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Re: Best Premier?
Reply #15 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:54am

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:49am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:44am:

Gordon wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:35am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:28am:

Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this. Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is. I also think Gladys has done a good job with NSW - Her and Andrews appear to have put politics aside and are dealing with the interstate issues well, and with common sense. Qld,not too sure about - but I think a little less politics and some common sense between QLD AND NSW would not go astray. SA appear to be just about off the rails with common sense thrown out the window, with WA following a reasonable and logical path. Tassie you would think would be well protected but have gone a bit overboard I think locking the state down until December. In a state where tourism is the majority earner, I would have thought flexibility in decision making would have been a higher consideration - come January, they will really feel the loss of tourist dollars there. NT seem to be coping as only the NT can - they still have crocodile stories on the front cover of the NT News. Not sure about the ACT, dont really hear a lot from there

Sounds like Dan could stomp kittens to death live on TV and you'd still give him a pass.

No, I just acknowledge he is doing his best. I notice Gladys has made the same mistakes that Andrews has made, yet nothing said. Remember also, it wasn't Andrews that let the Ruby Princess dock with all those infected passengers

he had about two months notice regarding the fiasco of the Ruby Princess.....shows how much he learnt from others mistakes....... you can call the cruise ship into account all you like.... but to me that makes IT WORSE..that was is a HUGE LEARNING CURVE.

he learnt nothing...as the Premier he is head of everything and so far everything has been a debacle...

Yes, and he acted, just like every other state. Then we got hit by the second wave which other states are now experiencing. The biggest debacle to date has been the hotel quarantine fiascco, where he hired a company to provide those services which was on the FEDERAL GOVERNMENTTENDER LIST and as such he could expend money without having to public tender. That company, whgich the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT also used was found lacking. It still doesn't explain why the root cause of the problem, the Ruby Princess, was allowed to dock and Morrison refuses to allow his Ministers or Public Servants to comment

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Re: Best Premier?
Reply #16 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:57am

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:51am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:49am:

I am with Vic on this, I think Andrews is doing the best he can under the circumstances.

Sure there was a stuff up in the original quarantine, but WA used private contractors to oversight quarantine in the beginning with no real issues,

anyway a RC is looking into that so lets wait on the results

NSW seems to be going alright atm but all hell could break loose and we could end up with another Victoria on our hands.

The other premiers are just lucky they havent had so many Covids largely due to most of the overseas returnees landing in Vic/NSW

so if you dont hold Dan the man for the State of Vic who do you hold responsible???

seriously red LUCK should not come into it.

I will wait the RC outcome cods rather than follow stupid forum posters opinions.

Are you screaming for Gladys Big nose to resign over ruby Princess as well cods?

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Reply #17 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:58am

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:54am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:50am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:41am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:28am:

Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this. Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.

You're the only person I know in Victoria
who is happy about Daniel Andrews.
The buck stops with him -
the quarantine was stuffed up when he could
have had ADF help which he refused.
We are now in 2nd much worse lockdown due to his appalling failures.

I ask in the name of God that he goes -
resigns - gets out.

To be replaced by whom? I suggest you also look up the ADF help supposedly offered and refused, that has been found to be somewhat lacking in it's veracity. When you understand the full process of the ADF being offered to work outside the terms of the Defence White Paper, you will know that a Minister can't just stand on the podium and "send in the troops". It is a far more involved process than the actions of an ill informed and inexperienced Minister

funny that didnt stop NSW from using the ADF at every opportunity....Morrison offered Andrews the ADF twice.....they were on standby and both times he refused them..... he mate had already lined up security the untrained lot.

That is not correct. Andrews actually ASKED for, and got, ADF support in Victoria, not the other way around. You are too blinkered by Murdoch. The Security used were also on an APPROVED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT tender list. Even Morrison used them.

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Reply #18 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:00am

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:54am:

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:49am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:44am:

Gordon wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:35am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:28am:

Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this. Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is. I also think Gladys has done a good job with NSW - Her and Andrews appear to have put politics aside and are dealing with the interstate issues well, and with common sense. Qld,not too sure about - but I think a little less politics and some common sense between QLD AND NSW would not go astray. SA appear to be just about off the rails with common sense thrown out the window, with WA following a reasonable and logical path. Tassie you would think would be well protected but have gone a bit overboard I think locking the state down until December. In a state where tourism is the majority earner, I would have thought flexibility in decision making would have been a higher consideration - come January, they will really feel the loss of tourist dollars there. NT seem to be coping as only the NT can - they still have crocodile stories on the front cover of the NT News. Not sure about the ACT, dont really hear a lot from there

Sounds like Dan could stomp kittens to death live on TV and you'd still give him a pass.

