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Re: Paintings
Reply #180 - Jan 25^th, 2021 at 10:21pm

Paintings in Proust: A Visual Companion to In Search of Lost Time
by Eric Karpeles (Editor)
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A la recherche du temps perdu by Marcel Proust is one of the most profoundly visual works in Western literature. Not only are there frequent references to specific works of art, but certain characters are also evoked by comparison to particular paintings. Bloch’s appearance as a boy is likened to the portrait of Mehmet II by Gentile Bellini; Odette de Crécy strikes Swann by her resemblance to a figure in a Botticelli fresco. Even the lesser figure of a certain Mme. Blattin becomes the subject of Proustian mischief by being described as “exactly the portrait of Savonarola by Fra Bartolomeo.” Eric Karpeles has identified and located the many paintings to which Proust makes reference and sets them alongside the relevant text from the novel; in other cases, where only a painter’s name is mentioned to indicate a certain style or appearance, Karpeles has chosen a representative work to illustrate the impression that Proust sought to evoke.

With some 200 paintings beautifully reproduced in full color and texts drawn from the Moncrieff/Kilmartin/Enright translation, as well as concise commentaries on the evolving narrative, this book is an essential addition to the libraries of Proustians everywhere. The book also includes an authoritative introduction and a comprehensive index of artists and paintings mentioned in the novel.

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Re: Paintings
Reply #181 - Jan 26^th, 2021 at 4:26am

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2021 at 10:21pm:

Paintings in Proust: A Visual Companion to In Search of Lost Time
by Eric Karpeles (Editor)
4.34 · Rating details · 749 ratings · 58 reviews
A la recherche du temps perdu by Marcel Proust is one of the most profoundly visual works in Western literature. Not only are there frequent references to specific works of art, but certain characters are also evoked by comparison to particular paintings. Bloch’s appearance as a boy is likened to the portrait of Mehmet II by Gentile Bellini; Odette de Crécy strikes Swann by her resemblance to a figure in a Botticelli fresco. Even the lesser figure of a certain Mme. Blattin becomes the subject of Proustian mischief by being described as “exactly the portrait of Savonarola by Fra Bartolomeo.” Eric Karpeles has identified and located the many paintings to which Proust makes reference and sets them alongside the relevant text from the novel; in other cases, where only a painter’s name is mentioned to indicate a certain style or appearance, Karpeles has chosen a representative work to illustrate the impression that Proust sought to evoke.

With some 200 paintings beautifully reproduced in full color and texts drawn from the Moncrieff/Kilmartin/Enright translation, as well as concise commentaries on the evolving narrative, this book is an essential addition to the libraries of Proustians everywhere. The book also includes an authoritative introduction and a comprehensive index of artists and paintings mentioned in the novel.

Whoever wrote that is more creative than all those painters combined.

they probably write wine labels too.

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Re: Paintings
Reply #182 - Jan 26^th, 2021 at 7:15am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 4:26am:

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2021 at 10:21pm:

Paintings in Proust: A Visual Companion to In Search of Lost Time
by Eric Karpeles (Editor)
4.34 · Rating details · 749 ratings · 58 reviews
A la recherche du temps perdu by Marcel Proust is one of the most profoundly visual works in Western literature. Not only are there frequent references to specific works of art, but certain characters are also evoked by comparison to particular paintings. Bloch’s appearance as a boy is likened to the portrait of Mehmet II by Gentile Bellini; Odette de Crécy strikes Swann by her resemblance to a figure in a Botticelli fresco. Even the lesser figure of a certain Mme. Blattin becomes the subject of Proustian mischief by being described as “exactly the portrait of Savonarola by Fra Bartolomeo.” Eric Karpeles has identified and located the many paintings to which Proust makes reference and sets them alongside the relevant text from the novel; in other cases, where only a painter’s name is mentioned to indicate a certain style or appearance, Karpeles has chosen a representative work to illustrate the impression that Proust sought to evoke.

With some 200 paintings beautifully reproduced in full color and texts drawn from the Moncrieff/Kilmartin/Enright translation, as well as concise commentaries on the evolving narrative, this book is an essential addition to the libraries of Proustians everywhere. The book also includes an authoritative introduction and a comprehensive index of artists and paintings mentioned in the novel.

Whoever wrote that is more creative than all those painters combined.

they probably write wine labels too.

Has me wondering what qualifications does one require to be termed a ‘Proustian’?

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Reply #183 - Jan 26^th, 2021 at 3:59pm

Artist’s portraits of other artists have always fascinated me. Sometimes they’re more honest about their subject than usual.
This one is for sale at the moment. Any rich forum members with exquisite taste (like mine) can grab a bargain.https://www.paintinghere.com/painting/louise_breslau_the_sculptor_jean_carries_in_his_atelier_19783.html

Louise Breslau: The Sculptor Jean Carries in his Atelier.

