Another Socialist knocker and mocker who knows very very little about hydrogen cars. Quite normal as they resent anything they did not think of. The Not Invented Here (NIH) syndrome tinged with a dash of jealousy.

The hydrogen storage thing was solved by Toyota some years ago. It is NOT liquid hydrogen at all.

LPG cars have been running around for quite some years now with no problems.

The dead end dud electrical inconveniences have a heavy Lithium Ion battery which is prone to explode in a fiery inferno releasing clouds of poisonous gas during charging or subject to a sudden jolt.

The simple FACT that hydrogen buses and trains and trucks etc are being increasingly used around the world to cut pollution is surely testament that they are quite safe.

In the mean time the rest of the enlightened world including Australia rushes to embrace the pollution free hydrogen Energy Revolution.

The simple reason hydrogen is the favorite choice is because hydrogen can be used to replace polluting diesel trucks and produce the same or more HP and the same or more range with quick refuel.

No little mousepower dangerous unsafe Lithium Ion battery can do that. But Socialists are generally technically agnostic.

Suitably ticked off ajax whimpers a few excuses. But he is forgiven for not knowing everything as the Hydrogen Energy Revolution is creeping up everywhere all around the world and most people misled by Greeny and GetUp! and Musky propaganda are not even aware of it.

The simple driving force around the world is POLLUTION in the big cities caused largely by diesel pollution especially from big trucks moving freight.

The ONLY thing holding Hydrogen back is simply infrastructure. The truck impetus will accelerate the hydrogen infrastructure and once it is established then hydrogen cars will follow as the dangerous unsafe pollution spewing electric inconveniences go into the junk yards just like back in the 1800's.

Hydrogen infrastructure now is at the same stage that petrol and diesel infrastructure was back in the 1800's after the invention of the starter motor which spelled the death of the electric cars at that time.

Nowadays hydrogen is stored at pressure in the vehicle tanks just like LPG. The tanks are not metal and are a special design perfected by Toyota.

For export to Japan and Sth Korea hydrogen is converted to ammonia which is easily handled and then converted back for use.


How the HUGE Hydrogen fuel and export industry is taking place in Australia. It is BIG and worth billions!!!



And SA is going full bore getting its hydrogen economy going.

Hydrogen Park South Australia Takes Shape
17 Apr 2020  by Joanna Sampson   

Australia’s largest renewable gas project Hydrogen Park South Australia (Hyp SA) is starting to take shape.



Based at the Tonsley Innovation District in Adelaide, the $11.4m demonstration project, delivered and funded by Australian Gas Networks (AGN), will produce renewable hydrogen using water and renewable electricity through electrolysis from mid-2020.

The project will demonstrate the feasibility of blending hydrogen into the South Australian gas network and inform the South Australian Government’s planning to transition the gas distribution network.

AGN will supply more than 700 properties in the nearby suburb of Mitchell Park with a blend of 5% renewable hydrogen in natural gas, delivered through the existing gas network.

Australian energy and infrastructure services company Valmec is currently completing the concrete works for the electrolyser shed slab foundation and the stand-alone foundations for the balance of plant supporting packages.

The next phase of the project involves the construction of the electrolyser shed and the positioning of supporting packages on the foundations.

Once operational, the facility is set to produce renewable hydrogen by mid-2020, for blending with natural gas, and supply to nearby properties via the existing gas network as part of a five-year demonstration.

https://www.world-energy.org/article/8405.html



Now how hydrogen is stored on a vehicle.


HYDROGEN COMPRESSED STORED GAS



Compressed hydrogen in hydrogen tanks at 350 bar (5,000 psi) and 700 bar (10,000 psi) is used for mobile hydrogen storage in hydrogen vehicles. It is used as a fuel gas.

Compressed hydrogen is a storage form where hydrogen gas is kept under pressures to increase the storage density. Compressed hydrogen in hydrogen tanks at 350 bar (5,000 psi) and 700 bar (10,000 psi) is used for hydrogen tank systems in vehicles, based on type IV carbon-composite technology. Car manufacturers have been developing this solution, such as Honda or Nissan.

