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going better then most european countries

The nation's GDP fell 8.6% during the three-month period ending in June, according to preliminary figures from Statistics Sweden. Yet, Sweden's economic decline, while dreadful, outpaced that of many other European countries.

"The decrease in GDP is the largest single quarter drop in the directly comparable time series starting 1980," the government agency said in a release.

David Oxley, senior Europe economist at Capital Economics, said that the sharp contraction of the Swedish economy during the second quarter "confirms that it has not been immune to COVID, despite the government's well-documented light-touch lockdown."

Sweden's relaxed approach to the coronavirus pandemic has resulted in global scrutiny. Unlike most countries in the world, Sweden didn't order a strict lockdown. Instead of closing down its economy, the country issued comparatively light restrictions — banning gatherings of over 50 people and otherwise asking people to maintain social distancing as best they can.



Spain's economy recorded the highest decline among the 27 European Union members during the second quarter, its GDP fell 18.5% compared to the previous quarter.

Its neighbors Portugal (14.1%) and France (13.8%) experienced similarly large contractions of their respective economies during the second quarter. Even Germany, the continent's largest economy, recorded a double-digit drop (10.1%) when compared to the first three months of the year.

The EU as a whole saw its GDP decline 11.9% during the past quarter as the virus spread across the continent

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Reply #1 - Aug 7th, 2020 at 1:53pm
 
Lol, economically not as bad, but health?
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Reply #2 - Aug 7th, 2020 at 2:21pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 7th, 2020 at 1:53pm:
Lol, economically not as bad, but health?



early days yet.

we are pulling the band aid off slowly to prolong the suffering
they just got it over and done with.
we are 100 m into a marathon.

lets see who has a more cohesive society in 12 months
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Reply #3 - Aug 7th, 2020 at 4:09pm
 
You never give up do you Aqua
Thats about 1000 posts now where you have said exactly the same thing
I think you are a little obsessed
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Reply #4 - Aug 7th, 2020 at 4:12pm
 
Sweden’s unusual coronavirus strategy has not resulted in significant economic gains, data indicates, and has instead left the country with a far deadlier outbreak than its Nordic neighbours.

Sweden never issued a formal lockdown in response to the coronavirus pandemic. Instead, the country’s coronavirus model has relied on personal responsibility and encourages citizens to stay home when they’re sick and maintain social distancing when in public. Most businesses, restaurants, bars, and schools have remained open, though gatherings of more than 50 people were banned in late March.

Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven defended the policy as “common sense” that allowed the country to maintain the status quo.

But the unconventional strategy has faced some pushback from experts, who have said the policy, in hindsight, “maybe hasn’t been the smartest in every respect.”

Jacob Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington, told The New York Times in an article this week that even though industries remained largely open and unchanged, Sweden did not see significant economic gains.

“They literally gained nothing,” Kirkegaard said. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-coronavirus-strategy-high-death-toll-n...


Oh dear, so they sacrificed thousands of lives but had no economic gains from their stratagy
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Reply #5 - Aug 7th, 2020 at 5:36pm
 
So the Swedish Politicians said "We have all these rules of advice and procedures. But as you Swedish people are 'free', it's up to you how bad our infection and economy will be."

It's interesting how many different nations and their actions are having different types of infection, some fast spreading, other's take a higher death toll, etc.
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Reply #6 - Aug 7th, 2020 at 8:37pm
 
The virus isn't going anywhere, people either die now or they die in a few months, as long as the hospitals are not full and i can't see that happening in oz then that has to be better than endless lock downs resulting in untold destruction in many ways, if NSW gets locked down we may as well give up the ghost.
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Reply #7 - Sep 3rd, 2020 at 7:41am
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 7th, 2020 at 1:46pm:
The nation's GDP fell 8.6% during the three-month period ending in June, according to preliminary figures from Statistics Sweden.


Yet Australia fell 7%

So Sweden, with a population about the same as Australia, didn't have a full shut down and as a result had 6,000 deaths.

Yet still had a worse economic outcome than Australia

It's interesting to note that generally the places with the worst covid death toll  also ended up with the worst economic outcomes.
Proof that this isn't a case of saving lives OR saving the economy. The economy is going to tank worse if we let covid-19 rip through.
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Reply #8 - Sep 3rd, 2020 at 9:15am
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 7th, 2020 at 2:21pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 7th, 2020 at 1:53pm:
Lol, economically not as bad, but health?



early days yet.


Exactly. 

So why are you making claims already?

