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Aug 24th, 2020 at 9:57am
 
Why carry a very heavy dangerous Lithium Ion potentially explosive battery around when you can have lighter than air hydrogen energy? With quick refuel and no range anxiety.

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Fortescue advances hydrogen technology at Christmas Creek
By NS Energy Staff Writer  18 Aug 2020

Hydrogen-powered coaches will be added to Fortescue Metals Group’s (Fortescue) fleet at its Christmas Creek operations in the Pilbara in a demonstration of the Company’s drive towards zero-emissions mobility.

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Fortescue to use hydrogen fuel cell-powered fleet in Australia. (Credit: Fortescue Metals Group Limited.)

The A$32 million ($23 million) renewable hydrogen mobility project – the first for an Australian mining operation – will see the deployment of 10 full-sized hydrogen coaches, custom built by HYZON Motors, to replace the existing fleet of diesel coaches at Christmas Creek from mid-2021. It will be supported by the installation of a refuelling station, which will harness renewable electricity from the Chichester Solar Gas Hybrid Project to generate renewable hydrogen onsite.


Fortescue Deputy Chief Executive Officer Julie Shuttleworth said, “This project represents a first step towards decarbonising our mobile fleet, which is an important part of our goal to achieve net zero operational emissions by 2040.

“Fortescue’s history of developing and adopting innovation and technology has been key to achieving our industry-leading cost position and we are applying this technology-first strategy to our hydrogen initiatives to ensure we remain at the forefront of this emerging industry.

“As a significant energy consumer, we are actively pursuing opportunities to reduce our carbon footprint and cost base and we expect hydrogen to play a key role. Fortescue’s mobile fleet represents around 400 to 450 million litres of diesel consumption per year and presents a significant opportunity for hydrogen to be used as a replacement fuel source to accelerate emissions reduction and diversify our energy mix,” Ms Shuttleworth said.

HYZON Motors Co-Founder Craig Knight said, “After almost 20 years working with fuel cell technology, it is hugely rewarding to see the genuine enthusiasm for decarbonisation from one of the leading miners of the world.

“We can see first-hand how Fortescue has forged and sustained their rightful place through constant innovation, and we see hydrogen as another example of their willingness to lead through action,” Mr Knight said.

Fortescue has received A$2 million ($1.44 million) in funding through the Western Australian Government’s Renewable Hydrogen Fund to support the development of this project.

https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/news/fortescue-advances-hydrogen-technology-at-...
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Reply #1 - Aug 26th, 2020 at 6:44pm
 
Solar powered buses. Great progress.
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Reply #2 - Aug 27th, 2020 at 5:21pm
 
Canberra is going hydrogen. Canberra has 20 hydrogen cars ready to go but the Virus is slowing down the installation of the hydrogen filling station.



ACT government’s 20-vehicle hydrogen fleet grounded due to Covid difficulties
AUGUST 6, 20206 COMMENTS2 MINUTE READMICHAEL MAZENGARB

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the ACT government has purchased 20 Hyundai Nexo FCEVs.


The ACT government’s new fleet of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles have reached Australian shores, but their deployment has been hampered as Covid-19 has prevented the installation of a crucial piece of equipment – Australia’s first public hydrogen refuelling station.

ACT climate change and sustainability minister Shane Rattenbury told a Smart Energy Council webinar on Wednesday that the fleet of 20 Hyundai hydrogen fuel cell vehicles had arrived in Australia, but had faced delays in deployment due to difficulties in being the right expertise into Canberra to get the refuelling infrastructure up and running.

“The ACT government has committed to bringing in 20 hydrogen vehicles into our fleet in partnership with Hyundai and Neoen and as part of one of our large scale reverse auction,” Rattenbury said.

“Unfortunately, due to Covid, we’ve had some real difficulties getting that going. The vehicles are here in Australia. But the technology for the fueling station has been held up.”




The ACT government is set to use 20 of Hyundai’s Nexo fuel cell models, which has a 95kW fuel cell stack that supplies energy to its 40kW battery, delivering 120kW of power to the motor a range of more than 800 kilometres.

