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Oct 13^th, 2020 at 4:52pm

Our resident unionist parrots (white knight, Gnads, Ye Grappler) have been throwing around this term, which does not sound very nice to me. Gnads likes to call them bludging scabs. But they all shy away of explaining what they mean with this term. So now is their chance to explain.

Why do you call your fellow Australians who are down on their luck at a given time, but who are willing and able to work and prepared to do a job that others consider beneath them in some way, a scab?

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: scab Reply #1 - Oct 13^th, 2020 at 4:58pm maybe thats where all the "name"calling came from....Unions... they also used to send someone to "coventry"... its a mental thing fd...playing with peoples minds.
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Reply #3 - Oct 13^th, 2020 at 5:26pm

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2020 at 4:52pm:

Our resident unionist parrots (white knight, Gnads, Ye Grappler) have been throwing around this term, which does not sound very nice to me. Gnads likes to call them bludging scabs. But they all shy away of explaining what they mean with this term. So now is their chance to explain.

Why do you call your fellow Australians who are down on their luck at a given time, but who are willing and able to work and prepared to do a job that others consider beneath them in some way, a scab?

Because they are undermining what has been long fought for. Fair pay for job done, not exploitation of those 'down on their luck' who, if employed, would render those they replaced on the basis of prostitution, unemployed. And the eternal downward spiral is set in place.

China, here we come. No protection for workers.

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Reply #4 - Oct 13^th, 2020 at 6:30pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2020 at 5:26pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2020 at 4:52pm:

Our resident unionist parrots (white knight, Gnads, Ye Grappler) have been throwing around this term, which does not sound very nice to me. Gnads likes to call them bludging scabs. But they all shy away of explaining what they mean with this term. So now is their chance to explain.

Why do you call your fellow Australians who are down on their luck at a given time, but who are willing and able to work and prepared to do a job that others consider beneath them in some way, a scab?

Because they are undermining what has been long fought for. Fair pay for job done, not exploitation of those 'down on their luck' who, if employed, would render those they replaced on the basis of prostitution, unemployed. And the eternal downward spiral is set in place.

China, here we come. No protection for workers.

So the unions call them scabs and want to stop them getting a job for their own good?

Can you explain why you think it is fair to deny one person a job they want to do so that another can get paid more, and belittle and demean them in the process?

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Reply #5 - Oct 13^th, 2020 at 6:43pm

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2020 at 6:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2020 at 5:26pm:

[quote author=freediver link=1602571973/0#0 date=1602571973]Our resident unionist parrots (white knight, Gnads, Ye Grappler) have been throwing around this term, which does not sound very nice to me. Gnads likes to call them bludging scabs. But they all shy away of explaining what they mean with this term. So now is their chance to explain.

Why do you call your fellow Australians who are down on their luck at a given time, but who are willing and able to work and prepared to do a job that others consider beneath them in some way, a scab?

Because they are undermining what has been long fought for. Fair pay for job done, not exploitation of those 'down on their luck' who, if employed, would render those they replaced on the basis of prostitution, unemployed. And the eternal downward spiral is set in place.

China, here we come. No protection for workers.

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So the unions call them scabs and want to stop them getting a job for their own good?

No. The unions want to stop lower-paid people coming in and "re-setting" the wage bar lower for all future employees. This was explained clearly in the previous post.

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Can you explain why you think it is fair to deny one person a job they want to do so that another can get paid more?

Only if you first explain why it is fair and reasonable for employers to continually try and force wages down (rather than negotiate in good faith), by bringing in workers who will work for less.

This is where the concept of 357 Visas came from. Curry favour with the Business lobby, by allowing them to bring in people from low wage countries to work for comparative peanuts, and drive wages down.

Maybe it's just me, but you seem to be someone who is very good at asking questions...but not so hot when it comes to answering them.

Is it just me? (Cue another question, in lieu of an answer).

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Reply #7 - Oct 13^th, 2020 at 7:11pm

I am not in a union. I do not pay union dues. If I get fired from my job, I have Fair Work Australia to mediate any problems regarding my work conditions.