No, I just acknowledge he is doing his best. I notice Gladys has made the same mistakes that Andrews has made, yet nothing said. Remember also, it wasn't Andrews that let the Ruby Princess dock with all those infected passengers

he had about two months notice regarding the fiasco of the Ruby Princess.....shows how much he learnt from others mistakes....... you can call the cruise ship into account all you like.... but to me that makes IT WORSE..that was is a HUGE LEARNING CURVE.

he learnt nothing...as the Premier he is head of everything and so far everything has been a debacle...

Yes, and he acted, just like every other state. Then we got hit by the second wave which other states are now experiencing. The biggest debacle to date has been the hotel quarantine fiascco, where he hired a company to provide those services which was on the FEDERAL GOVERNMENTTENDER LIST and as such he could expend money without having to public tender. That company, whgich the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT also used was found lacking. It still doesn't explain why the root cause of the problem, the Ruby Princess, was allowed to dock and Morrison refuses to allow his Ministers or Public Servants to comment

all I know is the minster in charge of the hiring is an ex union man and he picked the company because they were members of his preferred union.....at least on paper.....as we know the call went out for anyone to apply for the job.. even students got put on with half an hours training....thats on record...

someone has since said the security business needs a complete overhaul as its running wild right now....

how long did this fiasco gone on for before they realised what was going on????????...

seems to me the horse had bolted...

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Re: Best Premier?
Reply #19 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:02am

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:58am:

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:54am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:50am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:41am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:28am:

Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this. Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.

You're the only person I know in Victoria
who is happy about Daniel Andrews.
The buck stops with him -
the quarantine was stuffed up when he could
have had ADF help which he refused.
We are now in 2nd much worse lockdown due to his appalling failures.

I ask in the name of God that he goes -
resigns - gets out.

To be replaced by whom? I suggest you also look up the ADF help supposedly offered and refused, that has been found to be somewhat lacking in it's veracity. When you understand the full process of the ADF being offered to work outside the terms of the Defence White Paper, you will know that a Minister can't just stand on the podium and "send in the troops". It is a far more involved process than the actions of an ill informed and inexperienced Minister

funny that didnt stop NSW from using the ADF at every opportunity....Morrison offered Andrews the ADF twice.....they were on standby and both times he refused them..... he mate had already lined up security the untrained lot.

That is not correct. Andrews actually ASKED for, and got, ADF support in Victoria, not the other way around. You are too blinkered by Murdoch. The Security used were also on an APPROVED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT tender list. Even Morrison used them.

Yeah cods dont let the truth get in the way of your good story!

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Re: Best Premier?
Reply #20 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:02am

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:54am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:50am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:41am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:28am:

Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this. Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.

You're the only person I know in Victoria
who is happy about Daniel Andrews.
The buck stops with him -
the quarantine was stuffed up when he could
have had ADF help which he refused.
We are now in 2nd much worse lockdown due to his appalling failures.

I ask in the name of God that he goes -
resigns - gets out.

To be replaced by whom? I suggest you also look up the ADF help supposedly offered and refused, that has been found to be somewhat lacking in it's veracity. When you understand the full process of the ADF being offered to work outside the terms of the Defence White Paper, you will know that a Minister can't just stand on the podium and "send in the troops". It is a far more involved process than the actions of an ill informed and inexperienced Minister

funny that didnt stop NSW from using the ADF at every opportunity....Morrison offered Andrews the ADF twice.....they were on standby and both times he refused them..... he mate had already lined up security the untrained lot.

Hear hear Dame Cods,
Dan must resign.

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Reply #22 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:06am

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:58am:

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:54am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:50am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:41am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:28am:

Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this. Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.

You're the only person I know in Victoria
who is happy about Daniel Andrews.
The buck stops with him -
the quarantine was stuffed up when he could
have had ADF help which he refused.
We are now in 2nd much worse lockdown due to his appalling failures.

I ask in the name of God that he goes -
resigns - gets out.

To be replaced by whom? I suggest you also look up the ADF help supposedly offered and refused, that has been found to be somewhat lacking in it's veracity. When you understand the full process of the ADF being offered to work outside the terms of the Defence White Paper, you will know that a Minister can't just stand on the podium and "send in the troops". It is a far more involved process than the actions of an ill informed and inexperienced Minister

funny that didnt stop NSW from using the ADF at every opportunity....Morrison offered Andrews the ADF twice.....they were on standby and both times he refused them..... he mate had already lined up security the untrained lot.