The major hurdle for the deployment of the hydrogen fuel cell vehicle fleet has been the lack of local expertise on refuelling infrastructure, with the ACT currently unable to bring in the right personnel to support the installation of a refuelling rig.

“We were due to be shipping in some US expertise to help with the installation of the refuelling station, but with Covid and the border closures, that’s been problematic,” Rattenbury said.

“We are now meant to be bringing in some expertise from Victoria, and we know what’s happening in Victoria. So we are behind schedule on that one. We’re pretty frustrated about that. But it’s something that’s ended up being beyond our control.”

“But it’s a lock-in. We are going to do it. The vehicles are sitting up with Hyundai in Sydney and so as soon as we can get the refuelling station up and running those vehicles will come into being part of the ACT government fleet.” Rattenbury added.

The refuelling station is set to be located in the industrial suburb of Fyshwick in Canberra’s south, and will become the first publicly available hydrogen refuelling station in Australia.

The ACT government secured a commitment from renewable energy developer Neoen to support the rollout of the hydrogen vehicle fleet as part of the ACT’s commitment to purchase electricity from the Hornsdale wind farm.


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Neoen’s Hornsdale wind farm is contributing to the ACT’s supply of 100 per cent renewable electricity, having secured a contract to supply the territory through its reverse auction process. As part of the deal, Neoen is required to reinvest a portion of the funds paid by the ACT into hydrogen projects, including green hydrogen production and vehicle refuelling infrastructure.

Neoen has already kick-started the development of another 1.25MW electrolyser facility in South Australia, which joins a number of leading projects the company has undertaken in the state, including the Hornsdale wind farm and the Hornsdale big battery.


https://thedriven.io/2020/08/06/act-governments-20-vehicle-hydrogen-fleet-ground...

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Reply #3 - Aug 27th, 2020 at 5:30pm
 
Australia’s first public hydrogen refuelling station to be piloted in ACT
MAY 8, 2019 BRIDIE SCHMIDT


20 Nexos are on order by the ACT government and will be used to trial the new hydrogen charging station. Source: Hyundai


The first public hydrogen refuelling station for fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEV) has been announced today in Canberra, as part of the ACT governments commitment to hydrogen technologies made in the tenders for its 100 per cent renewables program.

The hydrogen fuelling station will at first be piloted by 20 Hyundai Nexo FCEVs that are being purchased by the ACT goverment as part of its commitment to a zero emissions future.

The Nexo order is Australia’s largest contract of its kind and is worth more than $A1 million, but it presents a particular problem: how to fuel the hydrogen-fuelled vehicles.

Fuel cell vehicles may present an attractive alternative to combustion vehicles for some who are married to the idea of charging on the go within only a few minutes, much like petrol and diesel.



But while charging stations for battery electric vehicles are gradually becoming more commonplace, the infrastructure for FCEVs is currently not as available, and is also considerably more expensive to install than EV chargers (BEVs can of course also be charged at home).

The new hydrogen charging station, will be installed under a partnership between ActewAGL and French renewable energy company Neoen, which won a significant share of the ACT’s renewable energy target through its three wind farms at Hornsdale in South Australia.

Neoen in 2016 won the last tender held by the ACT government and as part of that deal committed to $55 million in a partnership with Siemens and Hyundai to establish a 1.25MW hydrogen electrolyser, which converts electricity to hydrogen, and the re-fuelling station.

That station will be located at ActewAGL’s compressed natural gas station in Mildura St, Fyshwick this December, and will be the first publicly available site in Australia.

There, it will be used to recharge the ACT’s 20 Hyundai Nexos, the South Korean carmaker’s second generation FCEV that has an estimated driving range of 800km and has superceded its predecessor the Hyundai ix35 FCEV.

The Nexo has a a 95kW fuel cell stack that supplies energy to its 40kW battery, emitting only water from the tailpipe and delivering 120kW of power to the motor and 394Nm of torque.

The only other FCEV currently available on the Australian market is the Toyota Mirai, which has 550km of range and is currently being trialled in a number of short-loan leases.

