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Gazza

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Scrap state governments!
Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 10:45am

"Australian States and Territories comprise 610 politicians, duplicating the activities of 227 federal politicians. Australians support a further 537 local governments. We have approximately 7,700 elected politicians in Federal, State, and Local government, and we have 2,046,000 public servants nationally...Modern Australia is over-governed and in need of a overhaul. We need to scrap state governments.", Change.org petition.

Are we over-governed in Australia?

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Scrap state governments! Reply #1 - Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 3:03pm Probably. I also think we're seeing another issue of the federal/state divide over the last year in that its too easy for state or feds to pass the buck by saying its the others responsibility
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26588 Australia	Re: Scrap state governments! Reply #2 - Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 4:13pm A lot of those public servants are not pollies. They are postal workers and transport workers etc etc. . . . If there were no local or state govts who would oversea all the state things like hospitals and roads etc? The main govt in canberra handles NONE of those things. Spot
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Reply #3 - Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 4:16pm

Gazza wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 10:45am:

"Australian States and Territories comprise 610 politicians, duplicating the activities of 227 federal politicians. Australians support a further 537 local governments. We have approximately 7,700 elected politicians in Federal, State, and Local government, and we have 2,046,000 public servants nationally...Modern Australia is over-governed and in need of a overhaul. We need to scrap state governments.", Change.org petition.

Are we over-governed in Australia?

2,046,000 public servants nationally.

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Reply #4 - Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 4:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 4:16pm:

Gazza wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 10:45am:

"Australian States and Territories comprise 610 politicians, duplicating the activities of 227 federal politicians. Australians support a further 537 local governments. We have approximately 7,700 elected politicians in Federal, State, and Local government, and we have 2,046,000 public servants nationally...Modern Australia is over-governed and in need of a overhaul. We need to scrap state governments.", Change.org petition.

Are we over-governed in Australia?

2,046,000 public servants nationally.

Yep ,teachers, nurses, doctors, posties. Want to get rid of those?>

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #5 - Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 4:19pm

Gazza wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 10:45am:

"Australian States and Territories comprise 610 politicians, duplicating the activities of 227 federal politicians. Australians support a further 537 local governments. We have approximately 7,700 elected politicians in Federal, State, and Local government, and we have 2,046,000 public servants nationally...Modern Australia is over-governed and in need of a overhaul. We need to scrap state governments.", Change.org petition.

Are we over-governed in Australia?

I did a thread on this just a few weeks ago

In the 21st century we have no need for 3 tiers of government.

many people are actually governed by 5 levels of government when the upper houses are considered

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Gazza

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Reply #6 - Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 4:23pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 4:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 4:16pm:

Gazza wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 10:45am:

"Australian States and Territories comprise 610 politicians, duplicating the activities of 227 federal politicians. Australians support a further 537 local governments. We have approximately 7,700 elected politicians in Federal, State, and Local government, and we have 2,046,000 public servants nationally...Modern Australia is over-governed and in need of a overhaul. We need to scrap state governments.", Change.org petition.

Are we over-governed in Australia?

2,046,000 public servants nationally.

Yep ,teachers, nurses, doctors, posties. Want to get rid of those?>

If you actually read the petition you would be better informed.

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Bobby.

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Reply #7 - Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 4:23pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 4:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 4:16pm:

Gazza wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 10:45am:

"Australian States and Territories comprise 610 politicians, duplicating the activities of 227 federal politicians. Australians support a further 537 local governments. We have approximately 7,700 elected politicians in Federal, State, and Local government, and we have 2,046,000 public servants nationally...Modern Australia is over-governed and in need of a overhaul. We need to scrap state governments.", Change.org petition.

Are we over-governed in Australia?

2,046,000 public servants nationally.

Yep ,teachers, nurses, doctors, posties. Want to get rid of those?>

How many are pen pushers and seat polishers?

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Reply #8 - Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 4:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 4:23pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 4:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 4:16pm:

Gazza wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 10:45am:

"Australian States and Territories comprise 610 politicians, duplicating the activities of 227 federal politicians. Australians support a further 537 local governments. We have approximately 7,700 elected politicians in Federal, State, and Local government, and we have 2,046,000 public servants nationally...Modern Australia is over-governed and in need of a overhaul. We need to scrap state governments.", Change.org petition.

Are we over-governed in Australia?

2,046,000 public servants nationally.

Yep ,teachers, nurses, doctors, posties. Want to get rid of those?>

How many are pen pushers and seat polishers?

Even they do work.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #9 - Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 6:11pm

Gazza wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 10:45am:

"Australian States and Territories comprise 610 politicians, duplicating the activities of 227 federal politicians. Australians support a further 537 local governments. We have approximately 7,700 elected politicians in Federal, State, and Local government, and we have 2,046,000 public servants nationally...Modern Australia is over-governed and in need of a overhaul. We need to scrap state governments.", Change.org petition.

Are we over-governed in Australia?

Sure we are overgoverned. One leader could achieve the same thing. But then he'd start shooting anyone who tried to overthrow him.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 56801 Gender:	Re: Scrap state governments! Reply #10 - Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 6:20pm I love this State v State level of Politics. It's raw, its new and it's ramping up. QLD v NSW showdown soon, the Girls are gonna go at it.
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Reply #11 - Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 6:25pm

Good, good. Everything is going according to plan.
The States have become divisive and more independent of each other and together, more so from the Federal. Maybe in 50 years those States will fracture into small Independent 'Nations' of their own. It 'might' turn out like Yugoslavia in some cases as they fight over their territories. These things happen.
I told yas. Wink

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Reply #12 - Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 6:36pm

freediver wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 6:11pm:

Gazza wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 10:45am:

"Australian States and Territories comprise 610 politicians, duplicating the activities of 227 federal politicians. Australians support a further 537 local governments. We have approximately 7,700 elected politicians in Federal, State, and Local government, and we have 2,046,000 public servants nationally...Modern Australia is over-governed and in need of a overhaul. We need to scrap state governments.", Change.org petition.

Are we over-governed in Australia?

Sure we are overgoverned. One leader could achieve the same thing. But then he'd start shooting anyone who tried to overthrow him.

Come on...we need at least two!

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Reply #13 - Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 7:10pm

The recent Covid-19 crisis has actually shown the effectiveness of federalism.

If Australia were a unitary state then the entire country would be shutting down, rather than each individual state. This means that Western Australia doesn't have to pay for the stupidity of Victoria.

And secondly, would you be willing to give Peter Dutton police powers?

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Reply #14 - Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 7:51pm

Auggie wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 7:10pm:

The recent Covid-19 crisis has actually shown the effectiveness of federalism.

If Australia were a unitary state then the entire country would be shutting down, rather than each individual state. This means that Western Australia doesn't have to pay for the stupidity of Victoria.

And secondly, would you be willing to give Peter Dutton police powers?

Why would the entire country need to shut down? Chairman Dan started with postcode shut-downs, but went statewide after bungling hotel quarantine.

Do you feel comfortable giving the Chief Medical Officer police powers?

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