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Reply #75 - Aug 8th, 2020 at 2:11pm
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animals_aboard_the_RMS_Titanic

Oh 😢 ..... reading about the pets...and the story of Frou Frou .. poor little darlings... how’s one female refusing to leave her pet... and her body was seen holding a big shaggy dog.
Now I’m tearing up... back later.
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Reply #76 - Aug 9th, 2020 at 9:07am
 
Here's a couple more I found of the SS Maheno
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Reply #77 - Aug 9th, 2020 at 9:08am
 
A few years after beaching
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Reply #78 - Aug 9th, 2020 at 9:09am
 
last one
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Reply #79 - Aug 9th, 2020 at 1:46pm
 
Wow, what an excellent find Gnads!
It’s incredible.
What a shame it was used for practice bombing during the war.
Pulverised it a lot until it was classified and protected.

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Reply #80 - Aug 10th, 2020 at 9:57am
 
Great pictures, Gnads.
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Reply #81 - Aug 10th, 2020 at 3:09pm
 
Inside the Lermontov, but not deep within. I drift into the Cinema - on its side, like the Wreck. The chairs mostly still in place. I drift along side of them - a wall of chairs just a metre away. Some Divers ahead of me, some behind me. I'm careful not to 'silt up' the Cinema room, as I hover momentary next to a chair that still holds it's bottom imprint from years of use pre-sinking.

Long ago. A Russian Warship came to New Zealand when it was a young Colonial/Maori existence. They ordered submission or bombardment. The New Zealanders had to comply and put up provisions freely.
Not so long ago. Russian ship the Lermontov is given a notoriously drunken reputational Pilot to steer the ship through the Malborough Sounds. Of course he takes a short cut so he can dock and get his next drink and damages the ship where it limps into a sound to sink eventually.
Karma.

I slide along a ladder in a passage and come into the room of dolls. A haunting place where many tiny dolls are strewn about in this room. Some, their heads or arms detached. Not many divers linger here for some reason. Nor did I and kicked my fins gently to move along into another part of the Wreck. Where outside - I drift by a very tall wall of very well preserved wooden decking. Visibility allows me to see a wall that is shrouded in both directions along the 117m length of the big wreck. Strange being near such a big wall, that was once a deck. Through the wall, I hear and feel a creaking of metal as maybe some part of the wreck has collapsed.
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Reply #82 - Aug 10th, 2020 at 5:01pm
 
Intriguing!
Such awe and mysteries of the deep blue....
Love your descriptions JaSin.
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Reply #83 - Aug 10th, 2020 at 5:40pm
 
SS Morro Castle (1930)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Morro_Castle_(1930)

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SS Morro Castle was an American ocean liner of the 1930s that was built for the Ward Line for voyages between New York City and Havana, Cuba. The ship was named for the Morro Castle fortress that guards the entrance to Havana Bay. On the morning of September 8, 1934, en route from Havana to New York, the ship caught fire and burned, killing 137 passengers and crew members. Morro Castle eventually beached herself near Asbury Park, New Jersey, and remained there for several months until she was towed off and scrapped.


Another terrible ship disaster that could have been avoided.

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As far as the materials used in her construction were concerned, the elegant (but highly flammable) decor of the ship—veneered wooden surfaces and glued ply paneling helped the fire to spread quickly.


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The structure of the ship also created a number of problems. Although the ship had fire doors, there existed a wood-lined, six-inch opening between the wooden ceilings and the steel bulkheads. This provided the fire with a flammable pathway that bypassed the fire doors, enabling it to spread.

Whereas the ship had electric sensors that could detect fires in any of the ship's staterooms, crew quarters, offices, cargo holds and engine room, there were no such detectors in the ship's lounges, dance hall, writing room, library, tea room, or dining room.

Although there were 42 water hydrants on board, the system was designed with the assumption that no more than six would ever have to be used at any one time. When the emergency aboard the Morro Castle occurred, the crew opened virtually all working hydrants, dropping the water pressure to unusable levels everywhere.

The ship's Lyle gun, which is designed to fire a line to another ship to facilitate passenger evacuation in an emergency, was stored over the Morro Castle's writing room, which is where the fire originated. The Lyle gun exploded just before 3 a.m., further spreading the fire and breaking windows, thereby allowing the near gale force winds to enter the ship and fan the flames.

Finally, fire alarms on the ship produced a "muffled, scarcely audible ring", according to passengers


Fire at sea. I wouldn't like to be in that situation. Especially at night in bad weather as was the case with Morro Castle.

SS Morro Castle after the fire; photo taken from the seaward end of the Asbury Park Convention Hall pier, November 1934 (from the Wikipedia article).