Oh right, we know why.
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As their history also tells us, Swedes are not given to mass hysteria, fear, or believing in hasty actions. So, when COVID-19 appeared they examined the threat and dealt with it calmly and logically. Unlike the U.S. and other industrialized countries, they did not lock down their country. Instead, the Swedish government simply banned meetings of more than 50, asked citizens to use social distancing, and asked senior citizens to avoid contact with others as much as they could. Masks were not required or even suggested. Instead, Swedes were asked to exercise, work, keep their businesses open, and lead their lives as if they were experiencing an annual flu season. Schools, shops, restaurants, and industry remained open.

Despite the admiration the media and progressive politicians have for Sweden’s quasi-socialist economy, often urging us to “be more like Sweden,” in this case they savagely lambasted the Swedes as being a danger to themselves and others for not following the advice of medical experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci and vaccine experts like Bill Gates.(expert?) Their selected data analysts also predicted Sweden would suffer an enormous death rate, become a dangerous COVID-19 hot spot and economically implode.

As headlines collected by The Epoch Times newspaper show, the U.S. media has been savage in their criticism of Sweden’s no-lockdown policy:

Sweden becomes an example of how not to handle COVID-19, CBS News
Lack of Lockdown Increased COVID-19 Deaths in Sweden, U of V Newsroom
Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale, New York Times
Sweden Stayed Open And More People Died Of Covid-19, But The Real Reason May Be Something Darker, Forbes
Sweden hoped herd immunity would curb COVID-19. Don’t do what we did. It’s not working. USA Today

Sweden’s coronavirus death toll is now approaching zero, but experts are warning others not to hail it as a success, Business Insider
Lack of COVID-19 Lockdown Increased Deaths in Sweden, Analysis Conclude, Virginia.edu
Sweden COVID-19 Deaths Linked to Failure to Lockdown as Country Prepares for Second Wave, Newsweek
Sweden Tries Out a New Status: Pariah State, New York Times
On the other hand, sources more credible than the U.S. mainstream media are far less dire with their analyses of nations that did not lock themselves down. An article in The Evening Standard (UK) has that attitude. It describes a study in the Lancet’s online journal EClinicalMedicine:

Lockdowns made little difference in the number of people who die from coronavirus, a study has claimed.  Researchers from the University of Toronto and the University of Texas found that whether a country was locked down or not was “not associated” with the COVID-19 death

   “Experts compared mortality rates and cases in 50 badly-hit countries up until May 1 and calculated that only 33 out of every million people had died from the virus… The study found that imposing lockdown measures succeeded in stopping hospitals from becoming overwhelmed, but it did not translate into a significant reduction in death rates.

“Government actions such as border closures, full lockdowns, and a high rate of COVID-19 testing were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality.”

Whatever differing studies, opinions, and statistics may conclude, the graph below shows the effect that Sweden’s no-lockdown policy has had on the actual number of Swedes who died of COVID-19.

Now approaching zero, the Swedish death rate due to COVID-19 is lower than that of Britain, Spain, and Belgium – all of which locked down. The virus is definitely not raging out of control in Sweden and, in fact, Sweden would have done even better if its national healthcare system had not rationed medical treatment for nursing home patients in the first months of the year, a problem rarely mentioned by U.S. media or progressive critics. Sweden, to its credit, quickly increased its national healthcare system’s limits for seniors.

What did Sweden’s doctors understand before their government decided on a no lockdown policy? The Swedish medical establishment, unlike ours, recognized that COVID-19 is just another member of the flu virus family, whether modified by Chinese laboratories or not. The difference is that the new virus is more communicable, but not more deadly. They reasoned that a lockdown would, therefore, be counter-productive and not lead to the “herd immunity” that occurs naturally when people are exposed to the virus in everyday activities, as has happened in every “flu season” around the world since the 1918 epidemic. Of course, exposure to any flu virus can be particularly dangerous to the elderly or those with existing conditions such as obesity, diabetes, heart problems, and asthma.

This is shown in graphs created by J.Kim and posted on 4 August on the Maalamalama news site under “pandemic lockdowns.”  The graphs are from data by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Folkhälsomyndigheten, the Public Health Agency of Sweden.

The first graph (below) compares Sweden’s mortality rate for COVID-19 to the U.S. mortality rate for the common flu. In the group of all ages younger than 60, the Swedish mortality rate of COVID-19 was less than 1/3rd of the American mortality rate for the common flu!  And, unlike the U.S. common flu mortality rate in the 60-79 age group, the vast majority of Sweden’s COVID-19 deaths occurred in those older than 80!

