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Reply #30 - Aug 21st, 2020 at 11:06am
 
Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:58am:
cods wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:54am:
Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:50am:
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Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:28am:
Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is. 



You're the only person I know in Victoria
who is happy about Daniel Andrews.
The buck stops with him -
the quarantine was stuffed up when he could
have had ADF help which he refused.
We are now in 2nd much worse lockdown due to his appalling failures.

I ask in the name of God that he goes -
resigns - gets out.




To be replaced by whom?     I suggest you also look up the ADF help supposedly offered and refused, that has been found to be somewhat lacking in it's veracity.    When you understand the full process of the ADF being offered to work outside the terms of the Defence White Paper, you will know that a Minister can't just stand on the podium and "send in the troops".    It is a far more involved process than the actions of an ill informed and inexperienced Minister



funny that didnt stop NSW from using the ADF at every opportunity....Morrison offered Andrews the ADF twice.....they were on standby   and both times he refused them..... he mate had already lined up security     the untrained lot.



That is not correct.   Andrews actually ASKED for, and got, ADF support in Victoria, not the other way around.  You are too blinkered by Murdoch.    The Security used were also on an APPROVED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT tender list.   Even Morrison used them.


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Reply #31 - Aug 21st, 2020 at 11:38am
 
Best premier? The Tasmanian premier

He's using his common sense, and I'll bet Tasmanians treat their elderly in age care with far more respect than mainlanders treat theirs
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Reply #32 - Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:10pm
 
Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 10:46am:
Gordon wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 10:37am:
Mistakes have been made all around but in they were made early in the pandemic.

Nothing compares to the fuster cluck Dan Andrews presided over with the running of the hotels and the HUGE numbers in Vic are a reflection of the size of the stuffup.


Victoria's Health Department allowed hotel quarantine guests infected with coronavirus to leave as soon as three days after a positive test if they were not displaying symptoms.

Michael Tait, a nurse who worked for the program at the Crown Metropol hotel, said in his submission to Victoria's hotel quarantine inquiry on Thursday that "it seemed like the department did not care if COVID-19 patients just left the hotel and walked into the street".

https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/quarantine-guests-allowed-to-leave-hote...




The HUGE numbers in Victoria are a direct result of infections in Nursing Homes - which are Morrison's  and the Coalition's balliwick.    Take them out of the equation and the Covid infection rate in Vic s falling.    I fully accept mistakes have been made - all states and territories have made them - but the restrictions put in place by Andrews are having a positive effect, we just need the Federal Government to do it's job in Vic AND NSW with respect to aged care facilities.



The huge number of cases in Vic are because the quarantine hotels were a complete and utter joke.

The high death toll in aged homes is because that's what happens everywhere in the world that has large unknown case loads, and regardless of who funds age care, Vic Health could have moved infected patients to hospitals.

The ADF issue is actually a bit of a furphy because the real reason the hotels stuffed up is because they didn't use Vic Police.

I told this story before and I'll tell you again, just to you get the point.

For work I visited the private residence section of a Q hotel in Sydney RIGHT in the middle of he lockdown.

There was a Sgt and a constable at the front door on the street. They got my details and took me to the ground floor lift and radioed up to the security contractor who met me on the podium level where I changed lifts for the residential section. The security was totally buttoned down, and you can read about the horror stories in the Victorian hotels on the ABC, not just the Murdoch press as you claim.

You can't just say yeah mistakes have been made everywhere but the mistakes in Victoria have been monumental in proportion to everywhere else.

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Reply #33 - Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:17pm
 
You also need to judge the performance for the premier by the scale of the problem the had to deal with.

Tasmania, WA, SA and NT have done well but look at the size of their cities and the very few amount of returned travelers.

NSW had the most returned travelers followed by Vic.

Going by that, NSW has by a long way done the best.


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Reply #34 - Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:19pm
 
Hey Vic, here's some more evil Murdoch bias reporting about poor Dan Dan Covid Man.

Health officials lost track of returned travellers staying in Melbourne's hotel quarantine scheme and threats of suicide were dismissed, according to a nurse giving evidence at an inquiry into the botched program.

Meanwhile, a Melbourne lawyer who stayed at the Rydges Hotel has revealed images showing the filthy room he and his family were asked to stay in, which included discarded gloves on the floor, scraps of food and a blood-stained doona.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-20/victorian-covid19-hotel-quarantine-inquir...
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Reply #35 - Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:23pm
 
NSW. Largest city, largest population, most returned travelers.

NSW has recorded just one new coronavirus case today, from more than 32,000 tests. The case is a close contact of an existing case and had been in isolation.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-victorian-hotel-quarant...
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Reply #36 - Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:30pm
 
Dan has been a very good premier generally.

Police, hospitals, nurses, schools, railway crossing removals .... etc.