Compared to battery electric vehicles which use a number of rare earth materials in their battery cells, hydrogen is considered by some to be a more credible answer to zero emissions transport because of the incredible abundance of hydrogen (it is the universe’s most abundant element).

https://thedriven.io/2019/05/08/australias-first-public-hydrogen-refuelling-stat...
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Reply #4 - Aug 27th, 2020 at 7:38pm
 
So these energy companies are generating electricity using wind turbines and then storing some of it in hydrogen, for later use.

Looks like renewable energy has solved it's intermittency problem.

Man, this has really owned the greenies!
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Reply #5 - Aug 27th, 2020 at 8:00pm
 
Robot wrote on Aug 27th, 2020 at 7:38pm:
So these energy companies are generating electricity using wind turbines and then storing some of it in hydrogen, for later use.

Looks like renewable energy has solved it's intermittency problem.

Man, this has really owned the greenies!


I don't understand why kinda disconnected states like WA and SA power companies complain about too much power. They should be more connected but besides the point. Keep enough baseload running and pour excess into storage/money, be it hydrogen, cryptocurrency, or other things that will return. They need to diversify. Other things can be ramped up or down as needed to buffer baseload.

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Reply #6 - Aug 28th, 2020 at 12:08am
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 27th, 2020 at 8:00pm:
I don't understand why kinda disconnected states like WA and SA power companies complain about too much power. They should be more connected but besides the point. Keep enough baseload running and pour excess into storage/money, be it hydrogen, cryptocurrency, or other things that will return. They need to diversify. Other things can be ramped up or down as needed to buffer baseload.



Yes, lets keep pretending "base load" generators are relevant (SA doesn't have a single "base load" plant left to "keep enough" of) and let's gather magic internet money instead of decarbonising the power supply. Big brain ideas.
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Reply #7 - Aug 28th, 2020 at 2:12am
 
SA is totally dependent on the link to the Victorian brown coal fields electricity generators for the many times the sun and wind fails.

Industry cannot be supplied with variable intermittent power.

Renewable stuff is basically useless without a steady reliable primary main power supply either hydro or coal or gas.

But if the useless peaks of wind and solar could be stored in a very large energy reservoir then renewable stuff starts to become useful.

Simple battery storage is basically useless because it is too small holding only minutes of energy. Plus it has the nasty habit of exploding if a fault develops.

Enter HYDROGEN ENERGY STORAGE where storage size is only limited by the size of the huge storage tanks which can hold days of energy.

Plus Japan and South Korea is seeking to import hydrogen from Australia which is exported as ammonia.

Hydrogen Energy is the future sweeping the silly little dangerous range anxiety electric toy cars into the junk yards.

The big incentive to get hydrogen going is to replace big polluting diesel trucks hauling containers from the wharves in the cities with clean hydrogen trucks. Also large buses are a prime target.

Hydrogen is quick refuel with NO range anxiety. A direct replacement for diesel and petrol and LNG and LPG.
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Reply #8 - Aug 28th, 2020 at 9:47am
 
Wouldn't you kick yourself if you had wasted your money on an already obsolete dangerous range anxiety electric inconvenience that take hours to recharge after queuing for another 3 hours!!

You can almost hear the Electric Fan Boys and Girls sneer and snarl!!!!





Hyundai partners with gas giants for hydrogen cars in Australia
By Nick Toscano August 10, 2020 — 12.00am

Gas companies will partner with Hyundai to supply refuelling infrastructure for hydrogen-powered cars in Australia next year in a bid to accelerate the take-up of the zero-emissions fuel technology.

Energy infrastructure giant Jemena and Wesfarmers-owned Coregas have been in talks with carmaker Hyundai to supply "green hydrogen" – generated from wind and energy power – for a re-filling station in Sydney's Macquarie Park.

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The Hyundai Nexo is the first hydrogen-fuelled vehicle to be certified by the Australian government for use on the road.

There is little doubt among the world's largest energy companies and automakers that fossil fuel-guzzling cars will be increasingly shunned by consumers and even banned in some jurisdictions.