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Reply #184 - Jan 26^th, 2021 at 8:29pm

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 7:15am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 4:26am:

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2021 at 10:21pm:

Paintings in Proust: A Visual Companion to In Search of Lost Time
by Eric Karpeles (Editor)
4.34 · Rating details · 749 ratings · 58 reviews
A la recherche du temps perdu by Marcel Proust is one of the most profoundly visual works in Western literature. Not only are there frequent references to specific works of art, but certain characters are also evoked by comparison to particular paintings. Bloch’s appearance as a boy is likened to the portrait of Mehmet II by Gentile Bellini; Odette de Crécy strikes Swann by her resemblance to a figure in a Botticelli fresco. Even the lesser figure of a certain Mme. Blattin becomes the subject of Proustian mischief by being described as “exactly the portrait of Savonarola by Fra Bartolomeo.” Eric Karpeles has identified and located the many paintings to which Proust makes reference and sets them alongside the relevant text from the novel; in other cases, where only a painter’s name is mentioned to indicate a certain style or appearance, Karpeles has chosen a representative work to illustrate the impression that Proust sought to evoke.

With some 200 paintings beautifully reproduced in full color and texts drawn from the Moncrieff/Kilmartin/Enright translation, as well as concise commentaries on the evolving narrative, this book is an essential addition to the libraries of Proustians everywhere. The book also includes an authoritative introduction and a comprehensive index of artists and paintings mentioned in the novel.

Whoever wrote that is more creative than all those painters combined.

they probably write wine labels too.

Has me wondering what qualifications does one require to be termed a ‘Proustian’?

Sprint, good to see that your literary horizons go all the way out to wine labels.

Groucho Marx- whoever said anything about requirements for being a Proustian? What are the qualifications/ requirements for asking such stupid questions? Mebbe reading things you don't know about would be a start. Am I too didactic?
You mentioned the trope of recignising people in paintings. I gave you a reference to a book about it.

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Re: Paintings
Reply #185 - Jan 26^th, 2021 at 8:41pm

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 8:29pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 7:15am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 4:26am:

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2021 at 10:21pm:

Paintings in Proust: A Visual Companion to In Search of Lost Time
by Eric Karpeles (Editor)
4.34 · Rating details · 749 ratings · 58 reviews
A la recherche du temps perdu by Marcel Proust is one of the most profoundly visual works in Western literature. Not only are there frequent references to specific works of art, but certain characters are also evoked by comparison to particular paintings. Bloch’s appearance as a boy is likened to the portrait of Mehmet II by Gentile Bellini; Odette de Crécy strikes Swann by her resemblance to a figure in a Botticelli fresco. Even the lesser figure of a certain Mme. Blattin becomes the subject of Proustian mischief by being described as “exactly the portrait of Savonarola by Fra Bartolomeo.” Eric Karpeles has identified and located the many paintings to which Proust makes reference and sets them alongside the relevant text from the novel; in other cases, where only a painter’s name is mentioned to indicate a certain style or appearance, Karpeles has chosen a representative work to illustrate the impression that Proust sought to evoke.

With some 200 paintings beautifully reproduced in full color and texts drawn from the Moncrieff/Kilmartin/Enright translation, as well as concise commentaries on the evolving narrative, this book is an essential addition to the libraries of Proustians everywhere. The book also includes an authoritative introduction and a comprehensive index of artists and paintings mentioned in the novel.

Whoever wrote that is more creative than all those painters combined.

they probably write wine labels too.

Has me wondering what qualifications does one require to be termed a ‘Proustian’?

Sprint, good to see that your literary horizons go all the way out to wine labels.

Groucho Marx- whoever said anything about requirements for being a Proustian? What are the qualifications/ requirements for asking such stupid questions? Mebbe reading things you don't know about would be a start. Am I too didactic?
You mentioned the trope of recignising people in paintings. I gave you a reference to a book about it.

This is what I meant by creative wine labels

Quote:

........... 1. …this texturally silken, supremely elegant effort transparently and kaleidoscopically combines moss, wet stone, gentian, buddleia, coriander, pepper, piquant yet rich nut oils and a saline clam broth savor that milks the salivary glands. But besides this impressive array of non-fruity components, white peach and lemon deliver abundant primary juiciness and animating tang, rendering the finish as invigorating and refreshing as it is vibrant, mouthwatering and dynamically complex…. ...............

https://www.undergroundwineletter.com/2018/03/2017-stupid-wine-description-winne...

I'ld buy the wine for the label - I don't like wine but admire such ........... 'artistry'.