If someone walks off the job over a pay and conditions dispute and I walk into their job, it is tough luck for those who were not willing to work the pay and conditions. Not my problem.

Having watched some news footage of protesters abusing workers going to their job, I have to wonder how spoiled they are for what they think is fair pay and conditions.

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Reply #8 - Oct 13^th, 2020 at 7:32pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2020 at 5:26pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2020 at 4:52pm:

Our resident unionist parrots (white knight, Gnads, Ye Grappler) have been throwing around this term, which does not sound very nice to me. Gnads likes to call them bludging scabs. But they all shy away of explaining what they mean with this term. So now is their chance to explain.

Why do you call your fellow Australians who are down on their luck at a given time, but who are willing and able to work and prepared to do a job that others consider beneath them in some way, a scab?

Because they are undermining what has been long fought for. Fair pay for job done, not exploitation of those 'down on their luck' who, if employed, would render those they replaced on the basis of prostitution, unemployed. And the eternal downward spiral is set in place.

China, here we come. No protection for workers.

If they're not striking to retain current conditions but for increased pay when nobody is being undermined.

And didn't you once tell us the Indians who drive your cabs earn less than minimum wage after you take your cut?

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Reply #9 - Oct 13^th, 2020 at 8:38pm

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No. The unions want to stop lower-paid people coming in and "re-setting" the wage bar lower for all future employees. This was explained clearly in the previous post.

So the unions understand they are harming other people? I can never seem to get a clear answer on whether they accept or deny this reality. Are they as deluded as they make out, or just plain selfish?

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Only if you first explain why it is fair

Why does this influence your ability to explain why you think it is fair to deny one person a job they want to do so that another can get paid more?

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Having watched some news footage of protesters abusing workers going to their job, I have to wonder how spoiled they are for what they think is fair pay and conditions.

But are they really spoiled, or just deluded? Some appear to think they are doing these 'scabs' a favour if they can stop them getting a job.

And why do they so gleefully demean these unemployed people who actually want to work? The term seems far more appropriate for the unionists who would deny them a job just so they can take home a little bit more pay. And still no unionist has been able to tell me the meaning of scab.

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Reply #11 - Oct 13^th, 2020 at 9:09pm

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2020 at 8:38pm:

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No. The unions want to stop lower-paid people coming in and "re-setting" the wage bar lower for all future employees. This was explained clearly in the previous post.

So the unions understand they are harming other people? I can never seem to get a clear answer on whether they accept or deny this reality. Are they as deluded as they make out, or just plain selfish?

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Only if you first explain why it is fair

Why does this influence your ability to explain why you think it is fair to deny one person a job they want to do so that another can get paid more?

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Having watched some news footage of protesters abusing workers going to their job, I have to wonder how spoiled they are for what they think is fair pay and conditions.

But are they really spoiled, or just deluded? Some appear to think they are doing these 'scabs' a favour if they can stop them getting a job.

And why do they so gleefully demean these unemployed people who actually want to work? The term seems far more appropriate for the unionists who would deny them a job just so they can take home a little bit more pay. And still no unionist has been able to tell me the meaning of scab.

Strange thinking there - how is it 'harming' anyone to ensure that all workers are paid the same, rather than allowing outsiders to come in and accept lower wages, which is against the law?

In this country, unlike Faroffistania under the boot heel of Despot III and his cohorts - we have RULES.

You mean you, of all Australians, are the only one to not know that a scab is a low-life scum-sucking parasite prepared to harm others and their families and starve their children by offering to take a job at lower than required and honestly negotiated standards, thus reducing the bargaining power of every other worked regardless of skills, experience, and service to an organisation and creating a flow-on effect to all other negotiated and signed off on agreements on wages and conditions, thus destroying the fundamental underpinnings of this nation to suit a few filthy rich adventurist vultures who masquerade as business people these days?

Is that a good enough definition for you?

