:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:31pm:

No, the point I am making is that the two are, "similar". You do understand the difference between, "identical" and "similar", don't you, Agatha. Use Google if you want... Roll Eyes

You look to me as someone scrambling and avoiding honesty. What is identical in Christianity and Islam? What is merely 'similar', for YOUR argument?

I don't need to Google what you may or may not mean. You should be able to articulate it.

And what's with the silly eye rolling? You are not withholding anything, 'hahaha' - you don't even articulate or defend your points. Quit the silly emoticons. Don't hint, articulate if it's in you. Eye-rolling is not an argument.

Islam is heavily based on Judaism and Christianity, Agatha. You'd know that if you knew anything at all about Islam. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Heavily motivated by repudiating and superseding them.

And stop the stupid eyerolling. You are not a teenaged girl, are you?

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Reply #154 - Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 9:30pm

Bertie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 8:13pm:

Bertie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 5:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:31pm:

No, the point I am making is that the two are, "similar". You do understand the difference between, "identical" and "similar", don't you, Agatha. Use Google if you want... Roll Eyes

You look to me as someone scrambling and avoiding honesty. What is identical in Christianity and Islam? What is merely 'similar', for YOUR argument?

I don't need to Google what you may or may not mean. You should be able to articulate it.

And what's with the silly eye rolling? You are not withholding anything, 'hahaha' - you don't even articulate or defend your points. Quit the silly emoticons. Don't hint, articulate if it's in you. Eye-rolling is not an argument.

Islam is heavily based on Judaism and Christianity, Agatha. You'd know that if you knew anything at all about Islam. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Heavily motivated by repudiating and superseding them.

Mmmm, no. Try again, little lady... Roll Eyes

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And stop the stupid eyerolling. You are not a teenaged girl, are you?

Mmmm, no. Try again, little lady... Roll Eyes

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Reply #155 - Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 9:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 8:07pm:

Bertie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 5:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:47pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:40pm:

Every Islamic extremist attack over the past five years has been shocking and disturbing. In France alone, around 250 people have been massacred by radical Islamists since 2015. But there is something especially horrific about the premeditated targeting of a teacher for doing his job – that is, encouraging his pupils to think critically. Parents of his pupils say he was a kind, enthusiastic teacher who always encouraged children to think about issues in depth. Sophie Vénétitay of the SNES-FSU teachers’ union was right to say that he was murdered for doing what good teachers are meant to do – ‘teach critical thought’. This attack targeted one man, but its aim was to terrorise an entire republic; to send a dire, Middle Ages-style warning to public servants that they will put themselves in danger if they dare, in the terrorist’s own words, to ‘belittle Muhammad’.

Again, it is in your own words, "one terrorist". Is it fair to target all Muslims because of what, "one terrorist" has done, Agatha? Really? I'd much rather that the Intelligence Services and the Police were targeting that, "one terrorists" and his supporters, rather than spending endless hours wasting their time following moderate, law-abiding, non-violent Muslims all over the countryside. Australia is unique, we have excellent counter-terrorism efforts, they spend their time on the Islamists who might cause problems, not on the moderate, law-abiding, non-violent Muslims. Roll Eyes

Who shares the mindset and the values and aims of Islamic terrorists. That is the point.

Enabling Islamic terrorism is making the crimes possible. Muslims are enabling and hiding and defending their jihadists.
If there were no quiet supporters, these Islamists could not exist, they would be eliminated by their own communities. But they aren't - they pop up everywhere, all the time.

I am not aware of a network of Brevikistas or Tarrantistas or McVeighistas or Unabomberistas being rounded up. They were really isolated actors.
Not so with Islamic jihadists. Islam and its societies are tribal and so there is always multiple arrests in connection to every Islamic attack.

Islamic teachings ARE a significant factor in Islamic terrorism. Islamic ideology IS a significant factor. Islam IS a factor. It is not islamophobia to recognise the obvious. It is unacceptable to wanting to ignore it as you do.

