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Spiritual or physical?
Sep 28^th, 2020 at 6:22pm

Yusuf Islam/Cat Stevens recounts how he converted to Islam and became a victim SEP 27, 2020.

a few inconvenient facts. One is that as recently as 2010, there was published on YouTube a nasheed in which the author of “Peace Train” sang: “I’m praying to Allah to give us victory over the kuffar” (unbelievers).

This bellicose prayer was in line with Yusuf Islam’s earlier post-conversion behavior. In 1989, he enthusiastically endorsed the Ayatollah Khomeini’s death fatwa against Salman Rushdie for insulting Islam. In a BBC panel discussion, he said that, rather than burning Rushdie in effigy, “I would have hoped that it’d be the real thing.” He further explained that if he were in an Islamic state and was ordered by the relevant authority to kill Rushdie, he would do so.

Typical, become a muslim then automatically become a torturer and murderer.

islam is pure evil, it is not about overcoming spiritual evil as most if not all other beliefs are.

Other beliefs all concentrate on defeating the spirit of evil, commonly called satan, what does islam concentrate on?

Overcoming and killing people.

islam is an ideology of muslim supremacy, rape torture and slaughter of the non believers.

That is why muslims are the world wide problem they are today.

muslims have been brainwashed from birth, that killing and being killed in the cause of allah is the highest path a muslim can follow.

Other beliefs all are about overwhelming evil with righteousness, that is why we do not have religious terrorists other than islamic terrorism.

Sure, some people love to try and pin the word terrorist on false Christians who are disobeying Christian doctrine.

People who commit atrocities are disobeying the teachings of Christ.

muslims who commit human rights atrocities, are following the qur'an to the very letter.

Until we be honest about what the teachings of islam actually are, we are always going to have muslims who 100% believe they are following the dictates of allah and are doing no wrong, when they rape, torture and slaughter innocent non believers.

islam is not about spiritual righteousness and overcoming spiritual evil , it is about overcoming people and ruling them with the satanical ideals of islam.

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Reply #2 - Sep 29^th, 2020 at 6:05pm

Can you expand Jasin?

Speaking about 3 monotheisms, one, islam is a fake, it's merely a reinvented pagan moon god allah, with some very poorly plagiarized writings of the Hebrews and the Christians.

My point is that islam concentrates on the physical control of any non muslims as being the sacred duty of muslims.

The other two seem to be more in keeping with spiritual devotion to a Spirit of Righteousness, the aim is to overcome spiritual evil often referred to as satan.

The N.T. writings actually tell the Christians that the kingdom of God is within themselves, that they should worship God in spirit and truth.

Judaeo - Christian and islamic doctrines are the antithesis of each other.

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Reply #3 - Sep 29^th, 2020 at 7:25pm

'Spiritual or physical?' [ISLAM]

IMO, ungodly, and SATANIC.

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ISLAM's plan, for achieving worldwide 'peace' was detailed, by Osama Bin Laden...
BEING....
In his advice to the real moslem, on how to be 'rightly guided' in your worldly relationships with infidels.

BEING....

"Whenever you have that opportunity.....Fight and kill the infidels, until they submit."

Quote:

"As to the relationship between Muslims and infidels, this is summarized by the Most High's Word:
‘We renounce you.
Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us -- till you believe in Allah alone’ [Koran 60:4].
So there is an enmity, evidenced by fierce hostility from the heart.
And this fierce hostility -- that is, battle -- ceases only if the infidel submits to the authority of Islam, or if his blood is forbidden from being shed [i.e., a dhimmi], or if Muslims are at that point in time weak and incapable [i.e., taqiyya].
But if the hate at any time extinguishes from the heart, this is great apostasy!
Such, then, is the basis and foundation of the relationship between the infidel and the Muslim.
Battle, animosity, and hatred -- directed from the Muslim to the infidel -- is the foundation of our religion.
And we consider this a justice and kindness to them" (from The Al Qaeda Reader).
.....It bears repeating that this hostile world view is well supported by all of Islam’s schools of jurisprudence."

n.b.
Osama Bin Laden advises that.....

Ceasing from his everlasting hatred of the disbeliever, would be for the moslem, revealing a great apostasy in his heart !

cited here, from.....

November 10, 2008
Raymond Ibrahim: "Islam's Doctrines of Deception"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/11/raymond-ibrahim-islams-doctrines-of-deception....

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"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

Koran 8:20-22
Koran 5:59-60
Koran 47:33-35

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

n.b.
According to the devout follower of ISLAM.....

All of unbelieving mankind, is cursed by ISLAM's deity, Allah.
[i.e. any person who rejects the primacy of ISLAMIC law, is cursed by Allah.]

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #4 - Sep 29^th, 2020 at 7:27pm

moses wrote on Sep 28^th, 2020 at 6:22pm:

Yusuf Islam/Cat Stevens recounts how he converted to Islam and became a victim SEP 27, 2020.

a few inconvenient facts. One is that as recently as 2010, there was published on YouTube a nasheed in which the author of “Peace Train” sang: “I’m praying to Allah to give us victory over the kuffar” (unbelievers).