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Re: Paintings
Reply #186 - Jan 26^th, 2021 at 8:51pm

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 8:29pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 7:15am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 4:26am:

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2021 at 10:21pm:

Paintings in Proust: A Visual Companion to In Search of Lost Time
by Eric Karpeles (Editor)
4.34 · Rating details · 749 ratings · 58 reviews
A la recherche du temps perdu by Marcel Proust is one of the most profoundly visual works in Western literature. Not only are there frequent references to specific works of art, but certain characters are also evoked by comparison to particular paintings. Bloch’s appearance as a boy is likened to the portrait of Mehmet II by Gentile Bellini; Odette de Crécy strikes Swann by her resemblance to a figure in a Botticelli fresco. Even the lesser figure of a certain Mme. Blattin becomes the subject of Proustian mischief by being described as “exactly the portrait of Savonarola by Fra Bartolomeo.” Eric Karpeles has identified and located the many paintings to which Proust makes reference and sets them alongside the relevant text from the novel; in other cases, where only a painter’s name is mentioned to indicate a certain style or appearance, Karpeles has chosen a representative work to illustrate the impression that Proust sought to evoke.

With some 200 paintings beautifully reproduced in full color and texts drawn from the Moncrieff/Kilmartin/Enright translation, as well as concise commentaries on the evolving narrative, this book is an essential addition to the libraries of Proustians everywhere. The book also includes an authoritative introduction and a comprehensive index of artists and paintings mentioned in the novel.

Whoever wrote that is more creative than all those painters combined.

they probably write wine labels too.

Has me wondering what qualifications does one require to be termed a ‘Proustian’?

Sprint, good to see that your literary horizons go all the way out to wine labels.

Groucho Marx- whoever said anything about requirements for being a Proustian? What are the qualifications/ requirements for asking such stupid questions? Mebbe reading things you don't know about would be a start. Am I too didactic?
You mentioned the trope of recignising people in paintings. I gave you a reference to a book about it.

I get tired of the pointless antagonism forums of this kind appear to specialise in.
As to reading ’things I don’t know about’ my fervent hope is I never run out of things to read I don’t know about .
Although i confess to not thoroughly having read all of Proust I am familiar with his In Search of Lost Time and his Les plaisirs et les jours . However, these left me wondering how he could be so closeted as to fight a duel with a man who accused him of being gay.
As you suggest, I’m fully qualified to ask stupid questions so I still want to know what it means to be a ‘Proustian’.

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Reply #187 - Jan 26^th, 2021 at 9:31pm

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 8:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 8:29pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 7:15am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 4:26am:

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2021 at 10:21pm:

Paintings in Proust: A Visual Companion to In Search of Lost Time
by Eric Karpeles (Editor)
4.34 · Rating details · 749 ratings · 58 reviews
A la recherche du temps perdu by Marcel Proust is one of the most profoundly visual works in Western literature. Not only are there frequent references to specific works of art, but certain characters are also evoked by comparison to particular paintings. Bloch’s appearance as a boy is likened to the portrait of Mehmet II by Gentile Bellini; Odette de Crécy strikes Swann by her resemblance to a figure in a Botticelli fresco. Even the lesser figure of a certain Mme. Blattin becomes the subject of Proustian mischief by being described as “exactly the portrait of Savonarola by Fra Bartolomeo.” Eric Karpeles has identified and located the many paintings to which Proust makes reference and sets them alongside the relevant text from the novel; in other cases, where only a painter’s name is mentioned to indicate a certain style or appearance, Karpeles has chosen a representative work to illustrate the impression that Proust sought to evoke.

With some 200 paintings beautifully reproduced in full color and texts drawn from the Moncrieff/Kilmartin/Enright translation, as well as concise commentaries on the evolving narrative, this book is an essential addition to the libraries of Proustians everywhere. The book also includes an authoritative introduction and a comprehensive index of artists and paintings mentioned in the novel.

Whoever wrote that is more creative than all those painters combined.

they probably write wine labels too.

Has me wondering what qualifications does one require to be termed a ‘Proustian’?

Sprint, good to see that your literary horizons go all the way out to wine labels.

Groucho Marx- whoever said anything about requirements for being a Proustian? What are the qualifications/ requirements for asking such stupid questions? Mebbe reading things you don't know about would be a start. Am I too didactic?
You mentioned the trope of recignising people in paintings. I gave you a reference to a book about it.

I get tired of the pointless antagonism forums of this kind appear to specialise in.
As to reading ’things I don’t know about’ my fervent hope is I never run out of things to read I don’t know about .
Although i confess to not thoroughly having read all of Proust I am familiar with his In Search of Lost Time and his Les plaisirs et les jours . However, these left me wondering how he could be so closeted as to fight a duel with a man who accused him of being gay.
As you suggest, I’m fully qualified to ask stupid questions so I still want to know what it means to be a ‘Proustian’.