That is not correct. Andrews actually ASKED for, and got, ADF support in Victoria, not the other way around. You are too blinkered by Murdoch. The Security used were also on an APPROVED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT tender list. Even Morrison used them.

read some facts vic

A grim-sounding Daniel Andrews concedes the “unacceptable” breakdown in infection control that occurred in Victoria’s quarantine hotels. That’s why he’s established a judicial inquiry to investigate what went wrong, he insists. But his absolute focus now, he argues, must be dealing with the challenges those breaches have created.

A drive-through testing station in the Melbourne lockdown suburb of Fawkner. Justin Mcmanus

Yet rather than learning from its failure, the Andrews government seems curiously resistant to using one of the most obvious resources immediately available to help address it – the Australian Defence Force. It won’t just be Victorians wondering why. The government’s answers are hardly persuasive.

Despite the standing offer from the Morrison government to provide many hundreds more military personnel, for example, the Andrews government is instead advertising for extra parole and prison officers to help upgrade its botched management of quarantine hotels.

According to the state’s Police Minister Lisa Neville, using Corrections Victoria staff to oversee quarantine efforts is most appropriate because it’s their “bread and butter” work in terms of detaining people while also managing health and safety issues.

The corrections officers will receive more training for the hotel environment, she assured a 3AW Melbourne radio audience on Wednesday. Yet the rejected ADF personnel are trained, ready and available. Instead, the new ADF arrivals will be restricted to clinical testing duties and limited to 200 only of the additional 800 Commonwealth personnel agreed on this week to assist Victoria cope with the spike .

That’s even though Andrews' government was happy last week to announce its acceptance of the Morrison government’s offer of more than 1000 military, including many for quarantine duty after virus outbreaks due to hotel security failures became so obvious. Internal ructions and resistance from the Victorian police minister led to an embarrassing withdrawal of that announcement the same day, scaled back to a few hundred with no role in quarantine.

[url][https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/victoria-s-resistance-doesn-t-bear-comparison-20200701-p55846/url]

no thats not murdoch.

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Re: Best Premier?
Reply #23 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:09am

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:00am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:54am:

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:49am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:44am:

Gordon wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:35am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:28am:

Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this. Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is. I also think Gladys has done a good job with NSW - Her and Andrews appear to have put politics aside and are dealing with the interstate issues well, and with common sense. Qld,not too sure about - but I think a little less politics and some common sense between QLD AND NSW would not go astray. SA appear to be just about off the rails with common sense thrown out the window, with WA following a reasonable and logical path. Tassie you would think would be well protected but have gone a bit overboard I think locking the state down until December. In a state where tourism is the majority earner, I would have thought flexibility in decision making would have been a higher consideration - come January, they will really feel the loss of tourist dollars there. NT seem to be coping as only the NT can - they still have crocodile stories on the front cover of the NT News. Not sure about the ACT, dont really hear a lot from there

Sounds like Dan could stomp kittens to death live on TV and you'd still give him a pass.

No, I just acknowledge he is doing his best. I notice Gladys has made the same mistakes that Andrews has made, yet nothing said. Remember also, it wasn't Andrews that let the Ruby Princess dock with all those infected passengers

he had about two months notice regarding the fiasco of the Ruby Princess.....shows how much he learnt from others mistakes....... you can call the cruise ship into account all you like.... but to me that makes IT WORSE..that was is a HUGE LEARNING CURVE.

he learnt nothing...as the Premier he is head of everything and so far everything has been a debacle...

Yes, and he acted, just like every other state. Then we got hit by the second wave which other states are now experiencing. The biggest debacle to date has been the hotel quarantine fiascco, where he hired a company to provide those services which was on the FEDERAL GOVERNMENTTENDER LIST and as such he could expend money without having to public tender. That company, whgich the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT also used was found lacking. It still doesn't explain why the root cause of the problem, the Ruby Princess, was allowed to dock and Morrison refuses to allow his Ministers or Public Servants to comment

all I know is the minster in charge of the hiring is an ex union man and he picked the company because they were members of his preferred union.....at least on paper.....as we know the call went out for anyone to apply for the job.. even students got put on with half an hours training....thats on record...

someone has since said the security business needs a complete overhaul as its running wild right now....

how long did this fiasco gone on for before they realised what was going on????????...

seems to me the horse had bolted...