Fuel-cell vehicles that use hydrogen – and emit only water and heat – have been overshadowed by the vastly greater and ever-increasing mainstream success of electric battery-powered cars like Teslas. Hydrogen vehicles account for less than 0.1 per cent of vehicles produced each year.

Jemena chief executive Frank Tudor said the lack of critical refuelling infrastructure was regularly cited as a "handbrake to hydrogen vehicle sales".

"Our agreement with Hyundai and Coregas releases some of that pressure and is an opportunity to demonstrate that renewably generated hydrogen gas can be made directly available to the vehicle and transport sectors," Mr Tudor said.

Although the fuel-cell vehicles are yet to reach large-scale production, supporters of the technology say hydrogen cars boast advantages over electric cars, including longer range and quicker refuelling times, and believe they could gain ground as more refuelling infrastructure becomes available. China, Japan and South Korea have been setting ambitious targets to put millions of hydrogen-powered vehicles on their roads by the end of the next decade, investing heavily in refuelling stations.


Hyundai's Macquarie Park facility is the country's only permanent refuelling station. Construction projects in Brisbane, Melbourne and the ACT have been delayed due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Under the memorandum of understanding between the Australian gas companies and Hyundai, the hydrogen will be produced and delivered from Jemena's $15 million Western Sydney Green Gas project, which has been 50 per cent funded by the Australian Renewable Energy Agency (ARENA).

"Hydrogen is going to play a fairly significant role in industrial-heating areas, power generation, transportation," Mr Tudor said. "It's going to be one of the fuels that help countries decarbonise."

Hydrogen is touted as a growth industry in the energy sector, as an alternative fuel source and for its ability to store the energy generated by renewable sources such as wind and solar. It is also being explored as a top diversification strategy for traditional oil and gas producers determined to stay relevant in a decarbonised future.

Hyundai's Nexo SUV is the first fuel-cell vehicle certified for use on Australia's roads. A fleet of 20 of the cars has been leased by the ACT government and is expected to be deployed later this year.

Energy Networks Australia, representing power and gas infrastructure companies, said hydrogen would play a significant role in decarbonising the energy system. "Australia is punching above its weight on hydrogen research and development," chief executive Andrew Dillon said.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/hyundai-partners-with-gas-giants-for...
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Reply #9 - Aug 28th, 2020 at 9:59am
 
Now the big target that hydrogen has in its sights - big polluting diesel trucks.

When should you buy hydrogen shares and sell electric car shares ?




Hydrogen trucks for Australia. US-based Horizon says US and European hydrogen trucks could be here from early 2021
By Neil Dowling on 29th June 2020

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HYDROGEN fuel-cell trucks are 10 months away from launch in Australia as US-based Hyzon Motors begins its export drive of zero-emission heavy-duty vehicles based on existing US and European truck chassis including Western Star and DAF.

Hyzon, the vehicle powertrain arm of Singapore’s fuel-cell manufacturer Horizon Fuel Cell Technologies, said the roll out of trucks and then buses seemed to be contrary to a lack of hydrogen fuel infrastructure in Australia but the company intends to get its foot in the door by starting with back-to-base fuelling.

Horizon’s CEO, Australian Craig Knight, told GoAutoNews Premium that he believed the timing was right for hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles to become visible in Australia and that the zero emission systems were ideal for heavy-duty vehicles operating as back-to-base fleets.

Ideally, the fuel would be sourced from a hydrogen producer at the vehicle fleet operator’s base.

He said Horizon saw itself as a provider of hydrogen vehicles and not a provider of the infrastructure.

“We see the most attractive use for hydrogen as diesel displacement. Making hydrogen can go to making electricity, for example, but we see the future (of the gas) as a sustainable, predictable fuel for trucking because hydrogen replacing diesel in trucks is very attractive once you have the technology right.”

Mr Knight said hydrogen was now available for less than $A8 a kilogram.

“That’s getting close to vehicle operating parity with diesel,” he said.

