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Reply #30 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 1:07pm
 
I think the Medical World and Science have teamed up to clamp down on the Political, Religious and Military worlds that have primarily ruined this world into over-population, over-indulgence and total Pollution and Climate Change.
The effects of the Clamp-Down via a Virus that was the effect of all this... filthy way of life - just to give the above worlds that have done this for their 'own' gain a kick in the arse.
The effects are immediate as the world quickly tries to recuperate.

Don't find a cure. Keep the Lockdowns in place to some degree. Clean the World up.
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Reply #31 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 2:27pm
 
Ajax wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 9:13am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 4th, 2020 at 7:06am:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 3rd, 2020 at 5:06pm:
amazing article mech and from a reputable source.

lockdowns, lots of testing and closing borders make no statistical difference.

that actually makes sense for a respiratory virus which can not be controlled by those measures


Well actually it does make sense, as the virus doesn't move by itself, people move

As for the UK and Spain, given that they have higher infection rates you would assume that they would have better herd immunity. Clearly this shows that herd immunity is a poor option.


I agree with this.

The other thing is if we had no measures imagine the hysteria in the community because everyone would be looking after his or her arse.

Could be a case of sneeze and you'll be beaten to a pulp.

Sweden's case:

Cases Confirmed:........84985

Deaths:......................5835

%.............................6.8659%

Sweden Population:   10230000

To get to herd immunity they still need another

Deaths.....................696548


Herd immunity for Sweden costs:

Sweden Population:.....10230000

Current death rate........6.8659%

Total deaths.................702383

EXPENSIVE.................imo


nope,  thats wrong.

the death rate for covid will come in at under 1 %.
you can bank on that.

and it seems to start dying off when you get to about 20 % of the population testing positive.

thats what happened in sweden and florida and texas

it starts dropping way way way before you get to 60 or 70 % (the usual target for herd immunity).

it could be they arent testing enormous numbers of assymptomatic people or it could be that some people have inherent immunity based on exposure to other corona viruses or the TB vaxxine or god knows what.


but no way sweden has over 6 % case fatality.
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Reply #32 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 4:44pm
 
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Tanks scoot. It's a miracle.

Why do you think that controlling covid is analogous to reducing the speed limit to 20km/h rather than say, 100km/h? Were you unaware that we already had speed limits, or that they too have a real economic cost?
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Reply #33 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 4:56pm
 
I've seen people's skins flare up like burns victims with some of these Anti-Flu/Cold vacs they pump out.
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Reply #34 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 5:05pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 4:44pm:
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the death rate for covid will come in at under 1 %


Tanks scoot. It's a miracle.

Why do you think that controlling covid is analogous to reducing the speed limit to 20km/h rather than say, 100km/h? Were you unaware that we already had speed limits, or that they too have a real economic cost?


Amazing, it was 30% early on.

I was so wrong.
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Reply #35 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 5:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 4:44pm:
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the death rate for covid will come in at under 1 %


Tanks scoot. It's a miracle.

Why do you think that controlling covid is analogous to reducing the speed limit to 20km/h rather than say, 100km/h? Were you unaware that we already had speed limits, or that they too have a real economic cost?



The speed limit , if you halved it, would save some lives.

Mainly young productive lives.

The cost to the economy would be measurable.
Maybe .1 of a percent.

The cost of the covid shutdown in Italy and Spain and France is 12 to 14 %

In Sweden 8 %

And probably that level in Australia.

That's orders of magnitude higher in terms of the damage to the economy.

And you do that sort of damage to an economy and, I assure you , the damage to health will be massive.

You wait and see how many people you know who are going to go down from cancer that was neglected, from mental health.from stroke or heart diseasev
In 2 years, you'll know people destroyed.
I guarantee it.

I doubt you will know anyone who died from covid.
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Reply #36 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 5:25pm
 
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The speed limit , if you halved it, would save some lives.


As would doubling our covid restrictions.

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The cost to the economy would be measurable.
Maybe .1 of a percent.


You are making up crap. You have no idea what it costs the economy to have people spend so much of their lives sitting in road vehicles at a leisurely pace. You get hysterical about change, not cost. You are entirely comfortable with the very expensive life saving measures our society has already adopted. You are so comfortable you would rather tell yourself lies than acknowledge a reality you have become accustomed to.
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Reply #37 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 5:38pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 5:18pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 4:44pm:
Quote:
the death rate for covid will come in at under 1 %


Tanks scoot. It's a miracle.

Why do you think that controlling covid is analogous to reducing the speed limit to 20km/h rather than say, 100km/h? Were you unaware that we already had speed limits, or that they too have a real economic cost?



The speed limit , if you halved it, would save some lives.

Mainly young productive lives.

The cost to the economy would be measurable.
Maybe .1 of a percent.

The cost of the covid shutdown in Italy and Spain and France is 12 to 14 %

In Sweden 8 %

And probably that level in Australia.