"fair to deny one person a job they want to do so that another can get paid more? "

Because in even raising the issue of 'being paid more' you are admitting that a scab will actively work to lower the agreed and signed off via Award or enterprise agreement rates of pay and conditions... as in certain other areas, fd - you have the shoe on the wrong foot. NOBODY is preventing willing workers coming on board to do a job at the agreed and signed off rates and conditions WHEN VACANCIES ARE AVAILABLE AND THE BOSSES DECIDE THAT - however - those who seek to come in and reduce those rates and conditions are seeking to stop others working so they can get a job, when the only ones preventing employment for the scab are the bosses who claim they run the show so efficiently.

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Reply #12 - Oct 13^th, 2020 at 9:13pm

Tomorrow FD you go to work and you and all your fellow workers decide to go on strike because its been years since you got a rise and the cost of living is leaving you behind.

So you all walk out and forma picket line outside your work asking for $x amount of dollars more a week to help keep up with the cost of living which now after a few years of no pay rise you and your fellow workers are starting to feel at home.

The next day you go to work to man the picket line and with police escort a group of workers not from your place of work have been brought in at half the price to do the job you are doing to feed your family.

What would you call these people..............

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Reply #13 - Oct 13^th, 2020 at 9:37pm

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Strange thinking there - how is it 'harming' anyone to ensure that all workers are paid the same

That's not what happens. You are an example of the deluded unionist. The people who are unemployed because of the actions of unions get paid less. Do you really think the unemployed person you belittle as a scab is benefiting from the union?

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rather than allowing outsiders to come in and accept lower wages, which is against the law?

Are you conflating unions and minimum wages?

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You mean you, of all Australians, are the only one to not know that a scab is a low-life scum-sucking parasite

There we go. You may be deluded. But you are honest. Can you explain how wanting a job makes them a parasite?

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prepared to harm others and their families and starve their children

Starve whose children? The guy who cannot get a job because of the unions, or the unionist who thinks it is worth denying him a job to take home a little bit more pay?

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at lower than required and honestly negotiated standards

Why is a 'scab' unable to honestly negotiate his own standards?

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and service to an organisation and creating a flow-on effect to all other negotiated and signed off on agreements

This is the delusion kicking back in. The flow-on effect is unemployment.

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thus destroying the fundamental underpinnings of this nation

What are you on about here?

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to suit a few filthy rich adventurist vultures who masquerade as business people these days?

To suit the man you call a scab who is unemployed because of the unions.

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Because in even raising the issue of 'being paid more' you are admitting that a scab will actively work to lower the agreed and signed off via Award

He doesn't give a bugger about your delusions. He wants a job. Nothing more.

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Tomorrow FD you go to work and you and all your fellow workers decide to go on strike because its been years since you got a rise and the cost of living is leaving you behind.

So you all walk out and forma picket line outside your work asking for $x amount of dollars more a week to help keep up with the cost of living which now after a few years of no pay rise you and your fellow workers are starting to feel at home.

The next day you go to work to man the picket line and with police escort a group of workers not from your place of work have been brought in at half the price to do the job you are doing to feed your family.

What would you call these people..............

They are my fellow Australians. Honest. Hard working. Deserving of a job. Capable of thinking for themselves and negotiating on their own behalf.

What do you call them? And why do you think your greed gives you the right to deny him what he wants?

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Reply #14 - Oct 14^th, 2020 at 12:42am

I canna' reason with the mon.... he's nae ears to think with...

WHAT people are unemployed because of the actions of Unions? Roll Eyes

You yourself said the scabs come in to try to scalp the jobs at a lower rate... so it's not the Unions making people in that situation unemployed, is it? It's the bosses... al you want to do is replace workers operating on a signed agreement with people who are prepared to accept less without having a valid agreement that abides by the rules. So throwing people working on a signed agreement out and replacing them with people who accept no agreement or an illegal agreement is NOT rendering people unemployed?

Where did all your Unionists go then?

Even St John Of The Right Howard stipulated that under no circumstances could or would an 'enterprise agreement' reduce wages lower than Award.... but of course his plan was to open the door for that very thing, as clearly demonstrated by your posts.

Cor Jayzuz!

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