No one denies that, Agatha. What is being denied is that all Muslims use the same interpretation that some Muslims, referred to as "Islamists" do. It is like comparing Christian extremists, such as Opus Dei or the Family to ordinary Christians. Doesn't do the Christians any service. Speaking of Christian extremists, where is you condemnation of their acts, their Terrorism? Don't be like Moses and proclaim there is nothing Christian about the Terrorists who delight in blowing up Abortion Clinics, etc. They do exist and they are inspired by Christianity.

What you appear unable or unwilling in your Islamophobia to understand, Islamists invariably target ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims first and foremost to try and frighten them into supporting their interpretation of Islam. The reason why they attack Westerners is doublefold. They seek to provoke Western armed response which invariably just targets Muslims, not Islamists to scare the Muslims into their fold. They also seek to kill or maim some unbelievers. Your attacks on Muslims are just doing what they want, do you realise that? Roll Eyes

When Muslims behead French school teachers for Mohammed, it is NOT for the school teachers to sort out the islamic theology and its rights and wrongs.

Muslims are wrong to behead or otherwise attack anyone, they are wrong to harm anyone.

Your campaign of excuses and justifications is unacceptable and horrifying. You must be a Muslim because your views and arguments are opposed to every enlightened reasonable take on the subject. You are speaking from an alien, barbaric perspective.

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Reply #157 - Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 10:04pm

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When Muslims behead French school teachers for Mohammed, it is NOT for the school teachers to sort out the islamic theology and its rights and wrongs.

Well, if you're going to live with a certain type of people it might be a good idea to work out what one shouldn't mention, Agatha... Roll Eyes

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Muslims are wrong to behead or otherwise attack anyone, they are wrong to harm anyone.

I think most Muslims would agree with you, Agatha. Problem is, the Islamists wouldn't. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Your campaign of excuses and justifications is unacceptable and horrifying.

What "campaign" is this, Agatha? Care to provide some quotes where I have provided excuses or justifications? Here, look, I'll even provide some space for you:
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Of course, you'll provide a link, now won't you?

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You must be a Muslim because your views and arguments are opposed to every enlightened reasonable take on the subject. You are speaking from an alien, barbaric perspective.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. I am not a Muslim. Now, why don't you run along dear, and when you've sorted yourself out a little bit, come back to me with a civil tongue in your head. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #158 - Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 10:11pm

When muslims start chopping heads off and killing people over Muhammad cartoons, movies and books they're following the Quran.

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Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter.

https://quran.com/5/33

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Reply #159 - Nov 3^rd, 2020 at 11:12am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 7:38pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 6:46pm:

Muslims cut off heads - and a week later they are even more of a victim than before their rampage!!! You have to be tinted to be murderous AND the victim. No golden haired blue eyed child would be afforded similar victim status after beheading his nanny.

Crazy times.

Must have been crowded in that church with 1.6 billion Muslims all wielding their scimitars, Soren. Real crowded, 'cause that is what you saying, all Muslims, even the ones on the other side of the world, the little kiddies, the old crones, every one of them committed this crime. Tsk, tsk. Such Islamophobia, such blanket condemnation of every person who is a Muslim, hey?

Grow up little man or the next time a Christian Terrorist commits their Terrorism, guess who wears the blame? Next time a secular Terrorist commits their Terrorism, guess who wears the blame? You and all your Islamophobe mates. Roll Eyes

Yeah, it's only the 'tiny minority', innit. The vast majority are nuffin' to worry about....

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Reply #160 - Nov 3^rd, 2020 at 11:17am

https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1323251502522208269

Emmanuel Macron has found himself demonised at protests throughout the Islamic world as anger grows at his defence of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.

Tens of thousands of demonstrators took to the streets of Bangladesh on Tuesday, branding him a 'Satan-worshipper' and burning him in effigy following smaller marches in Pakistan, Iraq, Turkey and Gaza on Monday.

Meanwhile hard-line Iranian newspaper Vatan-e Emrooz published a front-page cartoon of Macron as the Devil, branding him anti-Islamic and claiming that 'French extremists' had been seen burning copies of the Koran.