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Reply #84 - Aug 25th, 2020 at 5:14pm
 
SS Norwich City

The Long Farewell of the Norwich City

https://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/Bulletins/80_LongFarewell/...

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On the night of November 29, 1929 the British freighter SS Norwich City ran hard aground on the reef at Gardner Island (now Nikumaroro). The accident and its aftermath took the lives of eleven crewmen and left twenty-four survivors stranded on the island until rescue ships arrived four days later. Epic as it is, our focus here is not the human story but rather the lessons inherent in the physical breakdown of the vessel. The ship’s deterioration over the years provides a model for what happens to a man-made structure exposed to the elements on that reef.


The Norwich City may also have a connection with Amelia Earhart and her 1937 disappearance. Many researchers believe she landed on the beach at Gardner Island (now called Nikumaroro Island) after she and her navigator, Fred Noonan, couldn't find Howland Island where they were supposed to land and she sent out distress calls for nearly a week afterwards.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/07/24/amelia-earhart-birthday-distress-...

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Amelia Earhart, in her Lockheed Electra plane, sits surrounded by knee-deep water, marooned on the reef of Gardner Island with her seriously injured navigator, Fred Noonan.

She waits for the tides to lessen before sending out yet another distress signal.

It's July 2, 1937, just hours after Earhart’s plane disappeared over the Pacific Ocean on the most challenging leg of her flight around the globe — the 2,227 nautical mile trip from Lae, New Guinea to Howland Island.

“Plane down on an uncharted island. Small, uninhabited,” she calls out, a signal, apparently only heard by Texas housewife Mabel Larremore who had stumbled upon the message from Earhart while scanning her home radio.


I'm not sure if the following was heard by the same Texas housewife or someone else but in one of the supposed messages from Amelia Earhart she apparently said something that sounded like New York City, its quite possible she was saying Norwich City (the wreck close to where she landed) but no-one figured it out at the time, unfortunately.

This is also quite fascinating, what's become known as the 'Bevington Object'.

https://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/Bulletins/82_BevingtonAnal...

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In October 1937, as the Royal Colony Ship Nimanoa stood to sea after a three-day visit to Gardner Island, Colonial Service Cadet Officer Eric Bevington snapped one last picture of the atoll and the shipwreck that dominated its western shoreline. The small British expedition was evaluating the islands of the uninhabited Phoenix Group for possible future settlement. Gardner had been the first stop. It was bigger than expected and judged to be an acceptable site for a village and coconut plantation.
Unbeknownst to Bevington, his photo of the shoreline captured something sticking up out of the water on the island’s fringing reef. First noticed by TIGHAR forensic imaging expert Jeff Glickman in 2010 during a routine review of historical photos, the object appears to be man-made.


I've attached a picture from another website because the smaller one in the article doesn't show the object too clearly.

Robert Ballard, the man famous for finding the wreck of Titanic conducted a search a year ago but unfortunately couldn't find any trace of the plane.

https://www.livescience.com/robert-ballard-does-not-find-amelia-earhart-plane.ht...





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Reply #85 - Aug 25th, 2020 at 5:25pm
 
Last apparently transmitted message from Amelia ...

The words "This is Amelia Earhart!" were repeated several times, followed by broken transmissions of two people arguing, cries for help and "Water's knee deep!"
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Reply #86 - Nov 28th, 2022 at 11:57pm
 
Hi, Sophia (Lols).

Just to prove Xavier (JaSin.) isn't the only one who can resurrect old threads.  Cool

Found these great animations of Titanic on YouTube.

This is a new one by Jared Owen Animations - What's inside the Titanic.



An animation of Titanic's 2 main reciprocating engines which drove the 'wing' propellers - the Parsons low pressure turbine (which used the 'leftover' steam from the 2 main engines before any remaining steam was returned to the condensers, converted back to water and used again in the boilers) and drove the centre propeller in front of the rudder isn't shown.



That one has no sound, by the way.

Might be better to watch them on YouTube because they won't show full screen here on the forum (well, I can't get them to show full screen in Firefox anyway).




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Reply #87 - Nov 29th, 2022 at 10:43am
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 11:57pm:
Hi, Sophia (Lols).

Just to prove Xavier (JaSin.) isn't the only one who can resurrect old threads.  Cool

Found these great animations of Titanic on YouTube.

This is a new one by Jared Owen Animations - What's inside the Titanic.



