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Re: The death of the manual transmission
Reply #15 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 12:56pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 9^th, 2020 at 8:18pm:

I've always owned only manual cars.
I don't see the point of an auto other than being lazy.

Automatics are so much more relaxing, especially during Summer heat. Why row your way through traffic? Roll Eyes

The only saving grace of a manual is if you get stuck on a railway crossing ... at least you can bung it in 1st and use the starter motor to get off the crossing.

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Reply #16 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 1:20pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 12:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 9^th, 2020 at 8:18pm:

I've always owned only manual cars.
I don't see the point of an auto other than being lazy.

Automatics are so much more relaxing, especially during Summer heat. Why row your way through traffic? Roll Eyes

The only saving grace of a manual is if you get stuck on a railway crossing ... at least you can bung it in 1st and use the starter motor to get off the crossing.

I like to drive my car, not let the car drive me.
I can choose the gear I want depending on the situation.
I feel far more in control when I have a manual.

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Reply #17 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 5:09pm

Travelling around NZ in a Camper (Fiat top of the range). I found that driving 'manual' saved thousands in $$$ Fuel costs. But Auto was far easier to use when in the Cities and high density traffic. It was Dual so that was great.

Working at Toyota the Mechanics would 'fix' the Manual Gear Boxes while the Auto's they replaced fully - which cost way more for the Owner.

Manual is good for those who 'love to drive'. While Auto's are really for people who consider their cars just a means to an end. I self taught myself to drive Manual in a 1967 slant Dodge 16 footer. No power steering and a shotty 1st gear. Would fish-tail right out if having to break suddenly on a wet road.

These 'electronic' engine cars are just a 'costly' gimmick.
They don't make their money on Manuals anymore - they want people to spend more. Electronic cars fail more in the extreme heat outback more than Manual-Mechanical vehicles.

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Reply #18 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 5:30pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 5:09pm:

Travelling around NZ in a Camper (Fiat top of the range). I found that driving 'manual' saved thousands in $$$ Fuel costs. But Auto was far easier to use when in the Cities and high density traffic. It was Dual so that was great.

Working at Toyota the Mechanics would 'fix' the Manual Gear Boxes while the Auto's they replaced fully - which cost way more for the Owner.

Manual is good for those who 'love to drive'. While Auto's are really for people who consider their cars just a means to an end. I self taught myself to drive Manual in a 1967 slant Dodge 16 footer. No power steering and a shotty 1st gear. Would fish-tail right out if having to break suddenly on a wet road.

These 'electronic' engine cars are just a 'costly' gimmick.
They don't make their money on Manuals anymore - they want people to spend more. Electronic cars fail more in the extreme heat outback more than Manual-Mechanical vehicles.

' .......... I found that driving 'manual' saved thousands in $$$ Fuel costs. ..........'

Do you mean to drive an auto as though it were a manual when appropriate?
eg, lock it into a low gear when going up or down hills?

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Reply #19 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 6:06pm

We compared our fuel cost to kms with other Campers who were in Autos only Campers during our lengthy trip. Catching up with many in the popular Camper Parks that some are better than the Sydney Hilton and Hyatt. As I mostly drove the Camper manual and only flicked to auto in congested traffic conditions/parking. Driving in Dunedin was madness. Manuals use less fuel as Autos always 'over-rev' conservatively by 1000rpms. Even on open flat road - manual uses less fuel.

With a Manual - I always feel more in control of the vehicle.
I don't trust 'electronic' intervention. I've seen those sensors on cars fail often. People putting faith in that, rather than actually cautiously looking for themselves.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission
Reply #21 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 6:11pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 5:09pm:

I self taught myself to drive Manual in a 1967 slant Dodge 16 footer. No power steering and a shotty 1st gear.

Sounds like the Austin 1800 I learnt to drive on or, although it may not count as learning, as I wasn't old enough to drive on the road at the time, a 1949 Jowett Javelin.

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Reply #22 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 6:12pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 6:06pm:

We compared our fuel cost to kms with other Campers who were in Autos only Campers during our lengthy trip. Catching up with many in the popular Camper Parks that some are better than the Sydney Hilton and Hyatt. As I mostly drove the Camper manual and only flicked to auto in congested traffic conditions/parking. Driving in Dunedin was madness. Manuals use less fuel as Autos always 'over-rev' conservatively by 1000rpms. Even on open flat road - manual uses less fuel.