So now we can expect French patriots randomly beheading Muslims across the world, yes?

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Reply #161 - Nov 3^rd, 2020 at 1:13pm

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2020 at 11:17am:

https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1323251502522208269

Emmanuel Macron has found himself demonised at protests throughout the Islamic world as anger grows at his defence of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.

Tens of thousands of demonstrators took to the streets of Bangladesh on Tuesday, branding him a 'Satan-worshipper' and burning him in effigy following smaller marches in Pakistan, Iraq, Turkey and Gaza on Monday.

Meanwhile hard-line Iranian newspaper Vatan-e Emrooz published a front-page cartoon of Macron as the Devil, branding him anti-Islamic and claiming that 'French extremists' had been seen burning copies of the Koran.

So now we can expect French patriots randomly beheading Muslims across the world, yes?

The real Satan worshipers are muzzos.

Let's take a quick gander at their prophet, the ideal of their CULT.
Coward.....run away from his pursuers and hides .
Traitor........when he gets into power he attack and destroys those who sheltered him.
Liar.........honestly, stating he watched the sun set in a muddy hole and donkeys flying.
Pedophile.....raped children as young as 8, probably couldn't get it up with a woman.
Sociopath,........everything he preached resulted in beheading, murder, destruction etc.
Mentally ill........just read some of the shite he wrote about, winning an argument with the devil? Really?

Now, as an advocate for the devil.
Find me a better example.
And those who follow the teachings of this demented nutcase are the true devil worshipers.

They flee from their Murderious country and infect the western world.
Then they
Rort the welfare system
Bring crime and murder with them
Plague the country with their stupidity and sickness.
Bring DEATH and crime to levels previously unknown.

Islam is the devils own CULT
This is simple fact, obvious to anyone with even the most limited intelligence.

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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Reply #162 - Nov 3^rd, 2020 at 3:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 10:04pm:

Bertie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 9:40pm:

When Muslims behead French school teachers for Mohammed, it is NOT for the school teachers to sort out the islamic theology and its rights and wrongs.

Well, if you're going to live with a certain type of people it might be a good idea to work out what one shouldn't mention, Agatha... Roll Eyes

That is a spineless and despicable view but you seem to have a reputation for such views on this forum.

So it's time for the French populations to assimilate to the Muslims among them if they don't want to be killed?? Because Muslims will never assimilate and learn that they are now in France?

By the way, no Muslims is forced to stay in France. There are dozens of Muslim countries where Muslims can fit in. French Muslim who don't like French culture can go to Bangladesh or Pakistan. No Mohammed cartoons there to make them murderers.

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Reply #163 - Nov 3^rd, 2020 at 8:42pm

Bertie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2020 at 3:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 10:04pm:

Bertie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 9:40pm:

When Muslims behead French school teachers for Mohammed, it is NOT for the school teachers to sort out the islamic theology and its rights and wrongs.

Well, if you're going to live with a certain type of people it might be a good idea to work out what one shouldn't mention, Agatha... Roll Eyes

That is a spineless and despicable view but you seem to have a reputation for such views on this forum.

So it's time for the French populations to assimilate to the Muslims among them if they don't want to be killed?? Because Muslims will never assimilate and learn that they are now in France?

By the way, no Muslims is forced to stay in France. There are dozens of Muslim countries where Muslims can fit in. French Muslim who don't like French culture can go to Bangladesh or Pakistan. No Mohammed cartoons there to make them murderers.

Brian are you suggesting that allowing Muslims into your country implies an inevitable choice between self censorship and death?

Or merely that we should keep running away from them every time they show up?

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Reply #164 - Nov 3^rd, 2020 at 9:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 10:04pm:

Well, if you're going to live with a certain type of people it might be a good idea to work out what one shouldn't mention, Agatha... Roll Eyes

That is spineless pathetic victim blaming brian

Perhaps we should stop importing people who think it's ok to chop heads off over a drawing

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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