An animation of Titanic's 2 main reciprocating engines which drove the 'wing' propellers - the Parsons low pressure turbine (which used the 'leftover' steam from the 2 main engines before any remaining steam was returned to the condensers, converted back to water and used again in the boilers) and drove the centre propeller in front of the rudder isn't shown.



That one has no sound, by the way.

Might be better to watch them on YouTube because they won't show full screen here on the forum (well, I can't get them to show full screen in Firefox anyway).


Thank you! I’m glad you did a resurrection… one of my all time fave topics in shipwrecks is the Titanic!
I have big fancy pop up books on Titanic.
We can never learn enough about this ship and all that happened.
It makes me teary when I think of how frightful it must’ve been on that fateful night.
As I’ve sailed in many ocean liners… first thing is we all must go to our assigned muster areas with life jackets. It was thanks to the tragedy of the titanic this safety drill was put into place.
Only recently… the crew now electronically mark you down as having attended…. as many in past didn’t bother. So there’s a fine or something for those that don’t attend the safety drill. The crew even go around to each stateroom looking for anyone hiding out.

Crazy isn’t it? Some will never learn from something tragic like the sinking of the Titanic to appreciate safety precautions put into place in current times for our benefit.
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Reply #88 - Nov 29th, 2022 at 11:15am
 
Hey, Sophia.

I was just looking again at the Jared Owen animation and it shows just how long the propeller shafts really are.

The second animation (Double Vision) shows a 'shortened' version of the shafts because I assume the animator didn't want to waste screen 'real estate' just to show the entire shaft lengths.

On the wreck today you can see only see the 2 'wing' propellers half buried in the mud and that's only because the 2 outer shafts were bent up by about 20 degrees when the stern section of Titanic slammed into the ocean floor.

The centre propeller is deeply buried in the mud and can't be seen. In fact, there's been some controversy over the past 15 years as to whether the ship had a 3 or 4 bladed centre propeller after a long lost builders notebook was found.

The mystery of Titanic's central propeller

The Jared Owen animation shows a 4 bladed centre propeller.

I don't think the day will ever come when anyone can truthfully say they know everything about the Titanic.
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Reply #89 - Nov 29th, 2022 at 2:11pm
 
Actually, all of this reminds me that I haven't watched the Leonardo and Kate 3 hour Titanic epic for a while.

The iceberg collision and initial flooding scenes were especially well done for 1997.



One thing that has always made me cringe is towards the end of that video clip when the watertight doors are closing and men are scrambling to get under them before they close (with a couple of close calls too) and then we see men who didn't make it looking around in panic not knowing what to do and the audience probably thinking they are going to drown.

While this makes for a bit of 'dramatic cinema' all those men needed to do was climb up the escape ladders to the deck above. Even ship designers back in those days knew there could be situations where individual compartments had to be sealed off quickly and escape ladders were needed.

In fact, after the collision the workers in the 2 flooding forward boiler rooms climbed up the ladders and waited for orders for what to do next - and those orders were to climb back down and start putting out the fires in the boilers which is what a couple of men are doing in the attached image below from the 1958 Titanic movie A Night To Remember which shows shipbuilder Thomas Andrews (played by Michael Goodliffe) on one of these escape ladders in one of the flooding boiler rooms - he's the one on the right and the expression on his face says it all after he's surveyed the damage and realises the ship is doomed.

The actual dialogue from that scene was:

Chief Engineer Joseph Bell: "Anything more you want to see?"
Thomas Andrews: "No. (turns his head and looks around) Chief, I'd get those men up as soon as you can".
Joseph Bell: "Yes, I'll... I'll do that, Mr. Andrews".

The other thing from the James Cameron epic in the video clip is when First Officer William Murdoch closes the watertight doors from the bridge and an indicator panel lights up showing when the doors have closed (this is also in A Night To Remember and other Titanic movies).

Turns out there was no such lighted indicator panel on the Titanic. One was retrofitted to the Olympic after the Titanic disaster and one was also fitted to Britannic, the 3rd sister.

There was just a single lever on the bridge to close the watertight doors on the Titanic... and still today no one is absolutely sure exactly where it was located. Oh, and there was a button next to the lever to sound warning bells to let those down below know that the doors were about to close (and Murdoch waited about 10 seconds between sounding the bells and moving the lever to close the doors - he didn't do both at the same time as shown in the film clip).

And that lever only closed about 12 "automatic" doors at the very bottom of the ship as you see in the video clip. The rest - about 20 or 30 throughout the ship from memory - all had to be closed by hand. Some were, some weren't and some were even closed then opened again later (including some of the "automatic" doors in the engine compartments and unflooded boiler rooms) to run hoses and pipes when the engineers were trying to rig extra pumps.
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