With a Manual - I always feel more in control of the vehicle.
I don't trust 'electronic' intervention. I've seen those sensors on cars fail often. People putting faith in that, rather than actually cautiously looking for themselves.

Thanks.
that leads to a topic on how to drive autos.
I drive them quite unlike most other people.
I often drive them in a manual mode to keep the revs up.
The motor operates over a wider rev range.
It means there is good engine braking, the auto's torque converter is locked up. I have no 'auto slippage.'

Autos use more fuel when they are changing gears or in the 'slipping' mode of operation.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission
Reply #23 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 6:19pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 6:06pm:

Manuals use less fuel as Autos always 'over-rev' conservatively by 1000rpms. Even on open flat road - manual uses less fuel.

Garbage. This is only true of the older style of automatic transmissions. Present day automatic transmissions can change gears more efficiently even than the best driver, and save on fuel in the process.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission
Reply #24 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 7:13pm

Wolseley wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 6:19pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 6:06pm:

Manuals use less fuel as Autos always 'over-rev' conservatively by 1000rpms. Even on open flat road - manual uses less fuel.

Garbage. This is only true of the older style of automatic transmissions. Present day automatic transmissions can change gears more efficiently even than the best driver, and save on fuel in the process.

An auto transmission can't be as a efficient as a direct
gear connected drive.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission
Reply #25 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 7:43pm

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The Aston Martin DBS Superleggera. The Toyota Supra. The Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio. The BMW M5. The Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk. The Rolls-Royce Phantom. Though these cars are all different, there's one thing they (and many other cars) have in common: ZF's 8HP eight-speed torque converter automatic transmission.

First introduced in 2008, ZF's eight-speed gearbox has come to occupy the transmission tunnels of countless new cars, from big American trucks to compact hatchbacks and ultra-luxurious grand tourers. In some cases, it's even replaced dual-clutch transmissions. ZF sold an astonishing 3.5 million units in 2017 alone, according to our colleagues at Car and Driver. How has the 8HP come to conquer the market? Well, it's very good at a lot of things............

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a27332349/why-so-many-carma...

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Re: The death of the manual transmission
Reply #26 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 7:45pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 7:13pm:

Wolseley wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 6:19pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 6:06pm:

Manuals use less fuel as Autos always 'over-rev' conservatively by 1000rpms. Even on open flat road - manual uses less fuel.

Garbage. This is only true of the older style of automatic transmissions. Present day automatic transmissions can change gears more efficiently even than the best driver, and save on fuel in the process.

An auto transmission can't be as a efficient as a direct
gear connected drive.

In theory, no.

In practise, they may be or the difference might be insignificant.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission
Reply #27 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 7:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 7:13pm:

Wolseley wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 6:19pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 6:06pm:

Manuals use less fuel as Autos always 'over-rev' conservatively by 1000rpms. Even on open flat road - manual uses less fuel.

Garbage. This is only true of the older style of automatic transmissions. Present day automatic transmissions can change gears more efficiently even than the best driver, and save on fuel in the process.

An auto transmission can't be as a efficient as a direct
gear connected drive.

You're thinking of an old school 3 speed slushbox. I drove a new 8 speed Kluger today, can hardly hear the engine and the transmission is in the perfect gear every moment. Lovely.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission
Reply #28 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 7:57pm

Gordon wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 7:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 7:13pm:

Wolseley wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 6:19pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 6:06pm:

Manuals use less fuel as Autos always 'over-rev' conservatively by 1000rpms. Even on open flat road - manual uses less fuel.

Garbage. This is only true of the older style of automatic transmissions. Present day automatic transmissions can change gears more efficiently even than the best driver, and save on fuel in the process.

An auto transmission can't be as a efficient as a direct
gear connected drive.

You're thinking of an old school 3 speed slushbox. I drove a new 8 speed Kluger today, can hardly hear the engine and the transmission is in the perfect gear every moment. Lovely.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 7:45pm:

In theory, no.

In practise, they may be or the difference might be insignificant.

I was referring to the fluid drive auto transmissions.
They don't connect via gears but they use hydraulic fluid.
Those auto transmissions get very hot and they
waste a lot of energy.

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