And this of course is a major problem that has been around ever since the concept of "outsourcing" started in the late 80s, when Government jobs where tendered out. We saw the rapid rise of Companies like SERCO, TRANSFIELD, P@O/DMS and a host of others who tendered for provision of government services against very badly written and expressed tender documents. The rise of these companies was made against reduction of government employees who used to do those jobs and we have ended up in situations like today where the services delivered are sub standard and governments are too scared to take those companies to court - they just pay them more money! I have seen this happen time and time again. The problem is, these companies get on Government preferred tender lists and as such, when a government body needs a particular service, they dont need to go to full tender to get those services

It doesn't matter for what reason a Minister picks a company to provide services, if they are on the list he can use them, and that goes for all sides of politics

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Reply #25 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:15am

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:06am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:58am:

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:54am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:50am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:41am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:28am:

Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this. Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.

You're the only person I know in Victoria
who is happy about Daniel Andrews.
The buck stops with him -
the quarantine was stuffed up when he could
have had ADF help which he refused.
We are now in 2nd much worse lockdown due to his appalling failures.

I ask in the name of God that he goes -
resigns - gets out.

To be replaced by whom? I suggest you also look up the ADF help supposedly offered and refused, that has been found to be somewhat lacking in it's veracity. When you understand the full process of the ADF being offered to work outside the terms of the Defence White Paper, you will know that a Minister can't just stand on the podium and "send in the troops". It is a far more involved process than the actions of an ill informed and inexperienced Minister

funny that didnt stop NSW from using the ADF at every opportunity....Morrison offered Andrews the ADF twice.....they were on standby and both times he refused them..... he mate had already lined up security the untrained lot.

That is not correct. Andrews actually ASKED for, and got, ADF support in Victoria, not the other way around. You are too blinkered by Murdoch. The Security used were also on an APPROVED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT tender list. Even Morrison used them.

read some facts vic

A grim-sounding Daniel Andrews concedes the “unacceptable” breakdown in infection control that occurred in Victoria’s quarantine hotels. That’s why he’s established a judicial inquiry to investigate what went wrong, he insists. But his absolute focus now, he argues, must be dealing with the challenges those breaches have created.

A drive-through testing station in the Melbourne lockdown suburb of Fawkner. Justin Mcmanus

Yet rather than learning from its failure, the Andrews government seems curiously resistant to using one of the most obvious resources immediately available to help address it – the Australian Defence Force. It won’t just be Victorians wondering why. The government’s answers are hardly persuasive.

Despite the standing offer from the Morrison government to provide many hundreds more military personnel, for example, the Andrews government is instead advertising for extra parole and prison officers to help upgrade its botched management of quarantine hotels.

According to the state’s Police Minister Lisa Neville, using Corrections Victoria staff to oversee quarantine efforts is most appropriate because it’s their “bread and butter” work in terms of detaining people while also managing health and safety issues.

The corrections officers will receive more training for the hotel environment, she assured a 3AW Melbourne radio audience on Wednesday. Yet the rejected ADF personnel are trained, ready and available. Instead, the new ADF arrivals will be restricted to clinical testing duties and limited to 200 only of the additional 800 Commonwealth personnel agreed on this week to assist Victoria cope with the spike .

That’s even though Andrews' government was happy last week to announce its acceptance of the Morrison government’s offer of more than 1000 military, including many for quarantine duty after virus outbreaks due to hotel security failures became so obvious. Internal ructions and resistance from the Victorian police minister led to an embarrassing withdrawal of that announcement the same day, scaled back to a few hundred with no role in quarantine.

[url][https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/victoria-s-resistance-doesn-t-bear-comparison-20200701-p55846/url]

no thats not murdoch.

Mr Andrews' office was working on a statement late on Tuesday to clarify that the Premier's comments to the inquiry were based "on his understanding" and the decisions about ADF were made without reference to any member of the Victorian cabinet.

The Premier also clarified comments at his daily press conference that Emergency Services Commissioner Andrew Crisp ordered 1000 ADF troops via an "open request model" and that they were not ordered by anyone in his government. That request was later withdrawn, and a new request for around 300 ADF troops was later made.

"You would need to speak to the person who made that request because it was not made by anybody in a position of authority within the Victorian government," he told the inquiry. "When he appears before you, you can speak to him about it."

