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Reply #60 - Sep 8th, 2020 at 5:42am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 7th, 2020 at 6:31pm:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 7th, 2020 at 6:17am:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 9:38pm:
Your entire argument boils down to the cost of reducing covid deaths compared to what we are prepared to spend on other deaths. But now that I have pointed out how absurdly wrong you are on the cost of preventing road deaths, you suddenly want to wait and see. You can think for yourself, right now. Give us a more realistic estimate of the cost to our economy of halving the speed limit. Or are you afraid to discover that the cost of covid restrictions is entirely proportional to the threat?



Incorrect and not what I'm saying at all

And yes we do put a price on a human life


According to you it was 0.01% of GDP to halve the speed limits. Would you like to try again?

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Currently the road traffic authorities value a life at 9 million dollars


How does that compare to covid?


i ll do some rough calculations.

so we agree 5 to 10 million to save a life on the road.

now to covid.

probably the vaccine wont work very well, and the very elderly are notorious for vaccines not working that well, so still a lot and maybe the majority of the elderly will be exposed.

if we let it rip, lets say we had 20,000  deaths over the course.

if we do the "death by a thousand cuts/death by a thousand lockdowns" and get some mild vaccine , we may cut that a bit (not a lot mind you).
maybe 15,000 die.

the cost so far would seem in the order of a trillion dollars and thats going to be a recurring cost because a lot of businesses will not come back in tourism and resturants etc.

so over the next 5 years maybe 2 or 3 trillion.


now your 5 million saves one young healthy 25 yo with their whole life in front of them

3 trillion for covid to save , maybe 5000 very frail elderly (in the majority of cases)
thats 600 million per life saved

(that maths is a bit above remedial) Cheesy

so roughly our spend is 120 times more then justified IF you value a 88 yo the same as a 25 yo.

but you are also ignoring my excellent posts on how diabetic, heart patients, cancer patients etc are not getting care.

so even before we start, that 2 to 3 trillion is effectively just a counter productive waste
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Reply #61 - Sep 8th, 2020 at 10:11pm
 
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so we agree 5 to 10 million to save a life on the road.


All we agree on is that this is the claim you made.

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now to covid.


Yes, now to covid. What's the comparison? You spent an aweful lot of rambling on not coming up with the goods. Yet back when you tried to tell us that halving the speed limit would only cost 0.01% of GDP, you were more than happy to make a direct comparison.

What changed to make you so afraid to take a cold hard look at the numbers? Is it that you realised it really is change you fear, not cost?
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