That's orders of magnitude higher in terms of the damage to the economy.

And you do that sort of damage to an economy and, I assure you , the damage to health will be massive.

You wait and see how many people you know who are going to go down from cancer that was neglected, from mental health.from stroke or heart diseasev
In 2 years, you'll know people destroyed.
I guarantee it.

I doubt you will know anyone who died from covid.



Hear hear sir Aqua.

What Dan fails to recognise is that the economy is health.
Destroy the economy and you destroy health.

Dan has only 1 solution -
destroy the economy.
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Reply #38 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 6:00pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 5:38pm:
.........  Hear hear sir Aqua.

What Dan fails to recognise is that the economy is health.
Destroy the economy and you destroy health.

Dan has only 1 solution -
destroy the economy.



yes, you destroy peoples livelihood, their honourable struggle to live, their will.
It is totally sad.

When Vic reopens I am going there for a hollie in the highlands .
I went to NooJee and Mt Bawbaw a few year ago.

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Reply #39 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 6:21pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 5:25pm:
Quote:
The speed limit , if you halved it, would save some lives.


As would doubling our covid restrictions.

Quote:
The cost to the economy would be measurable.
Maybe .1 of a percent.


You are making up crap. You have no idea what it costs the economy to have people spend so much of their lives sitting in road vehicles at a leisurely pace. You get hysterical about change, not cost. You are entirely comfortable with the very expensive life saving measures our society has already adopted. You are so comfortable you would rather tell yourself lies than acknowledge a reality you have become accustomed to.



rubbish,

even reducing speeds outside schools probably saved a few 8 yo's (way more valuable then 88 yo's).
and having to slow down to 40 to go past a school would cost the GDP, .00000000000000000000001 %
if that.

covid has cost closer to 10 %.

do you even know what that means?

its all fine now whilst scomo is maxing out the credit card.

but , to get that in persepctive 1.5 % reduction in america after the GFC resulted in 2 million homeless people .

just the cost to VICTORIA of the lockdown is 5 billion a WEEK.

we had parliament debate whether NBN should go to the home and because it was going to cost an extra 10 billion we said NO.

and thats the cost of 1 state locking down for a fortnight.

i know many lefties cant do maths but they are going to learn quick smart next year when they are unceremoniously booted out of their homes and are living in a tent crapping in a portaloo.

and all so politicians could appear virtuos.
the media could make cash out of fear monering and
the big companies (coles woolies, netflix, google, amazon etc) could record record profits and demolish the opposition from small business which will NEVER recover.

in new york alone 5000 resturants are gone...forever.

and it will be the same for victoria.

meanwhile, maccas and uber eats (foreign) are doing just fine.

the whole over reaction is going to come back and bite people like you so hard, you'll be begging to come and camp on my property and grow a few turnips by the river  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #40 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 6:24pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 5:38pm:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 5:18pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 4:44pm:
Quote:
the death rate for covid will come in at under 1 %


Tanks scoot. It's a miracle.

Why do you think that controlling covid is analogous to reducing the speed limit to 20km/h rather than say, 100km/h? Were you unaware that we already had speed limits, or that they too have a real economic cost?



The speed limit , if you halved it, would save some lives.

Mainly young productive lives.

The cost to the economy would be measurable.
Maybe .1 of a percent.

The cost of the covid shutdown in Italy and Spain and France is 12 to 14 %

In Sweden 8 %

And probably that level in Australia.

That's orders of magnitude higher in terms of the damage to the economy.

And you do that sort of damage to an economy and, I assure you , the damage to health will be massive.

You wait and see how many people you know who are going to go down from cancer that was neglected, from mental health.from stroke or heart diseasev
In 2 years, you'll know people destroyed.
I guarantee it.

I doubt you will know anyone who died from covid.



Hear hear sir Aqua.

What Dan fails to recognise is that the economy is health.
Destroy the economy and you destroy health.

Dan has only 1 solution -
destroy the economy.



madness bobby.

we just had ONE nurse in western brisbane test positive and they sent home 120 nurses to quarantine (on compo) for 14 days.

thats going to cost lives for cancer patients, heart patients, mothers giving birth.

wards are closed.

insane over reaction
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Reply #41 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 6:37pm
 

SWEDEN


A land dark half the year, as dark as the very souls and thinking of its perpetually depressed thinkers surviving for generations under the shadow of Communism right across the way......a land from which Herr Dokteur Professor Viktor von Frankenstein III - great grand son of the original - fled after he realised the monster he had set loose with his invention of the Swedish Feminism Monster.. a creature cousin to the Windigo, once a man but now a demon with a heart and soul of ice which devours men without a thought and lays waste to families and reason. 