By far the best premier Victoria has seen for decades.  Cool

Had a lot of bad luck regarding the second wave outbreak but has taken responsibility for it all and has just completed the 50th press conference on the COVID-19 situation (or is it 51 now?) where he clearly covers all the issues and takes every single question until there are no further questions each day.

That takes a lot of guts.

He might be crucified over the second wave, and that will be Victoria's loss.  Sad

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Reply #37 - Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:40pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:30pm:
Dan has been a very good premier generally.

Police, hospitals, nurses, schools, railway crossing removals .... etc.

By far the best premier Victoria has seen for decades.  Cool

Had a lot of bad luck regarding the second wave outbreak but has taken responsibility for it all and has just completed the 50th press conference on the COVID-19 situation (or is it 51 now?) where he clearly covers all the issues and takes every single question until there are no further questions each day.

That takes a lot of guts.

He might be crucified over the second wave, and that will be Victoria's loss.  Sad




Stuff him -
we've already been in a previous hurtful lockdown and the result
was that we ended up in a second far worse lockdown.
Dan will not be forgiven.

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Reply #38 - Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:48pm
 
There's been a number of African darkie home invasions and robberies during this covid outbreak. No one can say Dan Andrews is a good premier, and he's certainly not the best
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Reply #39 - Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:51pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:48pm:
There's been a number of African darkie home invasions and robberies during this covid outbreak. No one can say Dan Andrews is a good premier, and he's certainly not the best


Yes, they can ....

Dan Andrews is a good premier.

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Reply #40 - Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:58pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:51pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:48pm:
There's been a number of African darkie home invasions and robberies during this covid outbreak. No one can say Dan Andrews is a good premier, and he's certainly not the best


Yes, they can ....

Dan Andrews is a good premier.

Smiley



He doesn't do anything about the darkies - that's not good leadership, he's a rotten premier
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Reply #41 - Aug 21st, 2020 at 1:08pm
 
Speaking of State premiers and borders ...

What price to cross over?

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Reply #42 - Aug 21st, 2020 at 3:33pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:19pm:
Hey Vic, here's some more evil Murdoch bias reporting about poor Dan Dan Covid Man.

Health officials lost track of returned travellers staying in Melbourne's hotel quarantine scheme and threats of suicide were dismissed, according to a nurse giving evidence at an inquiry into the botched program.

Meanwhile, a Melbourne lawyer who stayed at the Rydges Hotel has revealed images showing the filthy room he and his family were asked to stay in, which included discarded gloves on the floor, scraps of food and a blood-stained doona.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-20/victorian-covid19-hotel-quarantine-inquir...



I have always said that mistakes have been made Gordon.  I am sure if I scratched around I could find all sorts of horror stories regarding the handling of this whole thing in other states and territories to put on display .     I can only be objective about the state that I live in, and that I can actually see and hear what is happening - and all evidence to date is that Andrews is doing the best he can with what he has got.   As far as other states and territories, it is all subjective and third party information because i am not there on the spot.    The original posting for this topic asked - who was the best Premier and if you read me response, I nominated Andrews because I see the evidence virtually first hand, my second choice was Gladys - this is a subjective analysis because I don't live in NSW, BUT I have seen and heard enough to lead me to believe she is also doing a good job.   

When NSW first took in hundreds of people to Hotel accommodation there were also complaints of dirty rooms, terrible meals etc - the same has happened here.        As I also wrote, the main form of ongoing and virulent transmission of COVID in Victoria is in aged care homes - and that is a FEDERAL responsibility that they were and still are, ill prepared for to the extent that Andrews has had to take 3 of them over.  If you were to take the age care places out of the equation, our infection rate is reported to have fallen.
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Reply #43 - Aug 21st, 2020 at 3:41pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:23pm:
NSW. Largest city, largest population, most returned travelers.

NSW has recorded just one new coronavirus case today, from more than 32,000 tests. The case is a close contact of an existing case and had been in isolation.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-victorian-hotel-quarant...



assessment Cases
This week 25

Last week 77
Change trending_down 52
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trending_down 54
search Unknown source
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You may have had only 1 today, but you had 25 for the week from a starting point a couple of weeks ago of zero!    So what has changed to allow that to happen?    
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Reply #44 - Aug 21st, 2020 at 3:45pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:58pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:51pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:48pm:
There's been a number of African darkie home invasions and robberies during this covid outbreak. No one can say Dan Andrews is a good premier, and he's certainly not the best


Yes, they can ....

Dan Andrews is a good premier.

Smiley



He doesn't do anything about the darkies - that's not good leadership, he's a rotten premier



Dan somehow has control over the media.
They never report Sudanese home invasions anymore.
I only find out about it from overseas websites
or a few Australian obscure websites.
If they do report anything -
they just say men or youths did a home invasion or car jacking.

As the Don says - it's fake news folks.
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