“If you can get the price down to between $A5 and $A6 a kilogram – which is where most of the green hydrogen targets in Australia are hoped to be within a few years – then you could run a hydrogen fuel cell truck for less than diesel.”

One kilogram of hydrogen is equivalent to five or six litres of diesel in terms of operational efficiency. This increases in conditions such as stop-start use for city buses.


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https://premium.goauto.com.au/hydrogen-trucks-for-australia/
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Reply #10 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 1:05am
 
Hydrogen is such a low energy fuel add some carbon atoms and up its power. It is harder to contain in its pure state, it can even pass thru steel at high pressure. Add even more carbon atoms and you can get it to a liquid state at ambient temperature and increase its energy!  Grin
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Reply #11 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 1:09am
 
juliar wrote on Aug 28th, 2020 at 2:12am:
Renewable stuff is basically useless without a steady reliable primary main power supply either hydro or coal or gas.


LOL, coal and gas are dirty old technology. Wind and solar can be shored up with synfuels or hydrogen - made using solar and wind power - that don't add any more carbon into the system. None of the limitations of batteries, none of the downsides of fossil fuels, none of the politics of nuclear.

You've got a tough job ahead of you:

On one hand, you want to advocate for hydrogen power because you have a hate boner for Teslas.

On the other hand, you have to downplay the fact that hydrogen is renewable energy, because that's something the greenies want, and you can't be agreeing with those latte-sipping Bolsheviks!
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Reply #12 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 7:06am
 
Hydrogen has the lowest BTUs if your intention is to use it as a fuel for internal combustion engines. The biggest advantage is that clean water vapor comes out the exhaust. Its best use would be for short trips or in a confined space like a warehouse. I don't see it as being a convenient long range energy source.
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Reply #13 - Aug 31st, 2020 at 10:21am
 
Hydrogen is the future, EV is the stepping stone to get us there.

Some are ideologically blind to the realities that we face.

I hope that the Hydrogen as a fuel source comes sooner than later.

You really shouldn't be comparing Hydrogen to EV, but instead to traditional gasoline.

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Heavens! What on earth was that that just thumped past??



The electric FANS hang on till the bitter end. Who cares if hydrogen is called renewable ?  The old chestnut about hydrogen leaking thru metal is usually brought up but hydrogen storage tanks are NOT metal but a special fibrous mix developed by Toyota. And gas pipes are lined with a special coating. Also the energy density MUST be low because it is lighter than air!!!

What is required is a replacement fuel for cars, big trucks, trains, ships, planes, huge industrial machines, very huge mining machines, huge agricultural machines.

So a direct replacement for petrol, diesel, LNG, and LPG is required which is quick refuel and has the same or longer range.

The electric FANS hold little batteries up as the answer to everything.

But no battery can power a big 600HP truck hauling about 40 tonnes as such a fantasy battery would be huge and very heavy and would be a big hazard as it can explode if a fault develops.

But hydrogen can easily fulfill all these requirements and is being increasingly used for heavy equipment.

Also hydrogen is mixed with domestic gas already.

So get used to it, a hydrogen infrastructure will gradually replace the existing petrol and diesel and LNG and LPG infrastructure and clean hydrogen vehicles which will not pollute our cities will be as common as the petrol and diesel and LNG and LPG vehicles today.

A big plus for hydrogen is that it can readily be used as an energy store for the erratic unstable power occasionally produced by wind and solar.

And Japan and South Korea are already asking Australia to generate hydrogen and export it as ammonia to them. What an export earner!!!!

It must be annoying for the electric fans that they have wasted their money on a dead end dud electric inconvenience that is already obsolete just like back in the 1800's.

Visit Canberra and see the Public Servants whizzing by in their hydrogen powered Hyundai cars without a whisper of pollution.

The REAL impetus for hydrogen is the reduction of pollution in cites from particularly diesel trucks and also petrol cars.

Of course the Electric FANS rattle on about the non-existent Greenies' Global Warming HOAX and their Climate Change SCAM.


Keep an eye out for buying hydrogen shares as they will skyrocket!!!
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