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Reply #10 - Sep 3rd, 2020 at 2:43pm
 
https://andmagazine.com/talk/2020/08/11/sweden-lockdown-facts-fauci-wont-tell-yo...

Sweden: Lockdown Facts Fauci Won’t Tell You

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Reply #11 - Sep 3rd, 2020 at 5:06pm
 
amazing article mech and from a reputable source.

lockdowns, lots of testing and closing borders make no statistical difference.

that actually makes sense for a respiratory virus which can not be controlled by those measures
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Reply #12 - Sep 3rd, 2020 at 5:53pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 3rd, 2020 at 2:41pm:
[quote][b] As their history also tells us, Swedes are not given to mass hysteria, fear, or believing in hasty actions. So, when COVID-19 appeared they examined the threat and dealt with it calmly and logically. Unlike the U.S. and other industrialized countries, they did not lock down their country. Instead, the Swedish government simply banned meetings of more than 50, asked citizens to use social distancing, and asked senior citizens to avoid contact with others as much as they could. Masks were not required or even suggested. Instead, Swedes were asked to exercise, work, keep their businesses open, and lead their lives as if they were experiencing an annual flu season. Schools, shops, restaurants, and industry remained open.

Despite the admiration the media and progressive politicians have for Sweden’s quasi-socialist economy, often urging us to “be more like Sweden,” in this case they savagely lambasted the Swedes as being a danger to themselves and others for not following the advice of medical experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci and vaccine experts like Bill Gates.(expert?) Their selected data analysts also predicted Sweden would suffer an enormous death rate, become a dangerous COVID-19 hot spot and economically implode.

As headlines collected by The Epoch Times newspaper show, the U.S. media has been savage in their criticism of Sweden’s no-lockdown policy:

Sweden becomes an example of how not to handle COVID-19, CBS News
Lack of Lockdown Increased COVID-19 Deaths in Sweden, U of V Newsroom
Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale, New York Times
Sweden Stayed Open And More People Died Of Covid-19, But The Real Reason May Be Something Darker, Forbes
Sweden hoped herd immunity would curb COVID-19. Don’t do what we did. It’s not working. USA Today

Sweden’s coronavirus death toll is now approaching zero, but experts are warning others not to hail it as a success, Business Insider
Lack of COVID-19 Lockdown Increased Deaths in Sweden, Analysis Conclude, Virginia.edu
Sweden COVID-19 Deaths Linked to Failure to Lockdown as Country Prepares for Second Wave, Newsweek
Sweden Tries Out a New Status: Pariah State, New York Times
On the other hand, sources more credible than the U.S. mainstream media are far less dire with their analyses of nations that did not lock themselves down. An article in The Evening Standard (UK) has that attitude. It describes a study in the Lancet’s online journal EClinicalMedicine:

Lockdowns made little difference in the number of people who die from coronavirus, a study has claimed.  Researchers from the University of Toronto and the University of Texas found that whether a country was locked down or not was “not associated” with the COVID-19 death

   “Experts compared mortality rates and cases in 50 badly-hit countries up until May 1 and calculated that only 33 out of every million people had died from the virus… The study found that imposing lockdown measures succeeded in stopping hospitals from becoming overwhelmed, but it did not translate into a significant reduction in death rates.

“Government actions such as border closures, full lockdowns, and a high rate of COVID-19 testing were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality.”

Whatever differing studies, opinions, and statistics may conclude, the graph below shows the effect that Sweden’s no-lockdown policy has had on the actual number of Swedes who died of COVID-19.

Now approaching zero, the Swedish death rate due to COVID-19 is lower than that of Britain, Spain, and Belgium – all of which locked down.
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I was totally wrong
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Reply #13 - Sep 3rd, 2020 at 6:00pm
 
I know the Earth as a planet has regained it's health somewhat thanks to the Lock Down. It needs to - there will be the devastation of World War up ahead to deal with.

Rural and Regional areas are prospering. Cities are not.
Very Australian that.  Wink

So if the Planet is doing better, then a Lock Down is the best measure.




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Reply #14 - Sep 4th, 2020 at 7:06am
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 3rd, 2020 at 5:06pm:
amazing article mech and from a reputable source.

lockdowns, lots of testing and closing borders make no statistical difference.

that actually makes sense for a respiratory virus which can not be controlled by those measures


Well actually it does make sense, as the virus doesn't move by itself, people move

As for the UK and Spain, given that they have higher infection rates you would assume that they would have better herd immunity. Clearly this shows that herd immunity is a poor option.
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