Viktor was last reported living in refuge inside the hereditary Grappler castle, where he has taken up residence in the wine cellar and consistently drinks out Colonel Professor Grappler's supply of fine whiskey and some fine wine.... his identical twin sister Viktoria, herself a foundation member of the Swedish KoenigerKulturischKommune (Swedish KKK) - a formation of women in Sweden with the ear of every politician - also fled and took refuge in Grappler Castle (Schloss Grappler) where she flirts shamelessly with Colonel Grappler and hopes one day to be his bride... Grappler, of course, considers that A Bride Too Far following his disastrous marriage, and holds his tongue - but not in all ways........ even a quiet tongue has its uses.......

No self-control that Victor... never did have any .... and Viktoria.. well.. what can you say?
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Reply #42 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 6:41pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 6:24pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 5:38pm:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 5:18pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 4:44pm:
Quote:
the death rate for covid will come in at under 1 %


Tanks scoot. It's a miracle.

Why do you think that controlling covid is analogous to reducing the speed limit to 20km/h rather than say, 100km/h? Were you unaware that we already had speed limits, or that they too have a real economic cost?



The speed limit , if you halved it, would save some lives.

Mainly young productive lives.

The cost to the economy would be measurable.
Maybe .1 of a percent.

The cost of the covid shutdown in Italy and Spain and France is 12 to 14 %

In Sweden 8 %

And probably that level in Australia.

That's orders of magnitude higher in terms of the damage to the economy.

And you do that sort of damage to an economy and, I assure you , the damage to health will be massive.

You wait and see how many people you know who are going to go down from cancer that was neglected, from mental health.from stroke or heart diseasev
In 2 years, you'll know people destroyed.
I guarantee it.

I doubt you will know anyone who died from covid.



Hear hear sir Aqua.

What Dan fails to recognise is that the economy is health.
Destroy the economy and you destroy health.

Dan has only 1 solution -
destroy the economy.



madness bobby.

we just had ONE nurse in western brisbane test positive and they sent home 120 nurses to quarantine (on compo) for 14 days.

thats going to cost lives for cancer patients, heart patients, mothers giving birth.

wards are closed.

insane over reaction



Madness has taken over.
It's now gone worldwide but is particularly severe in Australia.
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Reply #43 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 6:47pm
 
HTFU ya babies.
Times have never been so interesting and exciting.
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Reply #44 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 7:03pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 6:21pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 5:25pm:
Quote:
The speed limit , if you halved it, would save some lives.


As would doubling our covid restrictions.

Quote:
The cost to the economy would be measurable.
Maybe .1 of a percent.


You are making up crap. You have no idea what it costs the economy to have people spend so much of their lives sitting in road vehicles at a leisurely pace. You get hysterical about change, not cost. You are entirely comfortable with the very expensive life saving measures our society has already adopted. You are so comfortable you would rather tell yourself lies than acknowledge a reality you have become accustomed to.



rubbish,

even reducing speeds outside schools probably saved a few 8 yo's (way more valuable then 88 yo's).
and having to slow down to 40 to go past a school would cost the GDP, .00000000000000000000001 %
if that.

covid has cost closer to 10 %.

do you even know what that means?

its all fine now whilst scomo is maxing out the credit card.

but , to get that in persepctive 1.5 % reduction in america after the GFC resulted in 2 million homeless people .

just the cost to VICTORIA of the lockdown is 5 billion a WEEK.

we had parliament debate whether NBN should go to the home and because it was going to cost an extra 10 billion we said NO.

and thats the cost of 1 state locking down for a fortnight.

i know many lefties cant do maths but they are going to learn quick smart next year when they are unceremoniously booted out of their homes and are living in a tent crapping in a portaloo.

and all so politicians could appear virtuos.
the media could make cash out of fear monering and
the big companies (coles woolies, netflix, google, amazon etc) could record record profits and demolish the opposition from small business which will NEVER recover.

in new york alone 5000 resturants are gone...forever.

and it will be the same for victoria.

meanwhile, maccas and uber eats (foreign) are doing just fine.

the whole over reaction is going to come back and bite people like you so hard, you'll be begging to come and camp on my property and grow a few turnips by the river  Grin Grin Grin


Consider a worker who spends 8 hours a day at the office, plus half an hour each way commuting. That's a 9 hour work day, assuming he would not sit in a car for an hour a day just for fun if he had no need. That's over 11% of the time he didicates to work spent sitting in a car obeying the speed limit. If we take this person as representative, that means that sitting in cars costs 11% of GDP. And that is just one component - labour productivity. Chances are the products that person makes at work then goes and sits in traffic too.

And you think that halving speed limits would cost 0.1% of GDP? You have no clue.

I can think of three things we do more than sitting in a car - sleeping, working and studying. Maybe watching TV, depending on the person. You think that costs nothing, but this is only because you are afraid of change and only consider the cost of change. The price you pay every day does not even register with you. You get hysterical about change, then look for a cost to justify your hysteria. You cling to the status quo, and lie to yourself about that cost so you don't have to face reality.
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