Hydrogen gas has good energy density by weight, but poor energy density by volume versus hydrocarbons, hence it requires a larger tank to store. A large hydrogen tank will be heavier than the small hydrocarbon tank used to store the same amount of energy, all other factors remaining equal. Increasing gas pressure would improve the energy density by volume, making for smaller, but not lighter container tanks. Compressed hydrogen is estimated to cost about 2.1% of the energy content to power the compressor for a large scale underground facility such as an underground cavern or aquifer from 1 to 200 bar. Higher compression without energy recovery will mean more energy lost to the compression step. Compressed hydrogen storage can exhibit very low permeation.

The first type IV hydrogen tanks for compressed hydrogen at 700 bars (70 MPa; 10,000 psi) were demonstrated in 2001, the first fuel cell vehicles on the road with type IV tanks are the Toyota FCHV, Mercedes-Benz F-Cell and the GM HydroGen4.

Various applications have allowed the development of different H2 storage scenarios. Recently, the Hy-Can consortium has introduced a small one liter, 10 bars (1.0 MPa; 150 psi) format. Horizon Fuel Cells is now selling a refillable 3 megapascals (30 bar; 440 psi) metal hydride form factor for consumer use called HydroStik.



http://www.change-climate.com/Renewables/Hydrogen_Compressed_Gas_Storage_Technol...

Thanks Juliar for proving my point.

You will be sitting on a cryogenic bomb......!

70 bar that is equivalent to approximately 70 atmospheres at -240 degrees Celsius.

I have always considered LPG tanks a bomb and they work at 17.6 bar -42 degrees Celsius.

I hope you now understand what will be under your arse when you are driving around with a H2 fuel tank.........

Hydrogen is the future. A true zero emissions tech, especially if the sun is used to generate it.

But, and I know this will trigger Juliar, it's an emerging tech that's been held down time and time again by established energy and it has some massive technological hurdles to overcome, and safety is one of them.

It's not a reason not to try, but Juliar, at least for once don't be so afraid of reality.

juliar wrote on Jul 13^th, 2020 at 8:58pm:


I'm convinced you don't read anything anymore do you... You just see who posted and copy/paste your trolling remarks...

As usual, I was agreeing with you and you're still being a dick head.

Well done.

For a section of the forum that is dealing with Technology, you don't actually want to talk about the technology, you just want t platform to post what you like, make statements about it based on your opinion and then end the discussion.

Go start a wordpress blog, this is not the right platform for you princess.

The inevitable Socialist mockers and knockers are out and about. Contribute nothing understand nothing just mock and knock and attack the poster they hate.

But ignoring the Socialist hate and back to the topic of the Glorious hydrogen energy revolution that the world is embracing.
Hydrogen is like the rebirth of oil.

Of course the electric Fan Boys and Girls are incensed that they have been conned into buying dead end dud electric inconveniences that will plummet in value assuming the lithium ion battery does not explode first.

The efficiency of hydrogen as a storage for surplus renewable energy is vastly better than the silly little tiny batteries that last for only a few minutes and waste 90% of the energy available as the capacity of hydrogen is limited only by the size of the storage tanks.



Hydrogen to become gamechanger as large-scale source of cleaner power, reveals GlobalData
By Joanna Sampson on Jul 06, 2020



Hydrogen is likely to play a crucial role in clean energy transition in sectors such as transportation, buildings and power generation.

Interest in the use of hydrogen technology is increasing in a range of niche transport market segments, besides other applications.

In the short to medium term, hydrogen technology could be used to replace compressed natural gas (CNG) in some areas with minor changes to the existing infrastructure, says data and analytics company GlobalData.

GlobalData’s latest report, Thematic Research: Hydrogen, highlights that countries worldwide are striving to accelerate the development and use of hydrogen technology to tackle environmental concerns and enhance energy security.



“Currently, in the power industry, hydrogen accounts for less than 0.2% of electricity generation, mainly within the steel sector, petrochemical plants and refineries.”



“When it comes to long-term and large-scale energy storage, hydrogen – in the form of compressed gas, ammonia (NH3) or synthetic methane – has a role to play in balancing seasonal variations in electricity supply and demand from renewable energy sources.”



https://www.h2-view.com/story/hydrogen-to-become-gamechanger-as-large-scale-sour...

Genius. Human inventiveness.