This bellicose prayer was in line with Yusuf Islam’s earlier post-conversion behavior. In 1989, he enthusiastically endorsed the Ayatollah Khomeini’s death fatwa against Salman Rushdie for insulting Islam. In a BBC panel discussion, he said that, rather than burning Rushdie in effigy, “I would have hoped that it’d be the real thing.” He further explained that if he were in an Islamic state and was ordered by the relevant authority to kill Rushdie, he would do so.

Typical, become a muslim then automatically become a torturer and murderer.

islam is pure evil, it is not about overcoming spiritual evil as most if not all other beliefs are.

Other beliefs all concentrate on defeating the spirit of evil, commonly called satan, what does islam concentrate on?

Overcoming and killing people.

islam is an ideology of muslim supremacy, rape torture and slaughter of the non believers.

That is why muslims are the world wide problem they are today.

muslims have been brainwashed from birth, that killing and being killed in the cause of allah is the highest path a muslim can follow.

Other beliefs all are about overwhelming evil with righteousness, that is why we do not have religious terrorists other than islamic terrorism.

Sure, some people love to try and pin the word terrorist on false Christians who are disobeying Christian doctrine.

People who commit atrocities are disobeying the teachings of Christ.

muslims who commit human rights atrocities, are following the qur'an to the very letter.

Until we be honest about what the teachings of islam actually are, we are always going to have muslims who 100% believe they are following the dictates of allah and are doing no wrong, when they rape, torture and slaughter innocent non believers.

islam is not about spiritual righteousness and overcoming spiritual evil , it is about overcoming people and ruling them with the satanical ideals of islam.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #5 - Oct 3^rd, 2020 at 11:59am

moses wrote on Sep 29^th, 2020 at 6:05pm:

Can you expand Jasin?

Speaking about 3 monotheisms, one, islam is a fake, it's merely a reinvented pagan moon god allah, with some very poorly plagiarized writings of the Hebrews and the Christians.

My point is that islam concentrates on the physical control of any non muslims as being the sacred duty of muslims.

The other two seem to be more in keeping with spiritual devotion to a Spirit of Righteousness, the aim is to overcome spiritual evil often referred to as satan.

No moses that's just tribalism. Every theist thinks there own religion is the only true and righteous one

moses wrote on Sep 29^th, 2020 at 6:05pm:

The N.T. writings actually tell the Christians that the kingdom of God is within themselves, that they should worship God in spirit and truth.

Judaeo - Christian and islamic doctrines are the antithesis of each other.

You conveniently ignore the old testament, which has some horrendous violence and genocide.
You also ignore the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Witch hunts, Conquistadors, IRA and the current neo conservative Christians who are quite happy to invade countries with "shock and awe"

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Reply #6 - Oct 3^rd, 2020 at 12:18pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2020 at 11:59am:

You conveniently ignore the old testament, which has some horrendous violence and genocide.

You also ignore the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Witch hunts, Conquistadors, IRA and the current neo conservative Christians who are quite happy to invade countries with "shock and awe"

Comparing ISLAM, and Jesus religion ?

By the account of ISLAMIC sources, ....Mohammed was a warlord, a murderer, and a 'collector' of female slaves.

By the account of the bible, Jesus was not any of those things.

In fact, by the account of the bible, Jesus healed sick people, and brought the dead, back to life.

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The 'horrendous' teachings from the Old Testament ?

So long as a stranger did not engage in oppressive or criminal behaviour, the stranger living among the ancient Hebrews, enjoyed the full protection of God's law.

The God of Israel commanded it.

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Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger:
for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:14
Thou shalt not oppress an hired servant that is poor and needy, whether he be of thy brethren, or of thy strangers that are in thy land within thy gates:

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...

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The 'horrendous' teachings from the Old Testament ?

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1598263348/10#10
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Jesus was a Jewish man, and a Torah [law] teacher.

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"Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother."
Matthew 19:16-19

The above [Matthew 19:16-19] were quoted by Jesus, directly from the book(s) of the law, the Torah,
Exodus 20:12-16
Deuteronomy 5:16-20

And including,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
From, Leviticus 19:18

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #7 - Oct 3^rd, 2020 at 5:55pm

The_Barnacle wrote:

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You conveniently ignore the old testament, which has some horrendous violence and genocide.
You also ignore the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Witch hunts, Conquistadors, IRA and the current neo conservative Christians who are quite happy to invade countries with "shock and awe"

Why do you conveniently ignore the fact that all those human rights atrocities were committed by men who were disobeying the teachings of Christ?

The facts are:

1/. Men who commit human rights atrocities are 100% disobeying the Word Of Christ, they are false Christians.

2/. muslims who commit human rights atrocities, are following the teachings of muhammad in the qur'an, to the very letter. The highest grade of muslims are those who slay and are slain in the cause of allah.

islam is a doctrine of muslim supremacy over the non muslims, muslims are to overcome the non muslims.