Quizzed at the press conference Mr Andrews said: "[Mr Crisp] is not a member of Parliament, he is not a member of the government. He is a statutory officer."

https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/andrews-under-pressure-over

From the same source.

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Reply #26 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:21am

Redmond Neck wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:10am:

I think cods should front the Royal commission as she is obviously the expert on what happened.

I think there is a lot of misinformation, coverup at all levels of government and just plain panic going on. Most of the COVID deaths in Victoria are in Nursing Homes which are a FEDERAL responsibility and it has been extremely obvious that. Greg Hunt is way out of his depth to the point where Andrews has taken over the running of those homes because the Federal Government had no plan to deal with this - even though common sense would dictate that such establishments are constantly under threat of quick spreading medical events purely because of their occupants and the close proximity of residents couple with their age and in most cases frail condition.

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Reply #27 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:30am

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:09am:

And this of course is a major problem that has been around ever since the concept of "outsourcing" started in the late 80s, when Government jobs where tendered out. We saw the rapid rise of Companies like SERCO, TRANSFIELD, P@O/DMS and a host of others who tendered for provision of government services against very badly written and expressed tender documents. The rise of these companies was made against reduction of government employees who used to do those jobs and we have ended up in situations like today where the services delivered are sub standard and governments are too scared to take those companies to court - they just pay them more money! I have seen this happen time and time again. The problem is, these companies get on Government preferred tender lists and as such, when a government body needs a particular service, they dont need to go to full tender to get those services

It doesn't matter for what reason a Minister picks a company to provide services, if they are on the list he can use them, and that goes for all sides of politics

Exactly, Vic.

Here's an article I was just reading yesterday.

The spread of coronavirus in Australia is not the fault of individuals but a result of neoliberalism
-Richard Denniss

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/20/the-spread-of-coronavirus-...

Quote:

Neoliberalism is spreading coronavirus faster than any “reckless teenager” ever could. Privatised guards at quarantine hotels, private aged care centres that put profits ahead of staffing levels, and the fact that those in charge neglected to have their health professionals appropriately evaluate the risk of the Ruby Princess, are the major causes of Covid-19 transmissions and deaths in Australia.

Put simply, if Australia relied on a well-paid, well-trained and well-resourced public sector to protect us then there might have been no shutdown in Victoria, no restrictions on interstate travel and no forecast of double-digit unemployment. For decades, advocates of the outsourcing and privatisation of public services have boasted of the cost savings of doing so. Today, we are counting the cost. We will be counting it for years to come.

I totally agree.

But, back to the topic of best Premier - well, as I'm living in Perth I'd have to say of course that our own Mark McGowan has done a great job handling the COVID-19 crisis so far.

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Reply #28 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:37am

Mistakes have been made all around but in they were made early in the pandemic.

Nothing compares to the fuster cluck Dan Andrews presided over with the running of the hotels and the HUGE numbers in Vic are a reflection of the size of the stuffup.

Victoria's Health Department allowed hotel quarantine guests infected with coronavirus to leave as soon as three days after a positive test if they were not displaying symptoms.

Michael Tait, a nurse who worked for the program at the Crown Metropol hotel, said in his submission to Victoria's hotel quarantine inquiry on Thursday that "it seemed like the department did not care if COVID-19 patients just left the hotel and walked into the street".

https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/quarantine-guests-allowed-to-leave-hote...

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Re: Best Premier?
Reply #29 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:46am

Gordon wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:37am:

Mistakes have been made all around but in they were made early in the pandemic.

Nothing compares to the fuster cluck Dan Andrews presided over with the running of the hotels and the HUGE numbers in Vic are a reflection of the size of the stuffup.

Victoria's Health Department allowed hotel quarantine guests infected with coronavirus to leave as soon as three days after a positive test if they were not displaying symptoms.

Michael Tait, a nurse who worked for the program at the Crown Metropol hotel, said in his submission to Victoria's hotel quarantine inquiry on Thursday that "it seemed like the department did not care if COVID-19 patients just left the hotel and walked into the street".

https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/quarantine-guests-allowed-to-leave-hote...

The HUGE numbers in Victoria are a direct result of infections in Nursing Homes - which are Morrison's and the Coalition's balliwick. Take them out of the equation and the Covid infection rate in Vic s falling. I fully accept mistakes have been made - all states and territories have made them - but the restrictions put in place by Andrews are having a positive effect, we just need the Federal Government to do it's job in Vic AND NSW with respect to aged care facilities.

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