Er... look it up, bozo, and wonder no more.

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Reply #188 - Jan 27^th, 2021 at 8:49am

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 9:31pm:

Er... look it up, bozo, and wonder no more.

Proustian
/ˈpruːstɪən/
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adjective: Proustian
relating to or characteristic of the French writer Marcel Proust or his works, particularly with reference to the recovery of the lost past and the stimulation of unconscious memory.

So, how do we distinguish this from ‘Freudian’?

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Reply #189 - Jan 27^th, 2021 at 8:51pm

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 27^th, 2021 at 8:49am:

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 9:31pm:

Er... look it up, bozo, and wonder no more.

Proustian
/ˈpruːstɪən/
adjective
adjective: Proustian
relating to or characteristic of the French writer Marcel Proust or his works, particularly with reference to the recovery of the lost past and the stimulation of unconscious memory.

So, how do we distinguish this from ‘Freudian’?

Too late for you, pal, you will never know. (Not that you are REALLY interested).

I can't provide a royal road to the unlettered because there isn't one. If you haven't read Proust or Freud but ask for the difference between them then you are either an innocent 14 year old, or you are, well, you - an old man who can't find his way around ideas after a lifetime of not really reading what you are now pretending to be asking about.

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Reply #190 - Jan 28^th, 2021 at 9:32am

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2021 at 8:51pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 27^th, 2021 at 8:49am:

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 9:31pm:

Er... look it up, bozo, and wonder no more.

Proustian
/ˈpruːstɪən/
adjective
adjective: Proustian
relating to or characteristic of the French writer Marcel Proust or his works, particularly with reference to the recovery of the lost past and the stimulation of unconscious memory.

So, how do we distinguish this from ‘Freudian’?

Too late for you, pal, you will never know. (Not that you are REALLY interested).

I can't provide a royal road to the unlettered because there isn't one. If you haven't read Proust or Freud but ask for the difference between them then you are either an innocent 14 year old, or you are, well, you - an old man who can't find his way around ideas after a lifetime of not really reading what you are now pretending to be asking about.

I gave up reading both Freud and Proust a long time ago. As far as I’m concerned neither of them could think their way out of a wet, brown paper bag.
As to ‘unlettered’ why haven’t you listed your qualifications? Maybe, like so many degrees of the last several decades, especially those in the ‘arts' they aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on?

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Reply #191 - Jan 29^th, 2021 at 9:09am

On ABC TV last night was a documentary about Sidney Nolan.
I must say I’m not a big fan of his style... yet until recent, one of his paintings fetched a record $5mil... highest in Australian art industry... until this one recently fetched an even higher figure... mainly because the hefty buyers premium bs at auctions pushing up the value.
I’m not sure I’m a fan of this type of painting style either!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-26/brett-whiteley-auction-sets-new-record-he...

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Reply #192 - Jan 29^th, 2021 at 3:05pm

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 28^th, 2021 at 9:32am:

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2021 at 8:51pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 27^th, 2021 at 8:49am:

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 9:31pm:

Er... look it up, bozo, and wonder no more.

Proustian
/ˈpruːstɪən/
adjective
adjective: Proustian
relating to or characteristic of the French writer Marcel Proust or his works, particularly with reference to the recovery of the lost past and the stimulation of unconscious memory.

So, how do we distinguish this from ‘Freudian’?

Too late for you, pal, you will never know. (Not that you are REALLY interested).

I can't provide a royal road to the unlettered because there isn't one. If you haven't read Proust or Freud but ask for the difference between them then you are either an innocent 14 year old, or you are, well, you - an old man who can't find his way around ideas after a lifetime of not really reading what you are now pretending to be asking about.

I gave up reading both Freud and Proust a long time ago. As far as I’m concerned neither of them could think their way out of a wet, brown paper bag.

I think it was more like they gave up on you, pal. It wouldn't have been hard for them, seeing that you are a cloth-eared nincompoop who talks in clichés and mixed metaphors.

Proust has many brilliant passages on art and music. One of the best known ones is Bergotte's dying meditation on Vermeer's View of Delft and its little patch of yellow wall.
https://thebookbindersdaughter.com/2019/10/14/the-little-patch-of-yellow-wall-pr...

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Sophia Gold Member Offline Posts: 9131	Re: Paintings Reply #193 - Jan 29^th, 2021 at 3:43pm I have a Kevin Best limited print “The favourite spot” in a large frame. I’m trying to find it online, I find those types of paintings peaceful to look at. A feeling of isolation amongst the gum trees, a creek, and quiet. All all I find online was this one that’s similar https://images.app.goo.gl/o7K16dE9Srd6L8q4A
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