A doctrine of physical supremacy of muslims over non muslims.

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Reply #8 - Oct 9^th, 2020 at 6:07pm

Nigeria: Sharia police ban stylish haircuts, sagging trousers, playing of music at social events OCT 8, 2020

remember all the people who insisted that Sharia was completely compatible with Western secular values, and that anyone who thought otherwise was a racist, bigoted “Islamophobe”?

Hisbah recently made headlines for shaving stylish haircuts of young men in Kano, arresting people for improper dressing and seizing tricycle from riders for adorning them with pictures considered to be obscene and against the tenents [sic] of Islam…

Nothing about living together in peace and harmony.

muslims are the only people on this planet who do not get along with their neighbours.

Globally muslims are a problem.

It's the 21st century for goodness sake, if islam is so great, why aren't muslim countries Utopias of spiritual peace, harmony and togetherness?

They are the exact opposite, continuous bloodshed death and destruction.

muslims are a global refugee problem, they are the worlds' greatest terrorist threat, why?

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Reply #9 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 8:37am

Let me first explain away the Spiritual and Physical thing.

Boy is born from a Biological (physical) Father, but due maybe to being a middle-child or the father left the scene. The boy is raised by a Spiritual Father (God and its Religious representatives) who may just be a service station owner with a daughter called Joy. He might be the great Joseph Campbell or he may be a Cleaner of Public Toilets for the Council.

You can have a physical father, mental, spiritual and many more types of guiding fathers. You can even adopt an animal and make it your 'Spirit Guide' that allows you to win the game like a Tiger for Richmond AFL.

As for Religion.
Judaism is an 'older' Book that stories 'Youth' and the fall from the Garden.
Christianity like like Adult hood and the double-helix of male and female that become 'One'.
Mohommedism is the 'younger' Book that stories 'Old Age' and the rise back into the Garden.

In truth, to really understand the process of 'God' is to convert from each Religion. As a Boy, you are Jewish. As an Adult you are Christian and as an Elderly you are Moslem.

It's the failure to 'transcend' each Monotheism and adhere to the overall effect of why they were created - that brings conflict, fear, violence and everything else associated with a Teenager struggling to become a Man and a Man that struggles to let things go and retire into Old Age.
This is why there is 'violence' between each Monotheism.

Christianity is slowly receeding from Europe. Germany broke its Christian Cross and turned wandering lost passive Jews into a fully-armed and operational Military nation called Israel.
Soon France will watch it's Christianity burn like a Cathedral at the hands of Islam as the Moslems get broken by a Messiah that dies for their sins and converts them from an old Empire into what the Jews were previously - wandering, defenseless and lost in other people's nations.
Then the Italians will forfeit their Christianity by attacking those now defenseless Moslems until the fully armed Israel comes to hammer the Mafia-Vatican-Italy.

Then Britains turn to 'unite' Islam and Israel... etc, etc.

As we see the folding of Christianity returned to the Middle-East to bring Islam and Israel as 'One'.

etc, etc, etc

It's like a badly written script where the Monotheistic Books work together like a mechanism to bring about a world you have today which Scientists are still trying to work out how it came about.

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The_Barnacle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6205 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Spiritual or physical? Reply #10 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 11:48am You shall acknowledge no God but me. . . . You are destroyed, Israel. . . . The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open. (Hosea 13:4, 9, 16 NIV)
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The_Barnacle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6205 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Spiritual or physical? Reply #11 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 11:50am See, the day of the Lord is coming—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger. . . . I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty. . . . Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated. (Isaiah 13:9–16 NIV)
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The_Barnacle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6205 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Spiritual or physical? Reply #12 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 11:51am And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. (Leviticus 26:27–29 KJV)
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Reply #13 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 11:54am

I have always thought this was the worst verse in the bible, and my opinion remains unchanged.

O daughter Babylon, you devastator! Happy shall they be who pay you back what you have done to us! Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock! (Psalm 137:8–9 NRSV)

God was not merely saying that regrettable collateral damage might occur during wartime. He said believers should be happy—some translations say “blessed”—to kill innocent babies of those who are keeping you from worshiping your own god.

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Reply #14 - Oct 10^th, 2020 at 12:28pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 10^th, 2020 at 11:54am:

I have always thought this was the worst verse in the bible, and my opinion remains unchanged.

O daughter Babylon, you devastator! Happy shall they be who pay you back what you have done to us! Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock! (Psalm 137:8–9 NRSV)

God was not merely saying that regrettable collateral damage might occur during wartime. He said believers should be happy—some translations say “blessed”—to kill innocent babies of those who are keeping you from worshiping your own god.

The Bible is full of very sick and depraved verses.

there was a website called www.evilbible.com
but it appears to be gone now.

there is still a copy of some pages here:
https://sites.google.com/site/evilbiblehomejesuslied/home/2

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