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Reply #30 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 7:16am
 
cods wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 6:47am:
whats wrong with that????....would you seriously be interested if every one followed the masters???......it would be like everyone driving the same car.......we don't all like the same thing....as it should be....one mans meat is another mans poison as the saying goes...

I don’t particularly care if talentless crap is put on display in a gallery. I might regard it as a form of artistic democracy gone mad but it’s no skin off my nose. I do however object to local gov’t authorities etc using my tax money to subsidise this stuff and put it out on public display. In my village there are a number of outdoor seats covered in mosaic etc I consider not only talentless but downright ugly. Why should my tax money be spent this way? OK, let the ‘artists’ try and sell their ‘wonderfull’ creations on the open market but please don’t force me to support crap.
Allowing everyone to have ’their creative moment in the sun’ may sound like a good idea but please don’t force me to pay for something I consider a pile of junk.
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Reply #31 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 8:13am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 8:33pm:
Ugly modernist concrete slabs (that is ALL modernists ever did) over natural waterfall.

Well, to vary that old saying “Ugliness is in the eye of the beholder”
You may however be interested to know you’re aesthetic judgement of Falling Water is very much in the minority.
Not so with minimalist crap such as Corbusier’s boxes.
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Maybe this is an appropriate time to raise a few issues.
1. We need to be aware that (more so than with today’s printed reproductions) images of art works as displayed on the web can exhibit huge differences in colouration, focus and definition. Not a good idea to judge them from any digital medium of uncertain veracity.
2. Even reproductions of artworks in expensive printed publications can lead you astray. I was unimpressed by all of Brett Whitely’s work thinking it cartoonish. Dragged along to an exhibition in Sydney I was utterly blown away by his fluid technique and emotional power.
3. Will we ever agree about a definition of something as subjective as ‘beauty’? OK, relatively objective judgements can be arrived at on technique and drawing skill etc but beyond that we’re in very subjective territory.


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Reply #32 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 8:49am
 
cods wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 6:47am:
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Inspiration. We have a local Art Society that has a permanent gallery with around 100 paintings. None of them show any talent. What they seem to say is, "I need a hobby, I think I'll try painting."






whats wrong with that????....would you seriously be interested if every one followed the masters???......it would be like everyone driving the same car.......we dont all like the same thing....as it should be....one mans meat is another mans poison as the saying goes...


No, Cods. You don't understand. They are not just being different. I don't want them to follow masters or anyone else. I am pointing out that these people of the local society have no talent and are uninspired. Their work is awkward as something from aged-care art class.


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Reply #33 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 9:32am
 
Going back to Frank's OP and seascapes. I am not laying down the law, but here's my take, and it applies to painting in general.

Seascape 001 is what I would call an "Illustration." Good technique and a lot of work, but stiff and demanding of the viewer.


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Seascape 002 is not my favourite painting in the whole world, OK? But it does allow the viewer to do some of the work, and by doing so, it provides a more personal experience.


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Reply #34 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 9:55am
 
issuevoter wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 8:49am:
No, Cods. You don't understand. They are not just being different. I don't want them to follow masters or anyone else. I am pointing out that these people of the local society have no talent and are uninspired. Their work is awkward as something from aged-care art class.

Art can be therapy (even though many viewing such productions believe there’s nothing artistic about them). Art as a form of sermonising. Art produced for commercial gain (Andy Whorehole?). Art as - - the list could go on. Who however decides what is or isn’t ‘art’? When subjectivity is the main consideration even little Susie’s finger painting scribbles are proudly mounted on the family fridge as demonstrating her ‘artistic flair’ 
My view is there’s no harm in encouraging the talentless to dabble in painting or whatever so long as we don’t bullshit them into believing they could make a living out of their doodles. But then again look at some of Picasso’s late period doodles?
It’s a very weird market out there, especially if the artist attends the right cocktail parties.

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Reply #35 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 10:37am
 
If you are going to talk about Art, the first thing you have to do is drop the humility. It just another cliche.
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Reply #36 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 11:17am
 
I would like to run for an Art Board Modship with a slant towards political Art (as there are many forms of Art, like the type involved in Music - where once again, the 'Visual' meets the 'Sound' of Singing as well as Talking).

I would highlight the need to understand the difference between Pro-Political Art and Anti-Political Art as well. I think it would be useful to acknowledge.

I would also like to include a Cosmic-Art interpretation of the universe (not necessarily needing to be based on 'scientific' interpretation) among other genres.

I  would Topical European, Asian, North American and other's ART styles culturally. The difference is useful to see and this is why Historic European places with much Art display for Tourists use 'American' abstract Art to make it look even more sophisticated and grandeuristic. Placing such an American form of Art in a room of prestigious historical Art creates another form of seeing things.

But is European Art stuck in the past? The Golden Eras of the likes of St Petersburg, the Gothic, the Renaissance, etc.
America stuck in the youthful 'Disney' like innocence of abstract and simple.

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Reply #37 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 11:49am
 
Could be an interesting area to explore but it’s not one that gives me much joy in analysing. There’s also the problem of deciding what is, or isn’t ‘political art’. Some would claim images from a vast range are political but hey, if you want to be the moderator of such things you’re welcome.

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Reply #38 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 11:53am
 
But is it art?
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Reply #39 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 12:07pm
 
A 'Flag' is a Political/Art merge.

Here's something very Australian.
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Reply #40 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 12:17pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 8:49am:
cods wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 6:47am:
issuevoter wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 6:40am:
Inspiration. We have a local Art Society that has a permanent gallery with around 100 paintings. None of them show any talent. What they seem to say is, "I need a hobby, I think I'll try painting."






whats wrong with that????....would you seriously be interested if every one followed the masters???......it would be like everyone driving the same car.......we dont all like the same thing....as it should be....one mans meat is another mans poison as the saying goes...


No, Cods. You don't understand. They are not just being different. I don't want them to follow masters or anyone else. I am pointing out that these people of the local society have no talent and are uninspired. Their work is awkward as something from aged-care art class.



That's what most British and Americans think of Australian Politics.  Grin

Every Industry, despite its power - has a population of poor and talentless humble beginnings.
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Reply #41 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 1:44pm
 
Jasin wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 11:17am:
But is European Art stuck in the past? The Golden Eras of the likes of St Petersburg, the Gothic, the Renaissance, etc.
America stuck in the youthful 'Disney' like innocence of abstract and simple.



Stuck in the past? You can look at it like that. I don't. I think we have arrived at a point in History where Art and Music cannot help being derivative. And anyway, it doesn't matter. A creative person will do what they are driven to do, whatever it is. The worst thing they could do is fixate on being original.

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Reply #42 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 5:47pm
 
Here’s one for all you hetro males who dream about ‘converting’ dykes to the ‘real thing’. To my eyes it’s very badly constructed in that these two dont’ exactly look comfortable.
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Reply #43 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 6:13pm
 
Look at Courbet's L'Origine du monde and be ashamed of your perversity.

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Reply #44 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 7:49pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 6:13pm:
Look at Courbet's L'Origine du monde and be ashamed of your perversity.


I'm well acquainted with Courbet’s L’Origine du Monde and see no reason to be ashamed of my so called perversity. In fact I can see no connection between it and my so called ‘perversity’. Do explain.
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